Twitter: Baldinger: Receivers are running straight to defenders

CPanther95

Well-Known Member
Messages
4,681
Reaction score
6,898
Is it possible this is intentional?

We know Garrett coaches to not lose instead of coaching to win. Perhaps the receivers aren't trying to get separation from the defenders, it's possible their assignment is to cover the defenders to prevent interceptions.
 

Roadtrip635

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,021
Reaction score
26,955
Such BS. Romo was never average in this offense. His issue was taking too much risk. Dak's is taking almost no risks. We need Dak to take more risks. There are plenty of NFL open receivers at times. Dak needs to throw them open sometimes.
Check out he thread that @Mr Cowboy mentioned. People can forget what this offense was like at times and it's showing it's ugly head again. If you replace Romo's name with Dak, you will literally see the same comments. Not reading the field, holding the ball too long, not being able to throw deep etc, it's eerily similar. Dak isn't playing well and it's also disheartening to see the same problems with this offensive scheme keep popping up.
 

Captain-Crash

Well-Known Member
Messages
21,542
Reaction score
33,801
in 2 plus years the coaches forgot how to coach, the wr's forgot how to run routes and the offensive line can't block. Hum. sounds like a conspiracy against dak.
 

visionary

Well-Known Member
Messages
27,723
Reaction score
32,212
Or. How many WR's careers does Dak have to kill before you admit he's garbage?

Who picked him to be the QB?
Who made him starter?
Who watched him in practice everyday yet did not bring in any competition?
Whose been coaching him for 3 years?

Can't excuse the idiot HC no matter how blind you are
 

T-RO

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,832
Reaction score
16,350
Dare I say that Fitzpatrick is the poster child for limited QBs. Scheme sure seems to work in Tampa.

What are his limitations?

I don’t know a lot about the guy but you can’t fluke into what he’s done this year, throwing the ball all over the field. I just see him as a guy who hasn’t played on good teams...and hasn’t always been consistent.
 

T-RO

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,832
Reaction score
16,350
Who picked him to be the QB?
Who made him starter?
Who watched him in practice everyday yet did not bring in any competition?
Whose been coaching him for 3 years?

Can't excuse the idiot HC no matter how blind you are

They drafted a QB. Based on Dak’s first 24 games I think there was reason for confidence Dak could deliver. He just hasn’t.
 

jterrell

Penguinite
Messages
33,597
Reaction score
15,764
Or. How many WR's careers does Dak have to kill before you admit he's garbage?
He'd need a WR with a career first.
Dallas by design decided that Allen Hurns would be the lead dog this year.
A guy cut in Jacksonville.

They decided Swaim was a starting TE.

Dallas decided to load up on defense and play ughh ball on offense by design.
That's not all on the QB by any means.
 

JustChip

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,196
Reaction score
5,777
One play in our own territory with a long distance to go....you are going to get this type of route by many teams, not just ours.

As for plays showing guys open, just search for Okoye's breakdowns. You might not appreciate his analysis, but you do see multiple plays where guys are open and Dak isn't letting it go.

I haven't seen Okoye's stuff, but my own observation. There are definitely WRs getting open, but they're not getting the ball for different reasons at different times. Sometimes Dak truly doesn't have time and sometimes Dak is simply not seeing them.
 

John813

Well-Known Member
Messages
22,360
Reaction score
34,276
4 Curl routes. that's amazing. Think I've seen that playcall in Madden under the Dallas playbook.
 

Keithfansince5

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,534
Reaction score
5,644
And that's another fallacy which is proven by stats. By stats, Aikman was a riskier QB than Romo.
That is one interpretation of whatever stat you are suggesting proves this. Since you didn't cite said stat.

Aikman was a more accurate thrower than Romo. That was Aikman's strength. Romo was more like Danny White flinging it deep and all over the place. It is why Romo has more yards than Aikman by alot. Romo did force more throws into tight coverage than Aikman did. Romo was dang good at throwing picks to cost us games.
 

Roadtrip635

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,021
Reaction score
26,955
What are his limitations?

I don’t know a lot about the guy but you can’t fluke into what he’s done this year, throwing the ball all over the field. I just see him as a guy who hasn’t played on good teams...and hasn’t always been consistent.
Fitz is a good QB and is an excellent backup, he can win you games if he has the talent around him. He's not the type that can carry a below average team. He can be very inconsistent, make a beautiful pass one play, but then wildly miss on the next. I don't mean, throw into the dirt, but literally throwing straight to a defender, like that was his target all along. He's good with a clean pocket, but his inaccuracy starts to show with pressure. Monday is a good idea of who he is, he can throw you 3 TDs and/or 3 INTs, including a head scratching pick-6 in the same game. A little Jeykll and Hydeish.
 

JustChip

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,196
Reaction score
5,777
That is one interpretation of whatever stat you are suggesting proves this. Since you didn't cite said stat.

Aikman was a more accurate thrower than Romo. That was Aikman's strength. Romo was more like Danny White flinging it deep and all over the place. It is why Romo has more yards than Aikman by alot. Romo did force more throws into tight coverage than Aikman did. Romo was dang good at throwing picks to cost us games.

Uh, oh. Now you went and done it. You just had to go and poke the Romo wasp nest. :)
 

Keithfansince5

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,534
Reaction score
5,644
He'd need a WR with a career first.
Dallas by design decided that Allen Hurns would be the lead dog this year.
A guy cut in Jacksonville.

They decided Swaim was a starting TE.

Dallas decided to load up on defense and play ughh ball on offense by design.
That's not all on the QB by any means.
Hurns had a great 2015 with over 1,000 yards receiving and 10 tds. So apparently Bortles could get him the ball and Hurns did something with it. I wish we could have Drew Brees for just 1 game so that we would all see what a real QB looks like running this offense.
 

Keithfansince5

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,534
Reaction score
5,644
Fitz is a good QB and is an excellent backup, he can win you games if he has the talent around him. He's not the type that can carry a below average team. He can be very inconsistent, make a beautiful pass one play, but then wildly miss on the next. I don't mean, throw into the dirt, but literally throwing straight to a defender, like that was his target all along. He's good with a clean pocket, but his inaccuracy starts to show with pressure. Monday is a good idea of who he is, he can throw you 3 TDs and/or 3 INTs, including a head scratching pick-6 in the same game. A little Jeykll and Hydeish.
Someday Dak can achieve this. For now he has a long way to go. He is still figuring out the idea of throwing to a receiver beyond 8 yards. Imagine Dak throwing for 400 yards in a game? Let alone 3 in a row.....Nah.
 

aikemirv

Well-Known Member
Messages
16,224
Reaction score
9,723
That is one interpretation of whatever stat you are suggesting proves this. Since you didn't cite said stat.

Aikman was a more accurate thrower than Romo. That was Aikman's strength. Romo was more like Danny White flinging it deep and all over the place. It is why Romo has more yards than Aikman by alot. Romo did force more throws into tight coverage than Aikman did. Romo was dang good at throwing picks to cost us games.

Aikman 61.5% completion percentage - Romo 65.3%
Aikman 141 ints on 4715 attempts in 165 games - Romo 117 Ints on 4335 attempts in 156 games

Romo throwing picks to cost us games - that is a fallacy when compared to other top QB's - you just saw them because you watch Cowboys every week and that narrative was played up on the networks. Romo 24 4th QC and 29 GWD compared to Aikmans 15 and 20

Romo has the higest 4th qtr passer rating from 2004-2014 and top 10 in lowest % of ints thrown - try again!

 
Last edited:

Keithfansince5

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,534
Reaction score
5,644
Who picked him to be the QB?
Who made him starter?
Who watched him in practice everyday yet did not bring in any competition?
Whose been coaching him for 3 years?

Can't excuse the idiot HC no matter how blind you are
Well the survey says.....Jerry Jones.
 

T-RO

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,832
Reaction score
16,350
Fitz is a good QB and is an excellent backup, he can win you games if he has the talent around him. He's not the type that can carry a below average team. He can be very inconsistent, make a beautiful pass one play, but then wildly miss on the next. I don't mean, throw into the dirt, but literally throwing straight to a defender, like that was his target all along. He's good with a clean pocket, but his inaccuracy starts to show with pressure. Monday is a good idea of who he is, he can throw you 3 TDs and/or 3 INTs, including a head scratching pick-6 in the same game. A little Jeykll and Hydeish.

That’s different than ‘limited’. He’s had some crazy good games even on bad teams. I agree that watching from afar he seems to run hot/cold.
 

Roadtrip635

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,021
Reaction score
26,955
I haven't seen Okoye's stuff, but my own observation. There are definitely WRs getting open, but they're not getting the ball for different reasons at different times. Sometimes Dak truly doesn't have time and sometimes Dak is simply not seeing them.
That's the thing with this offense, it's always something. Dak misses a throw, Dak makes the throw, guy drops it, Dak misses a read, Dak makes the read but pass rush is on top of him, Dak makes the throw WR catches it, penalty. That was on Sunday alone, not even counting all the mistakes not on Dak. Stepping out of bounds, twice, Gregory foolishness, holding on big punt return. Dak hasn't been good and he certainly hasn't been good enough to overcome the amount of team induced errors like that.
 

Wizarus

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,018
Reaction score
989
in 2 plus years the coaches forgot how to coach, the wr's forgot how to run routes and the offensive line can't block. Hum. sounds like a conspiracy against dak.
No conspiracy, OL coach was fired, followed up with OC Romo getting fired.
 
Top