Just another reason I'm glad we drafted Zeke

[kskboys]

I get that I'm saying something negative about the Cowboys so it'll be picked apart by the passes. But if you want to pick it apart. Make solid arguments, not make believe falacys.

OK. An elite RB has more effect on a team in general than a CB. And both last around the same number of years. CB might have RB beat by a year or so, maybe.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

You just declared that there were no arguments!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I havent been given one, so was I wrong in saying so?

 

[erod]

YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO ******* CLUE WHAT RAMSEY WOULD HAVE DONE FOR US IN 2016.

NONE OF YALL DO. STOP BRINGING THAT STRAWMAN **** IN HERE.

COME BACK AT ME WITH FACTS OR NOT AT ALL. HAVING ONE OF THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE WOULD HAVE HELPED THE TEAM TREMENDOUSLY IN 2016. RODGERS WOULD HAVE ONLY HAD ONE SIDE OF THE FIELD IN PLAYOFFS.

You dont understand football, and thats okay. Just dont come at me with bull**** while im spitting facts if you dont want to get embarrassed.

Here's the problem with that.

Ramsey wouldn't have made that big of an impact here in 2016 because corners are so limited and dependent on other parts of the defense. Jacksonville has two incredible corners, an elite safety, a terrific pass rush, and good linebackers. That was hardly the case here.

The Dallas Cowboys are built right now around its offensive line. They have to have an elite back to make elite runs behind it. Not just okay runs like McFadden or Morris. It has to be special, or the offense just can't move consistently. You need a RB that eliminates the need to march down the field perfectly without penalties or mistakes. One run, boom.

If you have a Rodgers or Brady, you can piece-meal the running game. But here, it has to be dominant, or you're just pissing in the wind.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Then no team would ever make a pick for immediate impact on the upcoming season? Long term is what it's all about? C'mon, get real, teams picking in the top 10 are picking for need and immediate help because those GM's and HC's are not thinking long term unless that involves a moving van.

You think teams in the top 10 only pick for immedaite impact...? What in the world CC?

So Baker Mayfield who was the 1st overall pick, and they said will not see the field his 1st seaos was..... picked for immediate impact. You're better than that dude.

Most teams picking in the top 10 dont have a chance at a ring.

And you NEVER pick for need, especially in the top 10.

 

[cern]

zeke is zeke. ramsey is ramsey. trash talking's just a part of the sports culture. the players shouldn't let it bother them. neither should the fans.

 

[erod]

He is.

Peterson has always been a bit overrated. He's always been good but not great. He's got this name recognition thingie that keeps people thinking he's better than he is.

Best CB's in the league include Ramsey along w/ Heyward, Rhodes, Gilmore, Lattimore, and Peters. No particular order.

Shermouth is coming off a major achilles injury which is why I didn't rate him in this group. And SF has no pass rush, so I'm not convinced Shermouth will be top 10 even if he does come back close to what he was.

The best two corners might very well be Bouye and Ramsey. And they're on the same team.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

OK. An elite RB has more effect on a team in general than a CB.

Says who? Not NFL GMs.

Defense wins championships

 

[kskboys]

And I havent been given one, so was I wrong in saying so?

Absolutely!!!!!!!

Nah, I thought it was cute!!!!!! Whenever someone says something of that nature, it's simply never true. And I'm just pickin' at ya to have fun anyway!!!

 

[kskboys]

The best two corners might very well be Bouye and Ramsey. And they're on the same team.

Ooohh, forgot about Bouye. Yup, and Bouye!!!

 

[jazzcat22]

Just because teams got away from drafting RB's high. Fans now think they are wasted picks.
But Dallas drafts a RB high, now other teams are doing it again also.

I bet all the high pick / Zeke haters thought Barkley was a great pick for the NYG.

It is a copy cat leagues, and Dallas set the tone to start RB's high again, and some fans don't like it.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

The best two corners might very well be Bouye and Ramsey. And they're on the same team.

I thought Bouye was a flash in the pan his Houston stand out year.

Boy was I wrong.

 

[kskboys]

Says who? Not NFL GMs.

Defense wins championships

Of course. However, championship D's are built from the inside out, and the most important pieces are DT/MLB/S. Since we refuse to address two of those, CB's won't do us all that good. It's not an accident that Carr and TNew performed very well after leaving here.

 

[Swanny]

I've heard reports that if the front office didn't select Ezekiel Elliot with the 4th overall pick in 2016, Jalen Ramsey would have been the pick.

Ramsey has quickly become the type of player I despise- arrogant, cocky, and just an all around loud mouth. He rips other players on a regular basis and just seems like he will eventually turn into a toxic player in the locker room, if he hasn't already become one.

I don't care how good Ramsey becomes. No player is worth those kinds of constant distractions.

So glad we went with Zeke.

I still would rather have Ramsey strictly because I would never draft a RB that high. But I feel like there is absolutely nothing we can complain about with Zeke. He is really really good.

 

[jazzcat22]

Says who? Not NFL GMs.

Defense wins championships

Still can't win unless the offense scores points. Unless you are the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. But even Dilfer got some points for them.

 

[kskboys]

Just because teams got away from drafting RB's high. Fans now think they are wasted picks.
But Dallas drafts a RB high, now other teams are doing it again also.

I bet all the high pick / Zeke haters thought Barkley was a great pick for the NYG.

It is a copy cat leagues, and Dallas set the tone to start RB's high again, and some fans don't like it.

Barkley to the Gnats scares the bejeezers out of me.

The "RB's are worthless" spiel has been completely disproven and dismantled, but some are desperately clinging to it.

 

[cern]

Yup. And if they overpay him, they'll start going downhill.

And that's not just because he's a CB, it's because when you start overpaying individual players on D, you have to let go the strength that made your D good/dominant to begin w/.

Look at SEA. Earl is 29 and isn't what he once was. SEA couldn't wait to dump Shermouth. And that's at the ripe old age of 30.

It's hilarious how so many harp on RB's not lasting, but then promote the other position that doesn't last!!!

d-backs are very prone to injuries. you can never have enough good ones on your team. as for rb's, consider landry coaxed a lot of years out of dorsett by simply limiting the number of carries he received in a game. we seem to be showing some restraint in this regard concerning zeke.

 

[blueblood70]

look im not sorry we didnt draft this guy at the time when we had a choice..JR needs to chill the F out , he playing on an aggressive defense with a dline causing havoc making QBs throw early and off... he wouldn't be as big an impact here as Zeke was game 1 we won 13 games and went to the playoffs with no defense..1 and done because of it but JR is good hardly Elite, yet..hes no dion or even have his own Revis Island yet..those guys earned having big mouths, JR is simply talking smack since college, it is who he is and while we could use corner like this , id rather have 21..

Ill say he very good corner playing on great defense, yet they only won 10 games in that division, being heralded as here comes the Jags , im not buying into his elite status yet..great yes elite eh..still putting that on hold..

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Of course. However, championship D's are built from the inside out, and the most important pieces are DT/MLB/S. Since we refuse to address two of those, CB's won't do us all that good. It's not an accident that Carr and TNew performed very well after leaving here.

One of the reasons I wasn't in favor of that pick. He would have been wasted here.

 

[Sydla]

Zeke's issues off the field was related to an unproven "incident" several years ago. Before he was even drafted. All evidence revealed pointed to his innocence.

Wasn't Zeke's fault the Goodell went after him.

False. Zeke has done other stupid and immature things off the field that could have resulted in injury to himself, or suspension.

He's done more to warrant the immature label than just get caught up in that DV situation.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Not mentioned yet is the other option- move up just 2 spots and take Wentz.

Regardless, I believe using a rare, very high pick on a RB is a misallocation of resources.
Zeke is a great player though, I have to admit. A game changer.

So the Giants shouldn't have taken Saquon?