Let's talk about receiver acquisition

[Verdict]

I think we should see what we have this year, and then decide.
If a rare WR come along in the draft, I’m not opposed completely to taking him. Not my general preference to take one top 10 though...just never day never

Yeah. It's not a bad idea to draft a receiver high and for himto turnout to be a top 5 guy, but to pay to keep him? Probably not often a good idea.

 

[DFWJC]

Yeah. It's not a bad idea to draft a receiver high and for himto turnout to be a top 5 guy, but to pay to keep him? Probably not often a good idea.

Always a luxury to have stars at every position, but the more multiple WRs get into the rotation the more one single WRs contribution can get diluted

And few older ones retain full value

 

[GenoT]

Zeke every day all day. We made the right pick.

Agreed.

I expect Zeke to really turn it up a notch this season. He’s gotta be hungry and he’s gonna get fed.

 

[Verdict]

Always a luxury to have stars at every position, but the more multiple WRs get into the rotation the more one single WRs contribution can get diluted

And few older ones retain full value

That's right. Who has more impact 1 of 1 or 1 of 4? I'll take the guy who may get 30 touches in a game.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Antonio Brown was a 6th round pick. 5 of the top 10 RBs last year were 1st rounders. Only 3 of the top 10 WRs were 1st rounders.

A function of the position. There are 32 starting rbs. There are at least 64 starting wrs. And more realistically with teams going 3 wide most downs there are something like 96 starting wide receivers. The threshold for being "top 10" is much more difficult at the wr position.

1 of 3 starting rbs will be "top 10." Roughly 1 of 10 starting wrs will be "top 10."

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Morris was averaging nearly what Zeke was averaging before he was suspended and when he returned LOL

The only difference is, Morris wasn't getting as many carries as Zeke consistently. Morris had 547 yards on 115 carries and a 4.8 yard average. This isn't a significant drop off.

Now take most teams #1 CB and replace it with their #2, how much of a drop off is there? A top flight CB is simply more valuable to a team. Making an opposing QBs job harder is the ultimate goal in today's league.

This isn't 1995.

People pretend Morris was horrible otherwise their arguments breaks down.

 

[Number1]

"Receivers seem to be found anywhere in the draft."

So do QBs.

By NFL numbers, Hurns as a starting WR ... , was reasonably priced at $6M a year. That's Zeke's annual pay as a #4 pick on his rookie contract..

When NFL teams see a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round WR they believe is as good as their starter, they draft them. It's like NBA teams drafting shooting guards, it's the dollars. Besides, when you need points, you don't call the SLB. And points matter most..

But there are a bunch of human beings WR size, so it is harder to find a truly exceptional one, that don't mean you stop drafting them, or developing them. Yeah, high draft picks are better spent on big guys in my little opinion, because there are few of them. But the dollars ...

Gallup for example, as a R3 pick he's cheaper than vets starters like Hurns or (late round pick) and Williams (2nd round pick). And looks to be better than both.

BTW, it just stuns me how Gallup was not gone before R3. He's one of the few players you'll ever see who can actually play all 3 WR spots and dominate at any. After the 2017 debacle I went looking for speed WR in the draft. With the ball in his hands Gallup's as fast any of them, and arguably has the best hands of the bunch. Not much of a run blocker, I hope competing with Williams will fix that. But any way I cut it, he was a top 5 WR in this draft, and a great fit for this system.

If you were shopping for a guy who could separate any point in the route tree, with great hands, and finishing speed ... you'd have a hard time finding better. His 4 year $3.5M contract is dirt cheap vs what equal vet talent would cost.

 

[T-RO]

This is antiquated logic that NFL teams don’t even follow anymore. Look at the last draft: 3 RBs were taken in the first and only 2 WRs, which is crazy considering teams only need one RB and multiple WRs.

It was a horrible crop of WR entering draft this year...only 1 or 2 had first round grades...and low 1st round grades at that. There’s been a lot of talk in scouting circles about how hard it is to find elite college receivers to draft in recent years.

 

[charron]

If the eagles taught us 1 thing is worrying about the cap is largely over rated. If we wanted to free up15-20 million we could pretty much anytime. So yea if we culd bring in AB or julio jones there should be no hesitation.

 

[OmerV]

A function of the position. There are 32 starting rbs. There are at least 64 starting wrs. And more realistically with teams going 3 wide most downs there are something like 96 starting wide receivers. The threshold for being "top 10" is much more difficult at the wr position.

1 of 3 starting rbs will be "top 10." Roughly 1 of 10 starting wrs will be "top 10."

This is all true, but it doesn’t change the fact that top RBs often require top draft pick, or that you can find top receivers outside of the first round. Nor does it change the fact that carrying 6 players at a position rather than 3 increases the odds of finding the mid round diamonds in the rough.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

If the eagles taught us 1 thing is worrying about the cap is largely over rated. If we wanted to free up15-20 million we could pretty much anytime. So yea if we culd bring in AB or julio jones there should be no hesitation.

We been there and done that and know from experience that it is not overrated. Now that we are out of cap hell, I rather stay out.

 

[Toro9]

It is about eleventy billion times better (all numbers approximate) to pay a top 5 WR than it is to pay a top 5 RB.

I'd rather be paying Antonio Brown 4 years $68MM than Todd Gurley 4 years $60MM and it isn't remotely close.

And per usual you have it wrong. It's much easier to draft a mid round RB and find elite production year in and year out than it is to draft a mid round WR and find elite production year in and year out.

How do you get the basics wrong so frequently?

Wow. #DoucheMode

 

[Alexander]

I keep hearing it is a "passing league" over and over and yet these WRs have yet to get their team to a title. Jones is about as close as they come.

The game is about economics as much as simple talent.

It was a simpler time years ago.

Remember when Emmitt Smith was tearing up the league and there was this perception that rushing leaders never won Super Bowls?

 

[AtlCPA]

I would probably take Todd Gurley.

I would definitely take Gurley over AB.

 

[Alexander]

This is all true, but it doesn’t change the fact that top RBs often require top draft pick, or that you can find top receivers outside of the first round.

This is a trend that is contingent on the talent coming out and how the college game fares.

It has started in recent years with Elliott and Fournette. This year, Barkley.

 

[Beaker42]

Would rather pay a #1 RB. Even with the injury risk. Receivers by and large are a dime a dozen

The ONLY team that gets away with that line of thinking is the Pats, and I hate them for that. Bunch of ****** nobodies at WR and they just move the ball. No other team can do that. With our line, a mid-round RB could do well. ALWAYS take stud WR.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It is about eleventy billion times better (all numbers approximate) to pay a top 5 WR than it is to pay a top 5 RB.

I'd rather be paying Antonio Brown 4 years $68MM than Todd Gurley 4 years $60MM and it isn't remotely close.

And per usual you have it wrong. It's much easier to draft a mid round RB and find elite production year in and year out than it is to draft a mid round WR and find elite production year in and year out.

How do you get the basics wrong so frequently?

28 and under sure.

 

[Sydla]

Elite wide receiver 6 to 8 touches.
Elite running back 22 to 27 touches.
If I'm paying top-dollar I want my money to worth.
I'll go running back with 22 to 27 touches to impact the game.

There’s a large flaw in your logic where you think a TB will always be getting 22 to 27 touches.

Evidence suggests no position, on average, sees a bigger drop in effectiveness over time than running back.

 

[Sydla]

Yeah. It's not a bad idea to draft a receiver high and for himto turnout to be a top 5 guy, but to pay to keep him? Probably not often a good idea.

Neither is paying a TB big money on his second deal.

 

[Verdict]

Neither is paying a TB big money on his second deal.

You can control a RB for 7 full years without a new contract, if he was drafted in the first round. That's a majority of his shelf life and probably his best years. What's wrong with that?