News: Dallas Cowboys: It’s time to start giving Dak Prescott some credit

[aikemirv]

Lmao, ok bud! Keep moving goalposts.

I never set any YPA goalpost anyway although they usually tell you whether your passing game is effective. I'm just looking at him as a QB overall. That 90 yarder was a very nice pass, I have said that, but that does not overshadow his play at all. If you are not good in the pocket (pocket awareness) you are limited and Dak is not good in the pocket since the beginning of 2017. Don't know what happenned to him because in 2016 that was one of the things I was most impressed with him about!

 

[HungryLion]

It makes no sense. It's like the idiots claiming finally having a No. 1 WR is a topic of criticism. You can't cherry pick.

No, it makes sense depending on the posters agenda.

It’s absolutely, and completely moronic.

But it makes sense if the poster has a certain Agenda they want to sell.

 

[jsb357]

winning in the post-season instantly increases a QB's credit

 

[lostar2009]

Better oline with some weapons well help any qb out. We gave Dak the bar minium when he started this year. A bunch of #3 WRS, shaky oline play and rb who was struggling behind the same line.

 

[gimmesix]

As if a three game sample size couldn’t just literally be lining up three bad/struggling opponents in a row...

Philly's defense was banged up in the secondary and Atlanta's isn't all that good, but Washington has a pretty good defense.

 

[DogFace]

If you want to drink the Koolaid on 2 throws for 130 yards, go for it. I will drink the Koolaid that saw the other 29 for 145!

Are there any in that 29 that we should also not count?

Or is that just the right amount?

 

[Playmaker3128]

I hate it when people say "but dak has great players around him, thats what makes him good".

There aren't many nfl teams that win championships without other good players around them. Big ben has always had great players around him and a good defense. Tom brady during some of his SB runs had great oline's and was barely touched. He also had guys like edleman and gronk. This year you have Goff and Mahomes with great talent all around them. You cannot win without having talent around you.

You want to argue dak has always had zeke and a great oline, i'll give you that. He's never really had a true number 1 receiver till now. (not sure dez was still a number one since dak took over).

A quarterbacks job is to make the pieces around him work, and the last 5-6 games dak has done that. I'm still not sold on dak but you have to give him credit. Look at a guy like blake bottles who has plenty of talent around him yet is terrible.

I think a huge test is this week for dak. Can dak win a potential shootout? He had one vs aaron rodgers his rookie year and held up well. We will see.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Philly's defense was banged up in the secondary and Atlanta's isn't all that good, but Washington has a pretty good defense.

But they’ve been in a pretty good tailspin recently though. For quite a few games.
Anyway the point isn’t that it was even the case, it’s just that you really can’t draw any conclusions from a three game sample. Maybe Dak’s awful first half numbers weren’t a true indicator because the tougher matchups were in that stretch and now he will balance that out. I would rather just wait until the end of the season to look at the data instead of declaring our passing game fixed because the Skins can’t tackle.

 

[Philmonroe]

28-11 through his first 39 games. Some of this fan base wants perfection and think QB's like Brees/Brady/Rodgers grow on trees.

Remember the Brandon weeden experience? There are far more Brandon weedens' in this world than the before mentioned QB's.

Here is this dog poop win loser record like this dude is in a solo. You and others that tout this as some measure of QB goodness are not being smart on this subject. That is a team stat period.

 

[aikemirv]

Are there any in that 29 that we should also not count?

Or is that just the right amount?

Like I said, it's your choice what you want to believe!

Here you go - pick them - only 1 other pass completed over 10 yards!

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts...2018/week/dak-prescott/PRE285723/2018/12/pass

2 over 10 yards maybe in week 11 - whoopee!

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts...s/2018/11/dak-prescott/PRE285723/2018/11/pass

Hey - week 10 he had 4!

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts...s/2018/10/dak-prescott/PRE285723/2018/10/pass

2 in week 9!

 

[Philmonroe]

I'm not going to knock Dak because Cooper took a 30 yard pass to the house. Or a quick slant 40 yards for another TD. All QB's: Brees, Goff, Brady, Mahomes....all of them get their stats padded from similar plays. And nobody knocks them for them for it. How many extra yards has Tyreek Hill gained for Mahomes? Nobody says boo about that. Joe Montana won 4 Super Bowls letting Jerry Rice and John Taylor do all his stat padding.

That being said, Dak still holds on to the ball too long. Does not step into the pocket when he has chances to. And his footwork is a mess when pressured leading to inaccurate throws. His throws on 9 routes down the sidelines are laughably inaccurate. Most of them end up 5 yards out of bounds.

All this supports Dak not getting an extension this offseason. He needs to be further evaluated next year under his current rookie deal. I have not seen nearly enough to warrant a $100M+ contract.

Them other qb's don't get dinged for those throws you say some criticize Dak for because how many throws does Dak have where he throws the ball for the deep td? Besides that Austin play from week 2 how many of those long tds has Dak hit? That's why he gets dinged more than the other qb's. You see them with deep tds more often so its not just those tds like Dak had that plump up their stats. I don't see how y'all can't see that instead of making it seem like Dak is similar in passing style to these other qb's.

 

[Dre11]

He did nothing in that Commanders game as a passer to impress. It's just that his #1 WR took advantage of a defender falling down and poor tackling to rack up 100 yards of RAC for two scores. Giving him 280 yards and those 2 TDs.

He limits the offense so much. Everything is checkdown.

What? How the hell did you think that pass got there between 3 defenders on the 90 yarder? I Mean if your gonna comment make sense...

 

[glimmerman]

The team and organization deserves some credit. It’s about a team. You can have a brady or rogers playing qb but if you don’t have some kind of a team around him then your gonna lose games.

The organization recognizes the mistake and corrects it. There is also a no TE or safety depth mistake but hey, can’t have stars at all positions.

Dak has improved and still has room to grow and improve. This team, the owner and GM and others in the front office believe he is a franchise QB. I have to believe they know what there doing. Since JJ has owned the team I haven’t seen him pay a QB franchise money and be wrong. Many people didn’t think that Romo should have been but I think he was. He carried this team for years.

I am going to set back and watch. Even JG by default deserves some credit. If you have been watching then you will see that he has really been clapping his behind off.

 

[Dre11]

Risen Star is correct he really didn't play all that great, (watched the game twice) he did have a nice run, if only he could figure out how to hit open receivers more than a few yards down field would greatly help his cause, you must admit that anything over 10 yards seems to be a < than 50% chance of completion and a great struggle for him with his accuracy during any game.

Then you don't know what you're looking at. On the 90 yarder 27 of it was the throw.

 

[Runwildboys]

I'm not going to knock Dak because Cooper took a 30 yard pass to the house. Or a quick slant 40 yards for another TD. All QB's: Brees, Goff, Brady, Mahomes....all of them get their stats padded from similar plays. And nobody knocks them for them for it. How many extra yards has Tyreek Hill gained for Mahomes? Nobody says boo about that. Joe Montana won 4 Super Bowls letting Jerry Rice and John Taylor do all his stat padding.

That being said, Dak still holds on to the ball too long. Does not step into the pocket when he has chances to. And his footwork is a mess when pressured leading to inaccurate throws. His throws on 9 routes down the sidelines are laughably inaccurate. Most of them end up 5 yards out of bounds.

All this supports Dak not getting an extension this offseason. He needs to be further evaluated next year under his current rookie deal. I have not seen nearly enough to warrant a $100M+ contract.

There is a difference between Dak's YAC and guys like Montana. Great QBs lead their receivers and hit them in stride, giving them a much better chance to get extra yardage. Cooper had to stop and change directions to get his yards. A throw like the one down the sideline to Gallup would have been made by Montana, etc.

That said, Dak did seem to have enough trust in Cooper to throw the ball before he broke wide open, which is an improvement.

 

[Dre11]

Risen Star is correct he really didn't play all that great, (watched the game twice) he did have a nice run, if only he could figure out how to hit open receivers more than a few yards down field would greatly help his cause, you must admit that anything over 10 yards seems to be a < than 50% chance of completion and a great struggle for him with his accuracy during any game.[/QUO

https://www.dallascowboys.com/video/amari-cooper-breaks-loose-for-90-yard-td

 

[Runwildboys]

Then you don't know what you're looking at. On the 90 yarder 27 of it was the throw.

and the rest was Cooper stopping, changing direction, and making something happen.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

Dak is ranks 23th in passing yards today .,

while eli manning ranks 10th .

 

[Zman5]

He has been playing better the last 3-4 games but he has a ways to go. He is not a complete QB. Dallas opponents do not have to defend the middle of the field 15 yards past the LOS because Dak refuses to throw the ball there. If that’s where he is supposed to throw it, he holds the ball until sacked or he takes off running. If you look at his throw chart for the season, the middle of the field is basically blank. A QB has to be able to use the whole field and make all the throws so the defense has to defend everything. Scheme could be a big part of this but Dak still has the ball in his hand and has to make the throws.

We didn't throw much to deep middle even with Romo. JG's scheme doesn't attack the deep middle much. Most of our deep passes are to the sidelines. I don't know why we don't but we haven't under JG. I've been complaining about this since 2011. My guess is, it's JG's way of trying to reduce Romo's INTS because that's where most of his INTS occurred.

 

[blumayne38]

He’s benefited from Zeke....fair enough. But you can’t tell me he’s benefiting from the likes of this offensive line that has Zach Martin, a inconsistent Collins and a bunch of cast offs. And earlier in the season he had the worst receiving core in the league. His team isn’t nearly as stacked as Brees or Goff’s.

He has benefited for a good team since he was drafted if this team wasn’t good at the oline and Rb position it would be absolutely trash on offense I mean garbage