NFL Pro Bowl:Which Cowboys deserve a nod, and who doesn't

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As of a few weeks ago

Whitworth, Bakhtiari, Armstead, Williams, Leno, Matthews were all graded higher

My apologies for upsetting you.

I should have said, he’s still hall of fame and elite. Just dropped a few notches down
you're fine, sorry if I came off rude.

He was rated elite after 4 games and then his stock took a hit after poor performance against was and Houston. His rank went from 2 to 20.

He's been elite the last two weeks and has jumped from 20 to #8. Him having two of his worst career games in the first 8 weeks gave people the notion that he's no longer Elite when in reality he's had seven Elite performances this year

If he finishes the season with three or four more dominating games along with a bunch of just good performances then he'll easily finish in the top five. Those two games brought his value down but he's easily on the upward trend
 

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2nd amongst edges in run stops, 1st in NFC

Well a run stuffing DE never gets paid nor does he make it to the pro bowl.

But you are right. Its what i see in him also and thats what makes him a good LDE. Plays the run very well.
 

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Well a run stuffing DE never gets paid nor does he make it to the pro bowl.

But you are right. Its what i see in him also and thats what makes him a good LDE. Plays the run very well.

It's not as if he isn't doing a good job rushing the QB too. He's on pace for 11.5 sacks - not elite, but still very good, and probably elite when compared against other Left DE's. Plus, there is the overlooked fact that he forces opponents to use an extra body to double team him constantly, which opens opportunities for others. Not all value can be measured statistically.
 

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Byron Jones
Zack Martin
Jaylon Smith
Leighton Vander Esch
Ezekiel Elliott
DeMarcus Lawrence

would get my votes.
 

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It's not as if he isn't doing a good job rushing the QB too. He's on pace for 11.5 sacks - not elite, but still very good, and probably elite when compared against other Left DE's. Plus, there is the overlooked fact that he forces opponents to use an extra body to double team him constantly, which opens opportunities for others. Not all value can be measured statistically.

I posted 6 DE in the nfc that have more sacks then he has.

He is a very good run stuffer but a medicore pass rusher. I wouldnt vote for him to get to the pro bowl.
 

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NFL Pro Bowl: Which Cowboys deserve a nod, who doesn't and why
ByPATRIK WALKER 20 hours ago
https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-co...d-in-NFL-pro-bowl-vote-124771284/#124771284_1

It's that time of the year again, when the NFL sets players up to either be praised or snubbed.

Pro Bowl voting for this season is now underway, and there's a long list of Dallas Cowboys' personnel present and accounted for, despite the team struggling with an overall record of 4-5 through their first nine games. While the roster as a whole hasn't consistently put the winning pieces together, a demerit more attributable to coaching than any purported lack of talent, there are still more than a few individuals who have been playing better than you'd suspect. Inside of that tally are those who take the field weekly with their hair on fire, continually attempting to lead the team out of the doldrums of mediocrity.
The Pro Bowl is a game few watch, a game that veteran players don't want to play in, an honor ruined by homerism, and, otherwise, an empty platitude. Who remembers ANY Pro Bowl game?
 

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I posted 6 DE in the nfc that have more sacks then he has.

He is a very good run stuffer but a medicore pass rusher. I wouldnt vote for him to get to the pro bowl.

My point is it's not just about sacks, and my bet is most or all of those DE's are RDE's, not LDE's. And some of them have other quality pass rushers to help take the pressure off and minimize double teams. In any case out of 32 NFC starting DE's, if only 6 have more sacks that means 25 have fewer, so I wouldn't call that mediocre. That's better than 78% of the NFC DE's. And, again, you have to factor in that he is being double teamed every passing down. What I would say is he is a very good pass rusher, but a little outside elite status.

And let's look at some of these being called better pass rushers based on this one season. Lawrence had 14.5 last year and is on pace for 11.5 this year. Before this season Donald never had more than 11. Hunter's high was 12.5. Iodonnis previous high was 4.5. Clark's high was 10. JPP hasn't had a double digit sack season since 2014 and has only had 2 in a 9 year career. Addison's previous high was 11 in 8 years. Bottom line is, while I agree at least some of these guys should get more Pro-Bowl consideration this season (not all of them because some just aren't in the ballpark of Lawrence as an all around DE), they have not historically been better.
 

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Martin. Smith, Jones...poss Dlaw..Zeke must have a great 2nd half ....Gurley,Kamura & Barkley are playing well atm
 

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Not Zeke with Gurley, Kamara, and Barkley in our conference

Yes to Martin and Byron

Dlaw shouldnt over Mack, Chandler Jones, Clark, Cameron Jordan, and Hunter

I am perplexed where people are getting this Barkley nonsense from? Zeke's numbers blow Barkley's away. Zeke is #2 in rushing yards behind only Gurley.
 

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My point is it's not just about sacks, and my bet is most or all of those DE's are RDE's, not LDE's. And some of them have other quality pass rushers to help take the pressure off and minimize double teams. In any case out of 32 NFC starting DE's, if only 6 have more sacks that means 25 have fewer, so I wouldn't call that mediocre. That's better than 78% of the NFC DE's. And, again, you have to factor in that he is being double teamed every passing down. What I would say is he is a very good pass rusher, but a little outside elite status.

And let's look at some of these being called better pass rushers based on this one season. Lawrence had 14.5 last year and is on pace for 11.5 this year. Before this season Donald never had more than 11. Hunter's high was 12.5. Iodonnis previous high was 4.5. Clark's high was 10. JPP hasn't had a double digit sack season since 2014 and has only had 2 in a 9 year career. Addison's previous high was 11 in 8 years. Bottom line is, while I agree at least some of these guys should get more Pro-Bowl consideration this season (not all of them because some just aren't in the ballpark of Lawrence as an all around DE), they have not historically been better.

I dont know where people get that thought from that he is double teamed most of the passing plays. In fact he is not.

Just look at the first 2 drives against philly:

1. Drive
1. Play pass blocked by a TE.
2. Play run blocked by a TE
3. Play pass blocked by the RT.

2. Drive
1. play pass blocked by RT.

Thats 3 of 3 pass plays. With 50% of the plays not even being blocked by the best blocking option.

Thats just an example to show just because some people talk about something someone else explained to them doesnt mean it is true.

I do think too Lawrence is an all around DE. Just no RDE. He is a good run player and a medicore pass rusher. And thats all there is needed to be a good LDE.

Your argument that players like JPP or Mack havent been historically been better is true only partly and could be very well said about Lawrence too: He including 2017 had 8 great games. But then faltered in the last 8 games of last season. He needed 3 years to get there and this year shows more of the Lawrence he was in those last 8 games then in his first 8.

Aaron Donald is a DT and plays in a different league.You cant compare him with someone like DLaw. Thats just unfair. Donald is by far the best defensive player in this league right now and for the last 2 seasons. If not the best player overall.

There are also only so many spots to give away for the pro bowl roster. And to be voted to one is not what your career was in 2017 or 16. Its what you do this season for this years pro bowl. And if you had to select players how would you justify not to take those others ? Just because they were worse the year before ? With that argumentation Lawrence shouldnt have gone to the PB last year too.

Dont misundertand me. Overall i think DLaw is good player. But this thread is not about him and his career. Its about who would i vote for the PB this year. And i think there right now are some players who are doing better then him.
 
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I am perplexed where people are getting this Barkley nonsense from? Zeke's numbers blow Barkley's away. Zeke is #2 in rushing yards behind only Gurley.

It's crazy you cant see it, Barkley has more yards and TDs than Zeke despite having a much worse Oline.
Zeke is behind Gurley, Connor, and Barkley in total yards.
So tell me again how Zekes numbers blow Barkleys away...? Appears to be made up.
 

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It's crazy you cant see it, Barkley has more yards and TDs than Zeke despite having a much worse Oline.
Zeke is behind Gurley, Connor, and Barkley in total yards.
So tell me again how Zekes numbers blow Barkleys away...? Appears to be made up.
Zeke #2 in rushing Barkley #8
Zeke has 836 rushing yards, Barkley 586.
Zeke averaging 4.9 per carry Barkley 4.5
Zeke 92.3 yards per game Barkley 65.1

So let me tell you once again Zeke blows his numbers away.
 

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I voted for:

Zack Martin
Ezekiel Elliott
Demarcus Lawrence
LVE
Jaylon Smith
Joe Looney
Byron Jones

And I voted for Jamize on special teams just to be an annoying homer.
 

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Tank is 18th in the NFL sacks.
I think he might be able to get to top 15

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NFL Pro Bowl: Which Cowboys deserve a nod, who doesn't and why
ByPATRIK WALKER 20 hours ago
https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-co...d-in-NFL-pro-bowl-vote-124771284/#124771284_1

It's that time of the year again, when the NFL sets players up to either be praised or snubbed.

Pro Bowl voting for this season is now underway, and there's a long list of Dallas Cowboys' personnel present and accounted for, despite the team struggling with an overall record of 4-5 through their first nine games. While the roster as a whole hasn't consistently put the winning pieces together, a demerit more attributable to coaching than any purported lack of talent, there are still more than a few individuals who have been playing better than you'd suspect. Inside of that tally are those who take the field weekly with their hair on fire, continually attempting to lead the team out of the doldrums of mediocrity.
The Pro Bowl is just so weird.

Sometimes its reactionary, sometimes hype, sometimes reputation only

I recall 2007 when Dallas had all those players make the team off a great start to tne season and overhype.
Only a handful deserved it, but I wasnt complaining b/c it was our guys


Hated it years later when folks would say with all those Pro Bowlers, how could any team not go all the way.
They were not that good...that’s why. Half were not true Pro Bowl level players
The Pats beat those guys by 3 TDs
 

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I am voting straight Cowboys. After LVE was left off the Ballot and the refs were trying to propel the Eagles to victory. Every member of this squad gets my vote.

And what about Cheerleaders? They should make every pro-bowl. Daisy Dukes and Cowboy boots are always a winner,

K
 

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Zeke #2 in rushing Barkley #8
Zeke has 836 rushing yards, Barkley 586.
Zeke averaging 4.9 per carry Barkley 4.5
Zeke 92.3 yards per game Barkley 65.1

So let me tell you once again Zeke blows his numbers away.
Why are you only counting rushing numbers? Makes no sense. The reason Gurley and Leveon are considered the two best in the game is total yards from scrimmage.
 

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Zeke #2 in rushing Barkley #8
Zeke has 836 rushing yards, Barkley 586.
Zeke averaging 4.9 per carry Barkley 4.5
Zeke 92.3 yards per game Barkley 65.1

So let me tell you once again Zeke blows his numbers away.

Lol why the hell would you only use his rushing numbers?

Thats sk stupid
 

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Zeke #2 in rushing Barkley #8
Zeke has 836 rushing yards, Barkley 586.
Zeke averaging 4.9 per carry Barkley 4.5
Zeke 92.3 yards per game Barkley 65.1

So let me tell you once again Zeke blows his numbers away.

Since you only want to post one side

Barkley #2 in RB receiving yards and Zeke is 16th
Barkley has 530 receiving yards while Zeke has less than half of that at 236
Barkley 59 receiving yards per game Zeke 29 receiving yards per game

"Zekes stats blow Barkleys away" lmao.

Barkley has more yards and TDs little buddy, I'd delete your posts
 
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