Let's think about this before we go firing Garrett

[JustChip]

Not only that...but Payton has almost always had pretty potent offenses in New Orleans. Drew Brees is far more prolific than Prescott. Their lack of defense has let them down more than anything. They are in a place not unlike where the Cowboys were in the middle years under Romo...potent offense, lackluster defense. Once you give the QB the money you better have your pieces in place because you will have less to spend on maintaining talent going forward...something the Cowboys will soon be faced with if they fork over the money to Prescott.

Ahhh, but isn't Peyton the HC and responsible for the defense, too? Believe me, I'm not making a case Peyton should be fired - just the folly of concretely basing anything on the first game of the year. Period.

 

[Big_D]

Ahhh, but isn't Peyton the HC and responsible for the defense, too? Believe me, I'm not making a case Peyton should be fired - just the folly of concretely basing anything on the first game of the year. Period.

They still scored 40 points. A hard fought division game. Again very different from the mess that took place in Carolina.

 

[JustChip]

I’m not sure Jerry wants to win another Super Bowl unless it’s his way recieving the credit he didnt with Jimmy.

No truer words were ever spoken.

IIRC, Jerry was quoted lamenting letting Parcells have as much autonomy as he did because it wasn't fun for him. People incorrectly accuse Jerry of putting making money above winning. That's not true, but he does put his personal recognition above it.

 

[cowboy_ron]

If Garrett was fired we'd lose absolutely nothing.

 

[Batman1980]

Garrett, Linehan and Marinelli.

 

[JustChip]

They still scored 40 points. A hard fought division game. Again very different from the mess that took place in Carolina.

No doubt. But their defense gave up 48 points and 500+ yards of offense AT HOME to middle to lower tier QB. A very different mess than what took place on the defensive side in Carolina against a QB perceived to be much better (certainly higher draft pedigree and having led a team to a SB appearance).

 

[waving monkey]

First game of the season LOL

 

[Stash]

One game is not a season! I've been on record that if the team is not competitive and doesn't reach the playoffs this year a change would be in order, absent some very extenuating circumstances, and maybe not even then. And, frankly, if Sunday is the norm for this year and they are something like 2-6 at the 1/2 way point, I'm on board with a Wade type change. There's simply no justification to do it after 1 freaking game. Unless, of course, one wanted Garrett fired before that game so it just fits one's particular narrative.

No. I agree on that. And let's face it, it's not happening anyway.

 

[Future]

No, they did not look as offensively inept as they did last year. They looked as offensively inept as they did PART of last year. They were offensively inept in 6 games and above average in 10. The Carolina game is just one game - it is completely reasonable to see how the next few games go before making any decision.

They scored fewer than 21 points in 6 of their last 9 games and fewer than 10 in 4 of them. They looked, in game 1, exactly like they did in all of those games so, no, they don't get the benefit of the doubt and a few games against crappy teams doesn't prove anything. It's naive to think that they're going to show us anything new over the next month, when they haven't since 2016.

 

[mardwin]

And 5 of those were home games!

I know you are only addressing new coaches, but I'm going to bring up the CZ's favorite son - Sean Peyton. They laid a total egg at home against a 5-11 TB team and made a journeyman QB look like Tom Brady.

Here's the bottom line - the Cowboys were pitiful. But they lost on the road against a top 10, maybe top 5, defense in the opening game. Let's see how the next few games go before burning the Star to the ground.

Many of us are not just looking at the first game of the season to pass judgment on Garrett, he has been here for over a decade and his performance hasn't been up to par. He was a mediocre OC who got his play-calling duties taken away and provides little value as a HC because he's terrible at X's and O's. And don't let me start on his game clock management skills...

 

[MrPhil]

Is that headset even connected to anything?

 

[iceberg]

.... we go firing JG. A new broom does not necessarily sweep clean. Still a new broom is a new broom

The NFL is a cruel business that can stomp out a blooming bud before it has a chance to flower.

The cold fact was no more evident than in Week 1, as each team aiming for a fresh start with a new coaching staff stumbled.

Teams with new head coaches went 0-7 in Week 1, the worst recorded by a group of new head coaches in NFL history, per NFL Research. The previous worst was on 0-6 Week 1 in 2001.

Of the seven, four of those losses were by 10-plus points, including both Monday night tilts.

Let's run down the sadness:

Steve Wilks, Arizona Cardinals, 24-6 loss to Washington: The Cardinalsgot run over by Adrian Peterson, and Sam Bradford looked terrible.

Matt Nagy, Chicago Bears, 24-23 loss to Green Bay: Nagy's offense dried up in the second half, and Aaron Rodgers returned from injury to do Aaron Rodgers things.

Matt Patricia, Detroit Lions, 48-17 loss to New York Jets: The Lions failed in all three phases, couldn't slow a rookie quarterback and watched its $100 million signal-caller throw picks like there was a 2-for-1 sale going.

Frank Reich, Indianapolis Colts, 34-23 loss to Cincinnati: Andrew Luck looked good. The QB didn't get enough help though, and a Jack Doyle fumble-touchdown destroyed a comeback attempt.

Pat Shurmur, New York Giants, 20-15 loss to Jacksonville: Eli Manning threw a pick-six that ended up the difference.

Jon Gruden, Oakland Raiders, 33-13 loss to Los Angeles Rams: The Raiders took a 13-10 halftime lead on a smart offensive game plan. Then they did nothing in the second half.

Mike Vrabel, Tennessee Titans, 27-20 loss to Miami: In a game remembered most notably for its series of delays, the Titans not only lost Vrabel's first game, but it also saw Delanie Walker, Taylor Lewan and Marcus Mariota get injured. Woof.

garrett - infinite amount of experience and still the same record as all those above this year.

 

[kramskoi]

Ahhh, but isn't Peyton the HC and responsible for the defense, too? Believe me, I'm not making a case Peyton should be fired - just the folly of concretely basing anything on the first game of the year. Period.

Of course...BUT Payton will be given FAR more leash than Garrett, having won a Superbowl in 2009. Long in the tooth for that championship but people in New Orleans still believe in him and as long as he has Brees he is likely to survive. Payton has shown that he can get it done. Garrett has not. Makes all the difference in the world. Garrett is on his ninth year (12th including his coordinator duties) and has precious little to show for his efforts. The Cowboys haven't even been to a title game since 1995. A terribly long stretch of postseason mediocrity. He has consistently done less with more over his entire tenure. The shine is coming off Marinelli as well.

I just won't to be clear. I'm not suggesting that we should blow everything up at this early point, but the season comes down to the next three games imo. Any worse than 2-2 and it seems likely that given the o-line issues, this team might not even get to .500 this year.

 

[kskboys]

No truer words were ever spoken.

IIRC, Jerry was quoted lamenting letting Parcells have as much autonomy as he did because it wasn't fun for him. People incorrectly accuse Jerry of putting making money above winning. That's not true, but he does put his personal recognition above it.

Yeah, the money thing is debatable.

 

[foofighters]

.... we go firing JG. A new broom does not necessarily sweep clean. Still a new broom is a new broom

The NFL is a cruel business that can stomp out a blooming bud before it has a chance to flower.

The cold fact was no more evident than in Week 1, as each team aiming for a fresh start with a new coaching staff stumbled.

Teams with new head coaches went 0-7 in Week 1, the worst recorded by a group of new head coaches in NFL history, per NFL Research. The previous worst was on 0-6 Week 1 in 2001.

Of the seven, four of those losses were by 10-plus points, including both Monday night tilts.

Let's run down the sadness:

Steve Wilks, Arizona Cardinals, 24-6 loss to Washington: The Cardinalsgot run over by Adrian Peterson, and Sam Bradford looked terrible.

Matt Nagy, Chicago Bears, 24-23 loss to Green Bay: Nagy's offense dried up in the second half, and Aaron Rodgers returned from injury to do Aaron Rodgers things.

Matt Patricia, Detroit Lions, 48-17 loss to New York Jets: The Lions failed in all three phases, couldn't slow a rookie quarterback and watched its $100 million signal-caller throw picks like there was a 2-for-1 sale going.

Frank Reich, Indianapolis Colts, 34-23 loss to Cincinnati: Andrew Luck looked good. The QB didn't get enough help though, and a Jack Doyle fumble-touchdown destroyed a comeback attempt.

Pat Shurmur, New York Giants, 20-15 loss to Jacksonville: Eli Manning threw a pick-six that ended up the difference.

Jon Gruden, Oakland Raiders, 33-13 loss to Los Angeles Rams: The Raiders took a 13-10 halftime lead on a smart offensive game plan. Then they did nothing in the second half.

Mike Vrabel, Tennessee Titans, 27-20 loss to Miami: In a game remembered most notably for its series of delays, the Titans not only lost Vrabel's first game, but it also saw Delanie Walker, Taylor Lewan and Marcus Mariota get injured. Woof.

Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for different results-- Einstein...

 

[Sydla]

.... we go firing JG. A new broom does not necessarily sweep clean. Still a new broom is a new broom

The NFL is a cruel business that can stomp out a blooming bud before it has a chance to flower.

The cold fact was no more evident than in Week 1, as each team aiming for a fresh start with a new coaching staff stumbled.

Teams with new head coaches went 0-7 in Week 1, the worst recorded by a group of new head coaches in NFL history, per NFL Research. The previous worst was on 0-6 Week 1 in 2001.

Of the seven, four of those losses were by 10-plus points, including both Monday night tilts.

Let's run down the sadness:

Steve Wilks, Arizona Cardinals, 24-6 loss to Washington: The Cardinalsgot run over by Adrian Peterson, and Sam Bradford looked terrible.

Matt Nagy, Chicago Bears, 24-23 loss to Green Bay: Nagy's offense dried up in the second half, and Aaron Rodgers returned from injury to do Aaron Rodgers things.

Matt Patricia, Detroit Lions, 48-17 loss to New York Jets: The Lions failed in all three phases, couldn't slow a rookie quarterback and watched its $100 million signal-caller throw picks like there was a 2-for-1 sale going.

Frank Reich, Indianapolis Colts, 34-23 loss to Cincinnati: Andrew Luck looked good. The QB didn't get enough help though, and a Jack Doyle fumble-touchdown destroyed a comeback attempt.

Pat Shurmur, New York Giants, 20-15 loss to Jacksonville: Eli Manning threw a pick-six that ended up the difference.

Jon Gruden, Oakland Raiders, 33-13 loss to Los Angeles Rams: The Raiders took a 13-10 halftime lead on a smart offensive game plan. Then they did nothing in the second half.

Mike Vrabel, Tennessee Titans, 27-20 loss to Miami: In a game remembered most notably for its series of delays, the Titans not only lost Vrabel's first game, but it also saw Delanie Walker, Taylor Lewan and Marcus Mariota get injured. Woof.

This logic makes me gag.

Don't fire the coach who isn't getting it done because hey, you might hire another coach who won't get it done.

Oy vey.

 

[blueblood70]

And 5 of those were home games!

I know you are only addressing new coaches, but I'm going to bring up the CZ's favorite son - Sean Peyton. They laid a total egg at home against a 5-11 TB team and made a journeyman QB look like Tom Brady.

Here's the bottom line - the Cowboys were pitiful. But they lost on the road against a top 10, maybe top 5, defense in the opening game. Let's see how the next few games go before burning the Star to the ground.

no the first time Fitz has done this he has 3-4 of those a year but he comes back down to earth..

 

[Sydla]

Bull****.

It's 8 years.

8 years of a fraud head coach who should have never been gifted his job in the first place.

How many more seasons do you want to let "go by" before you realize this?

There will always be an excuse with these guys. Always some sort of "context" you are missing with regards to a game or a couple of games.

It will be never ending with these guys. They will always be able to find a way to suggest, it's not Garrett's fault or it's not time to throw in the towel. There isn't a shred of doubt in my mind, Garrett could go 3 more years without playoffs and some here would still figure out ways to justify him staying employed.

They had better win Sunday or this place is going to be on fire, and rightfully so.

 

[JustChip]

Of course...BUT Payton will be given FAR more leash than Garrett, having won a Superbowl in 2009. Long in the tooth for that championship but people in New Orleans still believe in him and as long as he has Brees he is likely to survive. Payton has shown that he can get it done. Garrett has not. Makes all the difference in the world. Garrett is on his ninth year (12th including his coordinator duties) and has precious little to show for his efforts. The Cowboys haven't even been to a title game since 1995. A terribly long stretch of postseason mediocrity. He has consistently done less with more over his entire tenure. The shine is coming off Marinelli as well.

I just won't to be clear. I'm not suggesting that we should blow everything up at this early point, but the season comes down to the next three games imo. Any worse than 2-2 and it seems likely that given the o-line issues, this team might not even get to .500 this year.

That's a fair assessment except I'm not so sure he's done less "with more".

 

[kramskoi]

That's a fair assessment except I'm not so sure he's done less "with more".

How many times (and not just recently) have we heard the word/phrases "simplistic", predictable" or "lack of creativity" associated with a Garrett/Linehan offense? Just this past week in fact...by none other than Aikman himself.

Garrett:
"The best offenses have a lot of things that they can get to," Garrett said. "Givens are what we call them, things they can call and they know they're going to have some success.

"We don't have enough of those right now. We just have to do a better job trying to create those as a coaching staff, and then we have to execute once the ball is snapped."

Yep...one pro-bowl level player retired and another was "sent off". Two HUGE "staples" of the offense over the last few years.