The Case Against an Earl Thomas Trade

[erod]

It's just more hyperbole and grasping at straws to support his "Earl at all costs" campaign.

I can respect opinions on both sides of the argument, as long as they're supported by some actual facts.

When a team scores one touchdown in three weeks, you don't exactly have to open up the playbook to beat them.

And when your QB throws 6 pick-sixes, you don't even need to play offense.

 

[OmerV]

It's just more hyperbole and grasping at straws to support his "Earl at all costs" campaign.

I can respect opinions on both sides of the argument, as long as they're supported by some actual facts.

I can as well, and truthfully I would like to have ET too, but certainly not at all cost. Reality has to play a part in the discussion

 

[Stash]

chances are they won't all I said if they did would there be a locker room issue? I doubt it players do not throw hissy over contracts because sooner or later they likely will be in the same boat.

Then my point stands. Things won't get any better if they force the guy to come in and play. It will be a front from both sides that things are OK when they're obviously not. And I'd expect the player to do anything and everything he could to protect himself for that new contract from his new team.

 

[Corso]

I can as well, and truthfully I would like to have ET too, but certainly not at all cost. Reality has to play a part in the discussion

No more than a 3rd and maybe an expendable, but talented player and a contract no more than 11 per for 4 years with an option on the 3rd.

 

[Stash]

When a team scores one touchdown in three weeks, you don't exactly have to open up the playbook to beat them.

And when your QB throws 6 pick-sixes, you don't even need to play offense.

Cam Newton vs Dak Prescott since he's been in the league. I'll even let you make the first statement.

Go!

(Hope you don't miss your flight)

 

[OmerV]

When a team scores one touchdown in three weeks, you don't exactly have to open up the playbook to beat them.

And when your QB throws 6 pick-sixes, you don't even need to play offense.

What does this have to do with your claim that our deep middle has been getting obliterated for years?

 

[Stash]

I can as well, and truthfully I would like to have ET too, but certainly not at all cost. Reality has to play a part in the discussion

Exactly. There have to be limits. And thankfully that's what we've seen thus far. No more Roy Williams/Joey Galloway crap deals that ruin us for years.

 

[Corso]

Cam Newton vs Dak Prescott since he's been in the league. I'll even let you make the first statement.

Go!

(Hope you don't miss your flight)

Lol... The man is trying to board a plane! Let him put his luggage in the upper thingy and find a seat!

Task-master...

 

[Doomsday101]

Exactly. There have to be limits. And thankfully that's what we've seen thus far. No more Roy Williams/Joey Galloway crap deals that ruin us for years.

Nor would I but Roy Williams Dallas gave up a 1st and a 3rd and Galloway cost us 2 1st rd picks.

 

[Stash]

Nor would I but Roy Williams Dallas gave up a 1st and a 3rd and Galloway cost us 2 1st rd picks.

And then proceeded to pay both players huge money contracts and never see the expected results. While the franchise went down the crapper and they never won anything.

The draft pick might be a round or two later, but the principle is the same. I'm not overpaying, and thus far, the Cowboys aren't either. And I applaud them for learning from past mistakes.

 

[Doomsday101]

And then proceeded to pay both players huge money contracts and never see the expected results. While the franchise went down the crapper and they never won anything.

The draft pick might be a round or two later, but the principle is the same. I'm not overpaying, and thus far, the Cowboys aren't either. And I applaud them for learning from past mistakes.

Roy Williams never lived up to the pay did he? which is why I would not have an issue with a deal with incentives that would allow Thomas the chance to be paid as a top player.

 

[J12B]

Dallas gave up 6 plays of 40 plus same as seahawks and 43 plays of 20 yards and Seahawks 44. Difference in my view was they pulled in 19 ints vs Dallas 10

Jeff Heath had 3 interceptions last year and forced a season saving fumble in week 15.

ET had 2 interceptions in 2017.

 

[Stash]

Roy Williams never lived up to the pay did he? which is why I would not have an issue with a deal with incentives that would allow Thomas the chance to be paid as a top player.

In Dallas? No. But he was a Pro Bowler before he was traded to Dallas.

 

[Doomsday101]

Jeff Heath had 3 interceptions last year and forced a season saving fumble in week 15.

ET had 2 interceptions in 2017.

and? QB tend not to challenge Thomas just as they tended not to challenge Ed Reed. I have nothing against Heath and it could be that Dallas will have to rely on him and woods, if that is the case then they need to step up but you want to sell them as equal to the talent of Thomas you can sale it to someone else. I know the differance

 

[J12B]

and? QB tend not to challenge Thomas just as they tended not to challenge Ed Reed. I have nothing against Heath and it could be that Dallas will have to rely on him and woods, if that is the case then they need to step up but you want to sell them as equal to the talent of Thomas you can sale it to someone else. I know the differance

So Heath was challenged more and gave up the same amount of plays down the field the Seahwks gave up.

This just proves that Safety is not a weakness for this team and Heath can make plays.

 

[Doomsday101]

In Dallas? No. But he was a Pro Bowler before he was traded to Dallas.

Williams was having struggles in Det before coming to Dallas his production was way down. Not many were happy with it. Galloway played good but given we were at the end of our SB runs those #1's hurt because it gave us little to rebuild and Galloway alone was not going to change the Cowboys situation. Here we have a team who has parts in place and more than ample cap space, a deal for Thomas would not change that.

 

[Stash]

Williams was having struggles in Det before coming to Dallas his production was way down. Not many were happy with it. Galloway played good but given we were at the end of our SB runs those #1's hurt because it gave us little to rebuild and Galloway alone was not going to change the Cowboys situation. Here we have a team who has parts in place and more than ample cap space, a deal for Thomas would not change that.

For the most part, I agree with you. But, just as it was careless, stupid, costly and ultimately unrewarding to give up that draft compensation and pay the player huge money on top of it, I think it would be the same to give up significant compensation for Thomas and then have to pay him $13 million a year on top of it. We would never see the return on investment, just like they never did with Williams or Galloway.

That is my point.

If Thomas truly wants out and wants that extension and he wants to play in Dallas, h needs to make some concessions too.

 

[Doomsday101]

So Heath was challenged more and gave up the same amount of plays down the field the Seahwks gave up.

This just proves that Safety is not a weakness for this team and Heath can make plays.

It is not a strength either, I don't want to just get by, getting by has gotten us beat by top QB, Where the hell were the safeties when Rodgers killed us on a 3rd and 25 picking up 30 on the play? Our safeties have a tendency to freeze on big plays late in game when you need guys to step up. I get it you don't want Thomas after all you started the tread myself I would love to have him I know he is a lot better than anyone we have at the spot

 

[Doomsday101]

For the most part, I agree with you. But, just as it was careless, stupid, costly and ultimately unrewarding to give up that draft compensation and pay the player huge money on top of it, I think it would be the same to give up significant compensation for Thomas and then have to pay him $13 million a year on top of it. We would never see the return on investment, just like they never did with Williams or Galloway.

That is my point.

and that is where we disagree. I have no issue paying top players the money if they earned it. Thomas play is reason I would not mind paying him his worth. As for Seahawks we agree I would not be giving up a 1st or multi picks to get him.

 

[Corso]

So... I won right?
I'm the big winner?

Yeah! I'm a big winner!!!