Root of the Rico argument

[Ranching]

so if rico doesn't learn the playbook its the coaches fault....not the player? there is no accountability on the player? so coaches need to baby sit each player...you don't think they have watched film, explained things to him and walked him through and showed him...the question is did he retain it!!! by your account coaches are responsible to turn any athlete to a football player...regardless...that's essentially what you said....

That's what we get paid for

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

actually given ur preferences, i am surprised u do not like rico. low-investment high-risk player with potential. that seems ideal for a team who is not a superbowl favorite

I do like rico...I never said I didn't. I am just not in love with him like a lot of Rico Fan club folks are... and I don't use him as a reason to bash garrett.....thus I try to be objective.

does he have potential? yes
is he ready? NO
can he learn? maybe, that's up to him as well....the notion that coaches have something against him or don't like him, is plain stupiid. the coaches want to succeed, so if this guy is talented, unique and can dominate, why wouldn't they want him? it makes no sense...people are making it as if garrett has something personal against him........

 

[waldoputty]

I am not as familiar with silicon valley, which like I said, its more about startups and newer technology...I am in DC area and was in NY before, and having knowledge and experience counted for a lot, given we worked with Finance companies (wall street) and government.

that would explain the difference in opinion.

 

[Ranching]

Garrett fans can’t even admit he makes time management mistakes. Well, from a high level they do followed by a blanket statement like all coaches make mistakes yet they seem to argue against every specific scenario that someone claims was a mistake.

So I am just curious, what are some of the time management mistakes you feel Garrett has made?

He has stayed too long. Lol

 

[Aviano90]

garrett makes mistakes....but to want him fired and he sucks and a highschool coach is better than him is a joke and quite stupid statement onto itself....garett haters need to grow up a bit....then they will be taken more seriously

Well, I am curious what mistakes you, as a non-Garrett hater, think he has made, since you are grown up and we can take you seriously.

 

[Ranching]

garrett makes mistakes....but to want him fired and he sucks and a highschool coach is better than him is a joke and quite stupid statement onto itself....garett haters need to grow up a bit....then they will be taken more seriously

We were just spoiled with Landry and Johnson. Don't like the mediocrity. The head coach takes the blame, part of the job. Believe me, he knows it. His skin is a lot thicker than his backers'.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

this is based on many years of stats for drafting multi-year starters
1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)
2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)
3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)
4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)
5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)
6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)
7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)

I wonder if there is stats on what level of players they were or became....Montana was a 3rd round pick. brady was a 6th round pick, witten was a 3rd round pick. how many went on to be HOFers? it would be interesting.

I think in the draft, in the top 10, you want to get an impact player with HOF potential. the rest is to make sure you get a solid starter. you find success if you hit on the lower rounds. so even based on these stats, if everyone is pretty equal on the 1st rounder and even 2nd rounders, those who can find the diamond in the rough in lower rounds will probably be more successful...like hitting on a kareem hunt or Alvin Kamara....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Well, I am curious what mistakes you, as a non-Garrett hater, think he has made, since you are grown up and we can take you seriously.

there were a few game strategy mistakes, time management mistakes. I thought it was a mistake to sit the starters against Philly 2 years ago, they should have played at least a half, if not that then at least a quarter.

but I can list other coaches even those with superbowl rings that made the same mistakes....like dan Quinn or pete carroll

yeah I know, the comeback is at least they went to the superbowl and or at least they won it...

 

[waldoputty]

I do like rico...I never said I didn't. I am just not in love with him like a lot of Rico Fan club folks are... and I don't use him as a reason to bash garrett.....thus I try to be objective.

does he have potential? yes
is he ready? NO
can he learn? maybe, that's up to him as well....the notion that coaches have something against him or don't like him, is plain stupiid. the coaches want to succeed, so if this guy is talented, unique and can dominate, why wouldn't they want him? it makes no sense...people are making it as if garrett has something personal against him........

timeline

summer 2017 - team talked very positively about uncle rico including witten
2017 season - rico was not removed from ir even though it would seem he should have recovered by the middle of the season. note that rico cannot practice with the team on ir.
after 2017 season - negative reports of rico. also rico made statements that implied he should have been taken off ir. rico may have 'liked' a negative garrett tweet
summer 2018 - negative statements about rico.
last 7 days - stephen said rico improved but yet he gets almost no snaps in the 1st half. other tightends do not play well.

it makes no sense for the team to pump him up in 2017 as possible heir but then kill him a year later. you dont forget how to play after a few months.

furthermore, rico clearly is a good pass catcher and much more talented in that than the other candidates, but yet the focus is on blocking. yet we all know there are many tightends that are very successful that do not block.

why not play rico where he is useful instead of forcing him to play like witten.

 

[waldoputty]

there were a few game strategy mistakes, time management mistakes. I thought it was a mistake to sit the starters against Philly 2 years ago, they should have played at least a half, if not that then at least a quarter.

but I can list other coaches even those with superbowl rings that made the same mistakes....like dan Quinn or pete carroll

yeah I know, the comeback is at least they went to the superbowl and or at least they won it...

he made a similar timekeeping mistakes 2 years later - that is inexcusable for 2 playoff games against the packers
the coach i really like is the rams coach with amazing game management skills and apparently great offensive mind.
the problem with garrett is that he neither gives us the great offensive mind nor the great defensive mind.
the head coach job should be used to solve one or the other.
instead we get a personnel guy who is also bad at game management.

 

[waldoputty]

I wonder if there is stats on what level of players they were or became....Montana was a 3rd round pick. brady was a 6th round pick, witten was a 3rd round pick. how many went on to be HOFers? it would be interesting.

I think in the draft, in the top 10, you want to get an impact player with HOF potential. the rest is to make sure you get a solid starter. you find success if you hit on the lower rounds. so even based on these stats, if everyone is pretty equal on the 1st rounder and even 2nd rounders, those who can find the diamond in the rough in lower rounds will probably be more successful...like hitting on a kareem hunt or Alvin Kamara....

no, only multi-year starters.
that is why jaylon and gregory made sense.

 

[Aviano90]

there were a few game strategy mistakes, time management mistakes. I thought it was a mistake to sit the starters against Philly 2 years ago, they should have played at least a half, if not that then at least a quarter.

but I can list other coaches even those with superbowl rings that made the same mistakes....like dan Quinn or pete carroll

yeah I know, the comeback is at least they went to the superbowl and or at least they won it...

So risk injury in a meaningless game? The haters would have had a field day if Zeke pulled a hammy.

 

[GenoT]

D@mn, people...Rico either makes the team on merit or he doesn’t.

Nothing anyone can post is gonna change anything.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

lol, other than Amen Dola, name the last player we cut who balled out. As long as it's NIOBY Waldo. NIOBY? Not in our back yard. Rico will make it.

Matt Moore was decent. Mitchell the corner played decent in KC. Newman is still playing. Ware won a Superbowl. Walden win a Superbowl. Murray played decent in Tennessee

 

[Maxmadden]

this is based on many years of stats for drafting multi-year starters
1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)
2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)
3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)
4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)
5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)
6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)
7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)

So by your own admission, Rico is a long shot? I don't think anybody on this board dislikes Rico and it is obvious he has talent. But it is his third year in the league and he is still 4th on the depth chart. He is not going to miraculously turn into a sensation at this point. It's not the coaches holding him back.

When he goes somewhere else he will have a new playbook to learn and he will still require development. Jerry's angst about keeping him on the 53 and losing a player that could actually contribute at some point was not a glowing endorsement.

 

[waldoputty]

So by your own admission, Rico is a long shot? I don't think anybody on this board dislikes Rico and it is obvious he has talent. But it is his third year in the league and he is still 4th on the depth chart. He is not going to miraculously turn into a sensation at this point. It's not the coaches holding him back.

When he goes somewhere else he will have a new playbook to learn and he will still require development. Jerry's angst about keeping him on the 53 and losing a player that could actually contribute at some point was not a glowing endorsement.

anyone outside 3rd round is a long shot.
he was held back when left on the ir last year because he could not practice.
it is hard to believe they would let him play (and played well) last preseason and then dog him this preseason.
nobody forgets how to play after a few months.
sounds like an agenda to me.

 

[Maxmadden]

anyone outside 3rd round is a long shot.
he was held back when left on the ir last year because he could not practice.
it is hard to believe they would let him play (and played well) last preseason and then dog him this preseason.
nobody forgets how to play after a few months.
sounds like an agenda to me.

Not seeing an agenda.

They put him on IR last year so no one else could claim him. It gave him a year to learn, train and watch film while working on his weakness. They are giving him every chance

They know he has talent. He is just not progressing fast enough. There is no agenda.(except here)

 

[LocimusPrime]

Wouldn't Will McClay and Stephen Jones want Rico to play (if he was good) so they would look like smart football talent evaluators. Smart GMs

Wouldn't Garrett want him to "ball out" to win more games and show how he's a great coach.

Wouldn't the TEs coach want Rico to start so he could be viewed as the one who developed a raw talent into a pro-bowler?

Wouldn't Dak say..."yo coaches we need that guy, he can help us win"

Wouldn't no nonsense Kris Rashard say " guys Rico is a tough cover. You guys need to use him"

 

[Jumbo075]

anyone outside 3rd round is a long shot.
he was held back when left on the ir last year because he could not practice.
it is hard to believe they would let him play (and played well) last preseason and then dog him this preseason.
nobody forgets how to play after a few months.
sounds like an agenda to me.

This is just dumb. If they had an agenda, it costs them nothing to just cut him and move on. Your argument fails the logic test.

 

[waldoputty]

This is just dumb. If they had an agenda, it costs them nothing to just cut him and move on. Your argument fails the logic test.

this is not the first time disgruntled players claim there is an inside crowd and players looking on the outside.
dez said it.
may be it is sour grapes.
or may be not.
there is a report that rico liked a negative garrett tweet.
i would not put it beyond garrett to **** a player that speaks out against him.