Prescott: Late & Close

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Could it be a "nothing to lose" attitude?...Maybe.
Would I prefer that the offense doesn't screw the pooch in the first 3 quarters, so they don't have to put up these numbers in the 4th and OT? ...Definitely

But I'm glad Dak has the ability to turn it on at some point.


This issue has been around before Dak. Why do you think Romo has so many 4th quarter comeback wins?
This has been JG's trademark. For the most part, JG likes to play very conservative which gives the team very little room for error.
 

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The Cowboys are ranked 25th in passing in the NFL

That’s the stat that counts. Not this “ late and close” that is Cherry picked to prop up an agenda
"Late & close" has been around for years, always defined as 4th qtr or OT of a one-score game. Cherry-picking would mean only including certain attempts from that game situation, and ignoring others. I used Pro Football Reference's data, which includes every attempt from that game situation over the last three seasons. Nothing's left out.

Incidentally, Prescott has the 3rd-most attempts in that situation since 2016 -- almost 70 more attempts than Brady, for example. So his numbers aren't based on a low number of attempts.

If all you're saying is that the "late & close" numbers are much better than the non-late & close numbers, I think everyone here is aware of that.
 

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"Late & Close" situations are one-score games in the 4th quarter or OT. Here are the top 10 passer ratings in these situations since 2016.

Brady 119.7
Roethlisberger 113.9
Wilson 111.1
Prescott 109.9
Brees 109.3
Ryan 106.3
Carr 105.2
Luck 104.6
Rodgers 102.1
Watson 99.4

That's out of the 32 QB with the most attempts in these situations since 2016, and includes postseason.

yah, but he missed a couple passes in the first half so he sucks.
 

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"Late & close" has been around for years, always defined as 4th qtr or OT of a one-score game. Cherry-picking would mean only including certain attempts from that game situation, and ignoring others. I used Pro Football Reference's data, which includes every attempt from that game situation over the last three seasons. Nothing's left out.

Incidentally, Prescott has the 3rd-most attempts in that situation since 2016 -- almost 70 more attempts than Brady, for example. So his numbers aren't based on a low number of attempts.

If all you're saying is that the "late & close" numbers are much better than the non-late & close numbers, I think everyone here is aware of that.

Lol. Awesome
 

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“Late and close” = with 9 minutes to go in the game, Dak hands off a couple of times to Zeke, leisurely dinks and dunks into field goal range, throws well short of the first down on 3rd and long (of course) and watches the kicker come in and boot the winning field goal. CLUTCH.
Except for that last word there, your description doesn't characterize what's actually happened. Of the 32 QB with the most attempts in these situations, Prescott ranks 6th in YPA, and 5th in TD passes, and 2nd in total TD.
 

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Except for that last word there, your description doesn't characterize what's actually happened. Of the 32 QB with the most attempts in these situations, Prescott ranks 6th in YPA, and 5th in TD passes, and 2nd in total TD.

The poster you quoted is only interested in facts when they help his argument.
 

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Good point. I never put anyone on ignore just as a personal principle, but then again I don't post as much as most here, so I'm probably less annoyed by the riffraff.
I only have one person on "ignore", but it's not because of their posts on the board, it was because they were excessively trolling the game day chat. It was just excessive, over the top and ruining the room, like it's a TD and it literally hit him between the numbers, give it a break already. Most of us get a little overly critical during the game, but take a breath and quit trying to make people around you as miserable as you are. It was during the Jags game, of all games, that I put him on ignore. Cmon Man!

I gotta thank @WoodysGirl for reminding the chat room about the "ignore" feature that day. I know I wasn't the only one that used that feature on him that day. It was like being at a great movie, but there's a crying baby that just won't stop and the mother finally gets up and takes the baby to the lobby. Everybody just looks around at each other with that nod of agreement, so much better now.
 

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Except for that last word there, your description doesn't characterize what's actually happened. Of the 32 QB with the most attempts in these situations, Prescott ranks 6th in YPA, and 5th in TD passes, and 2nd in total TD.
It’s exactly what happened. Late and close is utter BS and is almost as laughable as the idea that Dak is clutch. Dak is anti-clutch.
Can any Dak slobberer point me to the video of Dak leading the team on an 88 yard drive with 1:40 to go, no timeouts, no time to run or dink and dunk, Joe Montana style? You know what people really think of as clutch and not some phony tie game with 13 minutes left in the fourth quarter?
I’ll wait right here for the video.
 

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Just a heads up, percy. It looks like you spelled “Wentz” wrong someplace.
His 85.2 passer rating ranks 21st in late & close situations, more than 7 points lower than his career rating. Dak's is 14 points higher than his own career rating.

If you look at all attempts in every situation, Dak's passer rating ranks 10th, Wentz's 16th.
 

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The Cowboys are ranked 25th in passing in the NFL

That’s the stat that counts. Not this “ late and close” that is Cherry picked to prop up an agenda

Where they rank don't count, wins do. Those stats are a direct reflection of that, and oh, you cherry picked....lol
 

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This issue has been around before Dak. Why do you think Romo has so many 4th quarter comeback wins?
This has been JG's trademark. For the most part, JG likes to play very conservative which gives the team very little room for error.
I wouldn't consider those deep passes Dak missed "conservative" plays. I'm glad he's willing to take shots, even if it might mean more ints, but I really hope practice makes closer to perfect.
 
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It’s exactly what happened. Late and close is utter BS and is almost as laughable as the idea that Dak is clutch. Dak is anti-clutch.
Can any Dak slobberer point me to the video of Dak leading the team on an 88 yard drive with 1:40 to go, no timeouts, no time to run or dink and dunk, Joe Montana style? You know what people really think of as clutch and not some phony tie game with 13 minutes left in the fourth quarter?
I’ll wait right here for the video.
Show me a video of somebody else doing this. Don't bother searching Aaron Rodgers or Carson Wentz. They've never done it. I guess they aren't clutch either

This is an absurd standard.
 

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The Cowboys are ranked 25th in passing in the NFL

That’s the stat that counts. Not this “ late and close” that is Cherry picked to prop up an agenda

Actually 8-5 (tied for the 8th best record in the NFL) and all but guaranteed playoff spot is the stat that COUNTS not some stupid passing yardage stat that you cherry picked.
 
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Show me a video of somebody else doing this. Don't bother searching Aaron Rodgers or Carson Wentz. They've never done it. I guess they aren't clutch either

This is an absurd standard.
What? Aaron Rodgers has actually done it to US. Were you born yesterday?
 

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I wouldn't consider those deep passes Dak missed "conservative" plays. I'm glad he's willing to take shots, even if it might mean more ints, but I really hope practice makes closer to perfect.

I'm not talking about this game alone but how JG's teams have played in general throughout the years. The reason there are so much late game heroics needed by the QB is because we rarely go for the kill early in the game.
 

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“Late and close” = with 9 minutes to go in the game, Dak hands off a couple of times to Zeke, leisurely dinks and dunks into field goal range, throws well short of the first down on 3rd and long (of course) and watches the kicker come in and boot the winning field goal. CLUTCH.

Yeah, and all the other QBs on that list are throwing 70 yard dimes blindfolded while escaping would be sacks from 4 different defenders
 

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"Late & Close" situations are one-score games in the 4th quarter or OT. Here are the top 10 passer ratings in these situations since 2016.

Brady 119.7
Roethlisberger 113.9
Wilson 111.1
Prescott 109.9
Brees 109.3
Ryan 106.3
Carr 105.2
Luck 104.6
Rodgers 102.1
Watson 99.4

That's out of the 32 QB with the most attempts in these situations since 2016, and includes postseason.

dak has been good in these situations.
however, he is only 1 of 2 qbs on the list with a dominant rb.
but he is not just a bus driver.

however, some of his weakness are worse than a bus driver.
though those weakness r made worse by stupid playcalling
 
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