Developing NFL QBs takes great coaching

[Bobhaze]

Ok, I get it. Dak isn’t great. He has played poorly in almost every game this year. But he’s also not “trash” as too many fans on here think. I know this isn’t a popular opinion, but I hope you read this before trashing it, Lol.

IMO, in the last year and half, Dak has been very poorly served by one of the worst developmental coaching staffs in the NFL. When the team went 13-3 in 2016, and Dak threw for a passing yardage team record in his only playoff game, I think this team’s top brass thought Dak had arrived. Instead of treating him as a developmental project that needed special attention, they treated like a 10 year vet with skins on the wall. Really bad mistake.

When it comes to developing a young QB, good coaching matters a ton. Look at what Andy Reid has done with Patrick Mahomes. As a big Tech fan, I saw Mahomes play a lot in college, and although he has great athletic skills and arm strength, he was very raw coming out of college. Reid has maximized Mahomes’ talent. I’m not comparing Dak to PMs talent, but again, coaching is huge in developing a young QB.

Sean McVea took a young, discouraged Jared Goff and turned him completely around through coaching and making the offensive system fit his skills better. McVea’s philosophy is the polar opposite of the cripplingly conservative Garrett- he often says “We don’t fear failure when making decisions”. Unlike Mahomes, Goff doesn’t have the arm strength but McVea has taught Goff how to maximize his talent. Not saying Dak is Goff. But again, coaching matters a ton when developing a young QB.

Being a decent NFL QB requires so much more than raw talent. It requires a special ability to mentally process what to do at lightening speed, I don’t think most young QBs develop that without some really, really good coaching.

Linehan and Garrett are not only NOT good at mentoring young QBs, the offensive system they use is the NFL’s version of vanilla ice cream. It’s the most unimaginative scheme in the league now. Garrett’s system is based first on the tired moniker, “Fight”.

Maybe Dak will never be anything. But before he’s completely discarded at the very young QB age of25, I would like to see him have a chance with some really good offensive coaches.

Despite what too many seem to think, NFL QBs don’t grow on trees. Fans may hate Dak now but there’s not a QB garden to go pick the next Tom Brady. Even if we found a new young talent at QB- guess what- they have to be developed. If Jerry says he wants to stay with Dak, he better find some coaches that can develop him.

 

[Roadtrip635]

The only way the Garrett/Linehan offense will work is with a vet QB. If we had a young blue chip QB, he might play a little better than Dak, but would never reach their full potential under their coaching.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Linehan couldn't win with Mathew Stafford at QB. He has no chance with Dak. Jason was a struggling QB coach before we came out of nowhere and anointed him OC. We might have the 2 worst coaches in the league for a QB. ............and that doesn't mean Dak would be Tom Brady with another coach. Its just means that we have given ourselves very little chance to develop a QB.

 

[Bobhaze]

This GM and his “family FO” have to make a decision- if they want to stay with Dak, he needs a great developmental HC and OC. If JJ is committed to the worst Head Coach in the NFL, he better give up on Dak and try to sign a veteran QB that needs nothing.

You can’t succeed with both Dak and Garrett.

 

[Bobhaze]

Linehan couldn't win with Mathew Stafford at QB. He has no chance with Dak. Jason was a struggling QB coach before we came out of nowhere and anointed him OC. We might have the 2 worst coaches in the league for a QB. ............and that doesn't mean Dak would be Tom Brady with another coach. Its just means that we have given ourselves very little chance to develop a QB.

Absolute cold truth.

The reason Romo worked so well under Garrett’s “system” is he was like a coach on the field. And anyone who remembers Romo’s early development, he had the good fortune of having Bill Parcells and Sean Payton who taught him the importance of making quick decisions and getting the ball out quickly.

Imagine if ANY great young QB talent had been brought in here in 2016- imagine if we somehow had been able to draft Carson Wentz instead of Zeke. Would this coaching staff have been able to develop Wentz?

 

[Roadtrip635]

Linehan couldn't win with Mathew Stafford at QB. He has no chance with Dak. Jason was a struggling QB coach before we came out of nowhere and anointed him OC. We might have the 2 worst coaches in the league for a QB. ............and that doesn't mean Dak would be Tom Brady with another coach. Its just means that we have given ourselves very little chance to develop a QB.

Tom Brady would have been just another Stephen McGee with Garrett and Linehan to coach him.

 

[Bleu Star]

Ok, I get it. Dak isn’t great. He has played poorly in almost every game this year. But he’s also not “trash” as too many fans on here think. I know this isn’t a popular opinion, but I hope you read this before trashing it, Lol.

IMO, in the last year and half, Dak has been very poorly served by one of the worst developmental coaching staffs in the NFL. When the team went 13-3 in 2016, and Dak threw for a passing yardage team record in his only playoff game, I think this team’s top brass thought Dak had arrived. Instead of treating him as a developmental project that needed special attention, they treated like a 10 year vet with skins on the wall. Really bad mistake.

When it comes to developing a young QB, good coaching matters a ton. Look at what Andy Reid has done with Patrick Mahomes. As a big Tech fan, I saw Mahomes play a lot in college, and although he has great athletic skills and arm strength, he was very raw coming out of college. Reid has maximized Mahomes’ talent. I’m not comparing Dak to PMs talent, but again, coaching is huge in developing a young QB.

Sean McVea took a young, discouraged Jared Goff and turned him completely around through coaching and making the offensive system fit his skills better. McVea’s philosophy is the polar opposite of the cripplingly conservative Garrett- he often says “We don’t fear failure when making decisions”. Unlike Mahomes, Goff doesn’t have the arm strength but McVea has taught Goff how to maximize his talent. Not saying Dak is Goff. But again, coaching matters a ton when developing a young QB.

Being a decent NFL QB requires so much more than raw talent. It requires a special ability to mentally process what to do at lightening speed, I don’t think most young QBs develop that without some really, really good coaching.

Linehan and Garrett are not only NOT good at mentoring young QBs, the offensive system they use is the NFL’s version of vanilla ice cream. It’s the most unimaginative scheme in the league now. Garrett’s system is based first on the tired moniker, “Fight”.

Maybe Dak will never be anything. But before he’s completely discarded at the very young QB age of25, I would like to see him have a chance with some really good offensive coaches.

Despite what too many seem to think, NFL QBs don’t grow on trees. Fans may hate Dak now but there’s not a QB garden to go pick the next Tom Brady. Even if we found a new young talent at QB- guess what- they have to be developed. If Jerry says he wants to stay with Dak, he better find some coaches that can develop him.

Man.. You're on a roll. I appreciate your perspective. Please post more often.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Ok, I get it. Dak isn’t great. He has played poorly in almost every game this year. But he’s also not “trash” as too many fans on here think. I know this isn’t a popular opinion, but I hope you read this before trashing it, Lol.

IMO, in the last year and half, Dak has been very poorly served by one of the worst developmental coaching staffs in the NFL. When the team went 13-3 in 2016, and Dak threw for a passing yardage team record in his only playoff game, I think this team’s top brass thought Dak had arrived. Instead of treating him as a developmental project that needed special attention, they treated like a 10 year vet with skins on the wall. Really bad mistake.

When it comes to developing a young QB, good coaching matters a ton. Look at what Andy Reid has done with Patrick Mahomes. As a big Tech fan, I saw Mahomes play a lot in college, and although he has great athletic skills and arm strength, he was very raw coming out of college. Reid has maximized Mahomes’ talent. I’m not comparing Dak to PMs talent, but again, coaching is huge in developing a young QB.

Sean McVea took a young, discouraged Jared Goff and turned him completely around through coaching and making the offensive system fit his skills better. McVea’s philosophy is the polar opposite of the cripplingly conservative Garrett- he often says “We don’t fear failure when making decisions”. Unlike Mahomes, Goff doesn’t have the arm strength but McVea has taught Goff how to maximize his talent. Not saying Dak is Goff. But again, coaching matters a ton when developing a young QB.

Being a decent NFL QB requires so much more than raw talent. It requires a special ability to mentally process what to do at lightening speed, I don’t think most young QBs develop that without some really, really good coaching.

Linehan and Garrett are not only NOT good at mentoring young QBs, the offensive system they use is the NFL’s version of vanilla ice cream. It’s the most unimaginative scheme in the league now. Garrett’s system is based first on the tired moniker, “Fight”.

Maybe Dak will never be anything. But before he’s completely discarded at the very young QB age of25, I would like to see him have a chance with some really good offensive coaches.

Despite what too many seem to think, NFL QBs don’t grow on trees. Fans may hate Dak now but there’s not a QB garden to go pick the next Tom Brady. Even if we found a new young talent at QB- guess what- they have to be developed. If Jerry says he wants to stay with Dak, he better find some coaches that can develop him.

This is why I'd love to see Jim Harbaugh as next coach. He's young, energetic and a former NFL head coach with Super Bowl experience as head coach AND assistant coach. Not sure many here know or remember, he was Bill Callahan's QB coach when took the Raider to the Super Bowl. Since Callahan is on the last year of his Skins contract, guess who can be his offensive coor.

 

[John813]

We would need to hire that great coach, also tough to find, next year to see if he can work work some magic with Dak and at least get him back to those 2016 numbers.

 

[Bobhaze]

This is why I'd love to see Jim Harbaugh as next coach. He's young, energetic and a former NFL head coach with Super Bowl experience as head coach AND assistant coach. Not sure many here know or remember, he was Bill Callahan's QB coach when took the Raider to the Super Bowl. Since Callahan is on the last year of his Skins contract, guess who can be his offensive coor.

I can’t see Jerry hiring a guy like Harbaugh who would demand more control than Jerry likes to give up. Plus, Harbaugh’s offenses are 20th century models that require superior athletes at every position to win. Hard to do that in the NFL. Besides, Jerry doesn’t like to hire accomplished HCs- he’s intimidated by them.

I think there are some good young NFL asst coaches who might fit this bill. Like Shane Waldron, the passing game coordinator with rams. Or saints qb coach Joe Lombardi (grandson of Vince Lombardi)

 

[Batman1980]

We know, why I am one of those who believe the main reason Dak went from 2016 ROY to one of the worst starting QB's is this coaching staff.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

The only way the Garrett/Linehan offense will work is with a vet QB. If we had a young blue chip QB, he might play a little better than Dak, but would never reach their full potential under their coaching.

I think a veteran QB would be frustrated with this system. I truely believe that if you bring Flaco or Cousins, they wouldn't do much better under these bozos running our offense. The offense is outdated, and there is no proof that it works, it's never worked here in Dallas since Garrett became head coach.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Absolute cold truth.

The reason Romo worked so well under Garrett’s “system” is he was like a coach on the field. And anyone who remembers Romo’s early development, he had the good fortune of having Bill Parcells and Sean Payton who taught him the importance of making quick decisions and getting the ball out quickly.

Imagine if ANY great young QB talent had been brought in here in 2016- imagine if we somehow had been able to draft Carson Wentz instead of Zeke. Would this coaching staff have been able to develop Wentz?

Well, Romo also improvised a lot in the pocket. And he was constantly changing the play at the LOS. I think Garret owes his career and fortune he's made coaching the cowboys to Romo.

 

[glimmerman]

Nobody is gonna succeed in this Offense anymore. We have a HC that gave away 2 games this year himself. We would still be in the hunt. Actually we would be leading the division right now. Even with the sad Monday night loss.

The playcalling is terrible, the execution isn’t there. These players aren’t doing anything but getting a check this year. They are about done with this Offensive staff. Even the Defense has quit. Got 2 take aways at the beginning of that titans game and they watched this Offense squander it. They played like crap after that.

You have a QB coach that they just gave the job to. He was a 3rd stringer the year before.

Barring a miracle and a bunch of help this team is done for the year and it ticks me off. I waited all off season and we won’t even compete. All these changes and nothing. All these things ignored. No TE and no WR and you expect a QB to come out swinging. You don’t hand the ball off to your star RB. And JG let’s your O-Line coach go because he couldn’t make a decision on whether to keep him or not. YOU HAVE ONE OF THE BEST O-LINES IN THE LEAGUE AND YOU LET THE COACH GO!!! THEN TO MAKE IT EASY ON YOURSELF YOU SIMPLY HIRE THE COACH POLLACK IS REPLACING. WHY DO YOU THINK HE IS BEING REPLACED?

It’s obvious everybody is comfy from the players to the staff. We are the only ones frustrated. But I see it building up in JJ. Or he is faking it.

 

[JayFord]

No nfl system has success repeatedly unless you do the xs and os and create mismatches

When was the last time we saw beasley matched up on a linebacker? When was the last time we fooled someone

 

[glimmerman]

Well, Romo also improvised a lot in the pocket. And he was constantly changing the play at the LOS. I think Garret owes his career and fortune he's made coaching the cowboys to Romo.

Romo carried this Offense and the poor HC and OC. JJ gave his QB a O-Line.

 

[CowboyinMD]

This is so very true...

But, every QB has an upside, a ceiling. Some are described to have that "it" factor. The "it" factor isn't a mystery -- it's merely having an innate sense of awareness in or out of the pocket while under duress, and having a quick, accurate release before the pressure gets there.

We just don't have 32 of those guys out there in any given era. If you break down the QBs in 6 tiers (5 in each), then Dak IMO is probably in that 3rd one. Right in the middle of the pack. You can roll with that IF your OL, running game, and defense are stout. Otherwise...it'll be tough sledding.

Yes, I want better coaching. No doubt. But I also don't like what Dak is exuding at QB these days. Lack of pocket presence, lack of that internal time clock when it comes to making quick decisions, including when it's better to just take off and run and not take a sack, and lack of accuracy are sounding some serious alarms for me.

I want it all folks. Yes, get me a new coaching staff, but I gotta be honest, I also want one of those QBs coming out of the college ranks in 2020. I'm all for giving Dak a chance to play out his contract here through 2019. By then, we'll know what we have/don't have at QB. Believe me. IMO, and I hope I'm wrong, we'll all agree by the that Dak is not the answer. Some of us agree with that sentiment now...but I guarantee you...by the end of next season, especially if Dak is bestowed with a more competent OC and (hopefully) an improved OL in so that we cannot use either as an excuse for QB failures..we'll all agree that Dak isn't the long term answer.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Romo carried this Offense and the poor HC and OC. JJ gave his QB a O-Line.

Begrudgingly. Remember Jerry wanted Manziel not Zach Martin. They only drafted Freddie b/c Romo insisted on an upgrade over Costa at C.

 

[Big_D]

This seems to get lost in a lot of debates. You don't just draft Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady or Joe Montana or Troy Aikman and they're great from day. That's when coaching, scheme, development, preparation, practice, play calling, talent etc.... are all relevant to the success of those players.

 

[aikemirv]

I just want to know who all these developed QB's in the NFL are.....

Who are the developed ones who are starters. I mean I know most of the top guys came in as 1st or 2nd rounders, that were not developed necessarily but came in with NFL talent!

Brady? - that must be the one you are referring too!