Dallas Cowboys Holding Dak Back

CowboyRoy said:
All you have to do is watch the games. Last game was the first game where Dak had reasonable time in the pocket. And miraculously, he played great.
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He played okay, but not great. Give most NFL caliber QBs time in the pocket and they will play okay also.
 
aria said:
Romo was a very good QB and made big mistakes that had nothing to do with coaching (ie fumbling the snap, the Washington game, I don’t think going to Cabo was a bright idea, there are many others). Dak is a 4th round QB and plays like it under pressure. Romo was undrafted and turned into a very good QB that didn’t regress under JG so what does that say about the coaching? Let me guess, it was all Romo, he coached himself, called his own plays and ran his own offense and he probably even performed surgery on himself.

I agree the coaching isn’t the best but as I’ve always said, this team has always been unbalanced on one side of the ball or the other. With the exception of a couple of players, my understanding is Jerry used to run the draft and lately it’s been McClay with Jerry still recently meddling in the 2nd round. The team is finally starting to look more balanced, not quite there yet though.

I mean seriously, do you think JG advocated having no true No 1 receiver or no TE? He was begging Witten to stay when most people here were begging Witten to retire. Yeah, it was about time for Witten to go, just as it was Romo and Dez but that doesn’t change the fact they did nothing to address glaring holes in our offense.
Until recently we had the best O line, Dez was in his prime and we had the leading rusher with Murray but we also had no pass rush, a shoddy secondary and questionable LB’ing depending on if Lee was hurt that week or not.

Point being, until the past few years and kind of this year as well, what you call overturning the roster is akin to shoveling a pile of manure over and over again IMO.
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Why would he regress under coaching with Garrett? Romo was already established as a good QB even before Garrett got here. Heck, the reason why Romo was good in the first place was because he was surrounded by talent - Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, Jason Witten, MBIII. He started out with good coaches - Sean Peyton and the Tuna.

Garrett rode the wave of Romo success, not the other way around.

But I agree with you about were just shuffling manure from the same pile.
 
Jarv said:
He played okay, but not great. Give most NFL caliber QBs time in the pocket and they will play okay also.
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Last year, Dak was 2nd in the league in passer rating from a clean pocket when he was pressured on less than 40% of his dropbacks in the game.

CLEAN POCKET ONLY, 2017
< 40% pressure games vs. (≥ 40% pressure games)
Smith 119.6 (94.5)
Prescott 119.0 (74.0)
Goff 114.9 (90.2)
Keenum 114.2 (102.3)
Brees 114.1 (--)
Wilson 109.4 (107.8)
Wentz 109.2 (113.5)
Stafford 107.3 (106.1)
Cousins 106.3 (113.4)
Rthlsbrgr 103.4 (104.6)
Brady 102.7 (117.7)
Ryan 100.3 (117.5)
Rivers 99.7 (106.1)
Carr 99.5 (117.5)
Winston 95.4 (120.4)
 
percyhoward said:
Last year, Dak was 2nd in the league in passer rating from a clean pocket when he was pressured on less than 40% of his dropbacks in the game.

CLEAN POCKET ONLY, 2017
< 40% pressure games vs. (≥ 40% pressure games)
Smith 119.6 (94.5)
Prescott 119.0 (74.0)
Goff 114.9 (90.2)
Keenum 114.2 (102.3)
Brees 114.1 (--)
Wilson 109.4 (107.8)
Wentz 109.2 (113.5)
Stafford 107.3 (106.1)
Cousins 106.3 (113.4)
Rthlsbrgr 103.4 (104.6)
Brady 102.7 (117.7)
Ryan 100.3 (117.5)
Rivers 99.7 (106.1)
Carr 99.5 (117.5)
Winston 95.4 (120.4)
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Just out of curiosity, how often do QBs have the 40% games. Maybe you don't know, I sure don't but it could really reflect on the sample size.

Another interesting stat is how QBs play when they are ahead or behind in a game. Here's Dak's in 2017, since you were using that year above.

I apologize for the formatting, seems like we block Photobucket images now?

http://www.nfl.com/player/dakprescott/2555260/situationalstats?season=2017


Point Situation Att Comp Pct Yds Avg Lng TD Int 1st 1st% 20+ Sck Rate
Ahead 153 99 64.7 1,189 7.8 81 10 3 60 39.2 14 8 102.0
Ahead by 1-8 Points 94 60 63.8 733 7.8 81 6 3 37 39.4 8 6 95.7
Ahead by 9-16 Points 49 32 65.3 342 7.0 35 2 0 18 36.7 5 2 99.2
Behind 190 122 64.2 1,134 6.0 50 4 9 54 28.4 8 17 67.7
Behind by 1-8 Points 98 63 64.3 587 6.0 50 3 4 27 27.6 5 6 73.8
Behind by 9-16 Points 38 27 71.1 239 6.3 38 0 1 12 31.6 1 3 76.5
Tied 147 87 59.2 1,001 6.8 54 8 1 48 32.7 12 7 95.1
 
Rockport said:
Why do you always have to hate on the team? Even after a win? Is it your method of anti-depressant?
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Who's "hating"? Why does it have to be either all "love or all "hate" with you?

Let me ask you this, are you entirely happy with everything you do with this team after that last win? Or are things different because they're your concerns and criticisms?
 
waving monkey said:
Until last Sunday against the Detroit Lions, Dak Prescott had failed to surpass 200 yards passing in a game this season. He also had a pair of sub-200-yard games to end last season. In the modern NFL, with the rules skewed to encourage passing, those numbers are certainly cause for concern. Over that five-game stretch, the Dallas Cowboys went 2-3. But the most damning statistic? Over that same span, the Cowboys averaged 11.8 points per game — dead last in the NFL and almost nine points below the league average.

The shine of Prescott’s sensational 2016 rookie season has protected him from the criticism that has been heaped on his underachieving offense. Head coach Jason Garrett and offensive coordinator Scott Linehan have been viewed as the problem. Fingers have been pointed at the O-line’s regression after some key losses. The departures of Dez Bryant and Jason Witten have prompted some to blame a lack of playmakers.

https://theundefeated.com/features/dallas-cowboys-holding-dak-prescott-back/
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It is a sad state of affairs when so much effort is made to defend the worst QB in Cowboys history.
 
stasheroo said:
Who's "hating"? Why does it have to be either all "love or all "hate" with you?

Let me ask you this, are you entirely happy with everything you do with this team after that last win? Or are things different because they're your concerns and criticisms?
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Of course I'm not but I don't dwell on the negatives like you do.
 
Rockport said:
That's really funny calling me a hater. Thanks for the laugh.
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He's CORRECT 100%!!!!!
You throw the Hate word every day around here just to get off the real issue of Dak's INEPT game.....Hate this Hate that...You are the official Hater guy here....

Go out with a girl or your wife have drink basically go enjoy LIFE without all the HATE mongering.....
 
Rockport said:
That's really funny calling me a hater. Thanks for the laugh.
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Who uses the word more than you do?

Nobody.

There's not another user on this site that throws the word around and brings that level of negativity around here like you do. Don't ever claim to be some glass half full optimist while you preach hate anywhere and everywhere you go.

I just had a terrific back and forth conversation with someone who had a very differing viewpoint. But I guess you weren't smart enough to notice that and instead saw it as yet another chance to attack someone for your own perceived "negativity". Your fault. Your flaw. Your shortcoming. Your issue.
 
PAPPYDOG said:
He's CORRECT 100%!!!!!
You throw the Hate word every day around here just to get off the real issue of Dak's INEPT game.....Hate this Hate that...You are the official Hater guy here....

Go out with a girl or your wife have drink basically go enjoy LIFE without all the HATE mongering.....
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Look, it's The Hater poster child.
 
conner01 said:
Dak is near the top of the league in time in the pocket and was before last week
It’s a myth that he’s been pressured much this year
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Does saying the opposite make you feel better?

Your going to believe whatever you want. If your going so say that Dak has had plenty of time, then no point in continuing the conversation.
 
Jarv said:
Yeah, like the game in Denver where he led the team to 48 points, but the D gave up 51...Tony sure blew that game...lol
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That’s one game, do you really want to take a walk down memory lane? What year do you want to start? Here’s a qoute I copied and pasted from 2008.

“In what became a de facto third playoff game for Romo shortly prior to its start, on December 28, Romo and the Cowboys failed to compete against the Philadelphia Eagles in a 44–6 loss.[31] Romo committed three turnovers in the game and went 21/39 for 183 yards and no touchdowns.[32] The loss dropped Romo's combined record in December to 5–8 and again raised questions about his performance in games of consequence.[2]”

Romo had nothing to do with those turnovers, did he? It was all coaching and they never gave him enough! We can say the same about Dak.
 
Roadtrip635 said:
This is beyond Dak. As far as about winning anything, look at the 4 QBs from last years Conference championships, Bortles, Keenum, Foles. The most common denominator for a winning team isn't the QB, it's the defense. To win, you have to have a good defense. Eli isn't a great QB, he's led the NFL in INTs many times, Cam's been to a Superbowl he's a running QB and not particularly, accurate, Manning was a shell of himself and benched during the season for Osweiller, Flacco and Kaep, the list is long for average QBs going to a Superbowl, but you have to have a good defense and you have to be able to assemble a better team, regardless of who the QB is.

Even if we had a different QB, looking at the rest of this team, it is not nearly as good as fans think it is. People keep talking about building a better offense, but this FO has struggled much longer to build a better defense. Even if we had an elite level QB, this team hasn't shown the ability to build a better team. Over the years, some of it has been lack of talent, but also a lack of coaching.
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I totally agree about needing a defense. Dallas isn't going to have a #1 defense anytime soon so the idea is that the lesser the defense the better you need your QB. I also believe that a strong leader who is good at the QB position can inspire the players around him. It can energize a defense and help coaches call plays and take chances blitzing defensively. The better the QB you don't need the beat RB or best oline
 
ConstantReboot said:
Why would he regress under coaching with Garrett? Romo was already established as a good QB even before Garrett got here. Heck, the reason why Romo was good in the first place was because he was surrounded by talent - Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, Jason Witten, MBIII. He started out with good coaches - Sean Peyton and the Tuna.

Garrett rode the wave of Romo success, not the other way around.

But I agree with you about were just shuffling manure from the same pile.
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I mentioned regressing because most JG haters blame Daks and other players regression on him. You’re absolutely right about the talent thatt surrounded him though which is another excuse people make for him “he was never given the right tools”. I’m obviously paraphrasing there but the argument is made all the time that his career was wasted, not just on coaching, but also due to the lack of talent around him. I guess a few HOF’ers, Cowboys all time leading receiver and leading rusher in the NFL weren’t good enough :rolleyes:
 
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