If Dak can't throw, how do you explain 2016?

[DFWJC]

You mean like this?...

"I mean, Tony did an amazing job of helping me out. I think that's what Tony realized is that, he couldn't necessarily control whether he was going to play or not. But what he can control is our relationship," Prescott said Wednesday on The Rich Eisen Show.

"And I think Tony did a great job, and I commend Tony and thank him so much for that -- of being another coach for me, of helping me out, of in the middle of the game, at practice, on the field [and] off the field, giving me advice. And as a guy who went through exactly what I went through -- taking over the position from an older veteran, and knowing what it's like to be the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys, and just helping me out."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...prescott-tony-romo-did-amazing-job-helping-me

There are many other quotes similar to that one.

I'm surprised anyone would even question this.
Between me and some of my friends, we saw the two out dining together several times during the season. I even would post it here....it was always uptown at steak place, but sometimes seafood.
Romo was an absolute class act and mentor for Dak.
He was extremely frustrated to not get chance to win his job back, but he never blamed Dak or quit helping him. When they wouldn't let him compete the next year for the job, he hung it up.

 

[SultanOfSix]

When they wouldn't let him compete the next year for the job, he hung it up.

And that's why this organization is currently trash. The organization and the coaching staff has talked about meritocracy but when it comes time to implement it, it becomes a collective state of selective amnesia.

 

[khiladi]

LOL. Never fails. Do everything you can to knock one and pump up the other. Can we go subtracting Zekes multiple TD games and 1 yard TD runs to make his performance look less impressive too?

Same thing happens to other players like Romo and Dez, too.

What never fails is your attempts to pump up third string RBs and scrubs to actual talented backs and players because of an agenda. Now I’m sitting here addressing your claim Randle could supposedly be a first down back, because he was on pace to have a similar career to Zeke based on limited snaps as a backup. You can’t evsn use stats properly. Backups consistently in NFL history in limited action have more YPC than starters and have situational games where they may have an outlier in scoring. They also have huge stretches where they are scrubs. What makes a player elite is their ability to perform at a high even consistently, not as outliers.

He also averaged 6 YPC with Romo. Imagine that... So how does that make Romo look?

 

[khiladi]

I guess my point is this...it is apparent people can look at the Randle, Morris, and DMAC’s on the team with a critical eye and say “we needed to improve there” but for whatever reason can’t apply that same critical eye to the super star and want the same improvement.

Zeke is obviously more talented than those 3. Don’t you expect more from him? And if you don’t, why not?

Hint: Here is where the list of excuses goes and this list will be the reason why you don’t waste a #4 overall pick on a RB. Because when you eliminate those excuses, you don’t need a #4 overall type of RB.

He’s in YEAR 3 and he was on pace to have similar numbers last year to APs THIRD YEAR. You have no proper definition of what a generational or great back is..

I already said multiple tines expecting Zeke’s year 1 production consistently every year in this context, particularly to net that much yardage on first down, is not even sustainable for the elite backs in NFL history.

 

[Aviano90]

What never fails is your attempts to pump up third string RBs and scrubs to actual talented backs and players because of an agenda. Now I’m sitting here addressing your claim Randle could supposedly be a first down back, because he was on pace to have a similar career to Zeke based on limited snaps as a backup. You can’t evsn use stats properly. Backups consistently in NFL history in limited action have more YPC than starters and have situational games where they may have an outlier in scoring. They also have huge stretches where they are scrubs. What makes a player elite is their ability to perform at a high even consistently, not as outliers.

He also averaged 6 YPC with Romo. Imagine that... So how does that make Romo look?

I use stats consistently. You dont. You will diminish everyone else’s except your pet players while pumping up your pet player.

See, you look at Randle and wonder how you can make him look worse but don’t do the same for Zeke. If Randle put up Zekes numbers last year you would probably say something like “5 of his 7 touchdowns came in a 3 game stretch and most of his touchdowns came against bad rushing defenses”.

Dez can drop passes, Romo can screw up and you will bend over backwards to shield them from criticism. What you can’t do is simply admit they could have done better. Don’t worry, you aren’t the only one, but it is impossible for you to do. I look at all players and expect them to do better when they can.

Zeke needs to be better.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You remember how ineffective we look in 2015 in the running game? We couldn't get chunk plays or score on the ground. Right now, we are very strong at CB and as good as the CB in Jacksonville is, he still talks better than he plays. Zeke is a generational talent at RB. Ramsey could be too, but the jury is still out.

Theres no jury out on Ramsey. He is a total and complete stud.

Who says we are very strong at CB? Based on what exactly? Nonsense. Jones has been a bust, but appears to be better suited at corner. We don't really know. Like Awuzie, but what has he done. And then 3rd corner is an abomination. I would feel much better if Jones was our 3rd corner. THEN you could say we are very strong at Corner.

RB is a position that can be filled with lower picks. And RB is a position you fill at the end, not the beginning of a redo. IMHO.

 

[khiladi]

I use stats consistently. You dont. You will diminish everyone else’s except your pet players while pumping up your pet player.

See, you look at Randle and wonder how you can make him look worse but don’t do the same for Zeke. If Randle put up Zekes numbers last year you would probably say something like “5 of his 7 touchdowns came in a 3 game stretch and most of his touchdowns came against bad rushing defenses”.

Dez can drop passes, Romo can screw up and you will bend over backwards to shield them from criticism. What you can’t do is simply admit they could have done better. Don’t worry, you aren’t the only one, but it is impossible for you to do. I look at all players and expect them to do better when they can.

Zeke needs to be better.

No you use stats consistently wrong.. i look at Randle as a change of pace back that was decent in his role.. you on the other hand make third string players look like legends to tear down great talent for an agenda..

Randle has a two game stretch where he scored TDs, three of them from one yard out as a change of pace back.. congratulations.. He’s as good as Zeke apparently..

 

[Aviano90]

No you use stats consistently wrong.. i look at Randle as a change of pace back that was decent in his role..

And I look at Zekes as a decent back last year, which is what he was.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Well the thing is, Dak wasn't exactly getting killed out there, and he was missing some things he should've made. And yeah romo is gone now, but that is the standard we set here, since that is what we are used to. So if we've seen Romo with worse junk than what Dak had on Sunday and still make plays, we have a certain level of expectation. Also this is Dak's third year not second.

He missed plenty. But 6 sacks is no joke. The oline was horrid. The first 3 drives were basically killed because of Oline penalties. Oline was horrid in both the run game and pass. And Zeke was horrid as well. Missing a key block that killed a drive and being rusty. You talk about ONLY Dak while I talk about all the issues.

And Romo didn't even play until his 4th year in the league. And had Parcells as a head coach and Sean Peyton as a coordinator. Dak is the beginning of this 3rd year and he has Garrett and who?

And Romo never did diddly with Garrett as head coach either. Same BS, same problems. Comparing an in his prime Romo to Dak in his 3rd year is a joke. But by all means have at it.

 

[khiladi]

And I look at Zekes as a decent back last year, which is what he was.

No, your argument is trying to say he isn’t worth it, because generational guys like AP produced when they had played in similar situations, when you gave APs best year ever as an example and ignored all the other years he had similar numbers... generational backs don’t sustain 1600-2000 yard seasons over a long haul, every year..

Now your changing the argument to “oh it was just a decent season” as if anybody was arguing against that point...

 

[Cap12]

Theres no jury out on Ramsey. He is a total and complete stud.

Who says we are very strong at CB? Based on what exactly? Nonsense. Jones has been a bust, but appears to be better suited at corner. We don't really know. Like Awuzie, but what has he done. And then 3rd corner is an abomination. I would feel much better if Jones was our 3rd corner. THEN you could say we are very strong at Corner.

RB is a position that can be filled with lower picks. And RB is a position you fill at the end, not the beginning of a redo. IMHO.

Our CBs looked pretty darn good game one. I'd argue better than Jacksonville's. Ramsey's good but he can be punked too. He spends too much time runing his mouth and can't get past Brady and the Pats and was basically a non-factor in the game. We sucked on the ground in 2015 and Zeke basically carried this team in 2016 (something that Ramsey is not capable of doing based upon the position he plays). Zeke was the right pick.We take Ramsey we don't make the playoff in 2016.

 

[Aviano90]

No, your argument is trying to say he isn’t worth it, because guys like AP produced when they had played in similar situations, when you gave APs best year ever as an example and ignored all the other years he had similar numbers.l in similar situations..

Now your changing the argument to “oh it was just a decent season” as if anybody was arguing against that point...

Yes, he isn’t worth a 4th. What he provides isn’t that much greater than we could get with much less of an investment. Now you are catching on. He needs to produce head and shoulders above what we can get from another back and he doesn’t do that. Bad pick.

He is a good player but a luxury we didnt need.

 

[khiladi]

He missed plenty. But 6 sacks is no joke. The oline was horrid. The first 3 drives were basically killed because of Oline penalties. Oline was horrid in both the run game and pass. And Zeke was horrid as well. Missing a key block that killed a drive and being rusty. You talk about ONLY Dak while I talk about all the issues.

And Romo didn't even play until his 4th year in the league. And had Parcells as a head coach and Sean Peyton as a coordinator. Dak is the beginning of this 3rd year and he has Garrett and who?

And Romo never did diddly with Garrett as head coach either. Same BS, same problems. Comparing an in his prime Romo to Dak in his 3rd year is a joke. But by all means have at it.

Sean Payton was never OC here..

 

[khiladi]

Yes, he isn’t worth a 4th. What he provides isn’t that much greater than we could get with much less of an investment. Now you are catching on. He needs to produce head and shoulders above what we can get from another back and he doesn’t do that. Bad pick.

So then AP isn’t worth a seventh either and you just brought up a bunch of irrelevant examples to demonstrate a point a RB isn’t worth a fourth..

Yeah, I’m clearly catching on that you just keep flip-flopping the arguments..

 

[Cap12]

He missed plenty. But 6 sacks is no joke. The oline was horrid. The first 3 drives were basically killed because of Oline penalties. Oline was horrid in both the run game and pass. And Zeke was horrid as well. Missing a key block that killed a drive and being rusty. You talk about ONLY Dak while I talk about all the issues.

And Romo didn't even play until his 4th year in the league. And had Parcells as a head coach and Sean Peyton as a coordinator. Dak is the beginning of this 3rd year and he has Garrett and who?

And Romo never did diddly with Garrett as head coach either. Same BS, same problems. Comparing an in his prime Romo to Dak in his 3rd year is a joke. But by all means have at it.

Dak's responsible for at least half of those sacks because he either brought the ball down when he had open receivers and held the ball too long or decided to take off and ran away from his blocks, right into defenders. Watch the All-22 and see if Dak passes the "eye test". Spoiler alert: He doesn't. I'll concede that penalities helped kills some drives, but Dak had plenty of chances and he simply blew it. IMHO The line clearly outplayed Dak and it ain't all that close.

 

[Aviano90]

So then AP isn’t worth a seventh either and you just brought up a bunch of irrelevant examples to demonstrate a point a RB isn’t worth a fourth..

Yeah, I’m clearly catching on that you just keep flip-flopping the arguments..

I am not flipping anything. He needs to be better. But when you suggest that often times you hear excuses like stacked boxes or the Qab sucks, but these same excuses will not be extended to Randle, DMC, or Morris. No, they just suck which required is to go get Zeke. And now when Zeke really isn’t performing all that great the excuse train comes rolling out.

Zeke needs to improve, do you agree or disagree with that statement?

And to answer your question, no RB is worth that high of a pick.

 

[khiladi]

I am not flipping anything. He needs to be better. But when you suggest that often times you hear excuses like stacked boxes or the Qab sucks, but these same excuses will not be extended to Randle, DMC, or Morris. No, they just suck which required is to go get Zeke. And now when Zeke really isn’t performing all that great the excuse train comes rolling out.

Zeke needs to improve, do you agree or disagree with that statement?

Because none of these guys could put the ball in the end zone and you are completely wrong, because most people actually praised the work guys like McFadden and Morris did in their BACKUP role.

It is you that’s comparing them as if Zeke, even in a season that was not his best, was similar to them and not AP, because AP had 2000 yards in his best season ever. Zeke’s numbers were ON PAR with AP third season and he got suspended six games where he couldn’t even practice with the team.

 

[Cap12]

I am not flipping anything. He needs to be better. But when you suggest that often times you hear excuses like stacked boxes or the Qab sucks, but these same excuses will not be extended to Randle, DMC, or Morris. No, they just suck which required is to go get Zeke. And now when Zeke really isn’t performing all that great the excuse train comes rolling out.

Zeke needs to improve, do you agree or disagree with that statement?

And to answer your question, no RB is worth that high of a pick.

Better than 4.6 yards per carry and a TD isn't too shabby. Stacked box or not. The QB failed to make them pay. You can't blame Zeke for only getting 15 carries, so I don't see why he has to make any excuses.

 

[Aviano90]

Because none of these guys could put the ball in the end zone and you are completely wrong, because most people actually praised the work guys like McFadden and Morris did in their BACKUP role.

It is you that’s comparing them as if Zeke, even in a season that was not his best, was similar to them and not AP, because AP had 2000 yards in his best season ever. Zeke’s numbers were ON PAR with AP third season and he got suspended six games where he couldn’t even practice with the team.

Does Zeke need to improve or not? Let’s see how many times you avoid this question.

 

[khiladi]

Does Zeke need to improve or not? Let’s see how many times you avoid this question.

That’s cute again, but that was never the contention. Why should I answer it?

Basically you are trying to change the subject now, while arguing endlessly for the past couple days that Zeke is basically equivalent to guys like DMac and Randle and not like AP...