Dak wasn't that good last night **merged**

[Denim Chicken]

You still aren't getting it. No one is "subtracting" his big pass play. But it's just one play over an entire game. And for the rest of the game, his passing stats were poor. To ignore that is just silly. He has to be much better and more effective over longer stretches of a game, not just on one big pass play.

In other words, he can't throw a bomb and then check out the rest of the game against really good opponents. That's the point.

How do you feel about his comparison to Bortles against a common defense?

While he was not great the rest of the game, he was instrumental in the 2nd TD drive. The offence scored of 50% of drives, albeit 2 were FGs. 1 drive was derailed by penalties that were not the QBs fault.

 

[kskboys]

Nothing to do with the defense? 6 sacks and a turnover had nothing to do with it? Holding them to 3 points until garbage time had nothing to do with it? It the Giants score the average 21 points, we lose this game.

Yeah, I didn't even think that was worth responding to. Our D shut them down. O was OK.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Oh and the 12 sacks in 2 games Wilson has suffered.

True, Dak has been good throwing the ball away.

 

[Sydla]

No, I do get it.

I’m just saying it’s a dumb way to look at things.

No disrespect meant to you. I just disagree with the point altogether.

But I understand the point.

How is it dumb to look at his passing effectiveness over a large portion of the game?

It's actually smart because you are looking deeper at his play than just staring at the end box score? It's more in depth looking at his passing in certain situations, over certain portions of the game, etc? It gives you a better picture of just how effective he was.

 

[Sydla]

How do you feel about his comparison to Bortles against a common defense?

While he was not great the rest of the game, he was instrumental in the 2nd TD drive. The offence scored of 50% of drives, albeit 2 were FGs. 1 drive was derailed by penalties that were not the QBs fault.

Bortles is an average QB. One game against NE doesn't change that. So Prescott was better than Bortles but not good enough for me to sit here and say Dak is back.

Plus different factors at play in those two games, wouldn't you agree? Giants were at home against Jax, first game of the year, etc.

 

[Sydla]

Can we add the pass plays that called back from a penalty?

If you want to. It wouldn't really change much. I went through the game log and it appears he had one 15 yard pass called back on a hold by Swaim (I thought there was another but I can't find it in the play by play).

So add that in, 15 for 24, 102 yards. Still not great.

He has to be better. Much better. Maybe part of the issue here is that my expectations for the overall team are different than some. If this team wants to make the playoffs and maybe make some noise in the playoffs, the QB play has to be better than what we saw against the Giants.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Plus different factors at play in those two games, wouldn't you agree? Giants were at home against Jax, first game of the year, etc.

Well, we know that we do not have a home field advantage, but I get your point--and Ryan was much better against a common Carolina team.

But I think the game flow and the defense we were against is being discounted here (and is my point with the Bortles comp). We scored on 4 of 8 drives, against a good defense, with on being a throw away because of penalties.

Dak has improved greatly from game 1 to game 2 and when we get a team we can run against I think things will really open up for him.

 

[Ranched]

No, saying his overall performance was “ok” not good but not bad. Encompasses both the bomb and the last 58 minutes. so Saying it was “ok” takes those 58 minutes into account, along with his best play of the game, which happened to be on the first drive.

It’s just dumb to evaluate a players game, but subtract their best play, that directly leads to a score, from that evaluation.

Nice Post!

 

[Ranched]

The bad thing about this is... Garrett and Jerry will think they have found the solution. Dak is a less than average QB. Aside from that one play.. he rarely throws deep.. that is concerning

True, and it isn't KELLEN MOORE! Look how good Dak was in his rookie season due to having Romo on the sidelines and Sanchez as his mentor. His play ethic has decreased immensely.
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[CalPolyTechnique]

I’m not the one subtracting any plays. You are. It’s an asinine argument. Against any player, to subtract their best play.

I agree with you as a general concept. I hate it when folks arbitrarily remove a play as if it didn't happen.

That said, in any data set you remove the outliers to get a better understanding of typical performance. In this case, the long TD pass was one pass attempt. What did the other 24 pass attempts tell us?

 

[G2]

If you want to. It wouldn't really change much. I went through the game log and it appears he had one 15 yard pass called back on a hold by Swaim (I thought there was another but I can't find it in the play by play).

So add that in, 15 for 24, 102 yards. Still not great.

He has to be better. Much better. Maybe part of the issue here is that my expectations for the overall team are different than some. If this team wants to make the playoffs and maybe make some noise in the playoffs, the QB play has to be better than what we saw against the Giants.

I agree he needs to improve, but taking out a huge play that gained the offense some momentum is unrealistic. Either the entire body of work or else it's cherry picking. We won the game. Even though Prescott isn't meeting some fans' statistical expectations he still helped us win the game.

 

[Jimbo69]

True, Dak has been good throwing the ball away.

Very good. Tell me how many times was dak sacked by the panthers? How did he play with his face in the turf?

 

[kskboys]

typical smart *** remark from you.. put your mod tag back on and pretend your opinion matters.

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[Sydla]

I agree he needs to improve, but taking out a huge play that gained the offense some momentum is unrealistic. Either the entire body of work or else it's cherry picking. We won the game. Even though Prescott isn't meeting some fans' statistical expectations he still helped us win the game.

The fact remains he hit one long pass and then for the rest of the game, over 95% of the game, he was actually pretty mediocre.

How is looking at his other 23 passes that game "cherry picking"? If anything, using one bomb play to overshadow the rest of his play that game would be the "cherry picking".

 

[Darkhound]

My guess is that we are stuck with Dak for 2 or 3 more seasons... what a waste of TIME IMO

 

[G2]

The fact remains he hit one long pass and then for the rest of the game, over 95% of the game, he was actually pretty mediocre.

How is looking at his other 23 passes that game "cherry picking"? If anything, using one bomb play to overshadow the rest of his play that game would be the "cherry picking".

Who cares if it's just one bomb? Holy christ, it was for a TD.
Leaving out any play conveniently, regardless of your reasoning is cherry picking. Using ALL of the plays is NOT cherry picking.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Zero evidence my butt. He's thrown 10 over the last 15 games (two consecutive to start this year). Not going to cut it with the big dog teams.

And over the last 15 games he didn't have Zeke 6 times. With no Zeke the defenses can pass rush most plays, and it's not like Dak has a proven 1,000 yard receiver available every game. He has limited opportunity for the long throws.

If all you care about is throwing for 300 yards a game, you need to become a Saints or such fan, they do that a lot.

The Cowboys are set up to be a running team, Dak will never be a 5,000 yard passer, any more than Aikman was, mainly because he doesn't have to if the running game and defense is working. I don't care if he only throws for 100 yards if they win...

 

[Sydla]

Who cares if it's just one bomb? Holy christ, it was for a TD.
Leaving out any play conveniently, regardless of your reasoning is cherry picking. Using ALL of the plays is NOT cherry picking.

It's not about "leaving out the play". It happened. It's in his total stats. But if one wants to dig deeper than what the final box score says, then lets look at stretches of his play in that game.

And from 13 minutes left in the first quarter until the end, his QB play was inconsistent for the rest of the game.

If one wants to critically analyze Prescott's play, that fact is pretty damn important. It's stunning that people want to essentially ignore his play over the VAST MAJORITY of the game simply because he connected on a bomb in the first minute of the game.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

It’s gonna be closer to 2,400 than 4,800. And less than 15 passing TD’s.

In his 2 prior years he threw for 3,667 and 3,324 yards, 23 and 22 tds. An average of 3,495 yards and 22.5 tds. He doesn't throw enough times to have the gaudy stats, don't understand why people think the only way to win is to chunk the ball 40 times a game...

 

[Wizarus]

And over the last 15 games he didn't have Zeke 6 times. With no Zeke the defenses can pass rush most plays, and it's not like Dak has a proven 1,000 yard receiver available every game. He has limited opportunity for the long throws.

If all you care about is throwing for 300 yards a game, you need to become a Saints or such fan, they do that a lot.

The Cowboys are set up to be a running team, Dak will never be a 5,000 yard passer, any more than Aikman was, mainly because he doesn't have to if the running game and defense is working. I don't care if he only throws for 100 yards if they win...

No defense in the NFL is good enough to consistently win when the offense has 100 passing yards. Unless Zeke is running over 200 every game, which is never going to happen, and it would be a quck end to Zeke's career if they tried.