Nick Carter on Cowherd today about Dak

[Falco78]

Romo showed more physical talent than Dak. Only Parcells and fans like me knew you couldnt coach the glitch out of him. And Im telling you that Dak needs too many pro bowl caliber players around him just to make this team competitive.This team will lose a lot of talent on the defensive side of the ball if Dak gets more than 15 mil a year.

He is getting more than 15 million a year

 

[Stash]

#1 - we don't know what the contract extension will be so its way premature to say if its an overpayment.

#2 - the 2019 Salary cap will around 190 Million, so even a 20 Million dollar contract is equal to about 12 Million for when some of those QB deals were signed on a percentage basis.

#3 - QB is one of the few positions that can lose a game (or many of them) all by themselves. Go watch the game Mark Sanchez started for the Commanders before you say things like "Just walk away from your starter". You could also go rewatch Cooper Rush in this preseason when he was facing starting caliber players.

#4 - The main issue with Dak is that he plays much better when his OL is healthy and it will be next season. Even this year he has improved at throwing under pressure. You absolutely have to get Frederick back and Tyron & Martin healthy before you make decisions that can wreck your franchise for a decade like "walking away" from your starting QB without a replacement on board.

From where I'm looking at it, unless Prescott and his agent are giving a discount, I see no advantages to paying him big bucks any earlier than I have to.

If you let it play out next year and tag him in 2020, you get two years for roughly $31 million. That's far cheaper than two years at $40 million if you're paying him $20 million a year. And it's also far less money to guarantee than what would inevitably be included in any mega-contract, long-term deal.

Why would I want to give up leverage like that if there's nothing in it for me?

 

[Stash]

He is getting more than 15 million a year

Then why not let 2019 play out and tag him in 2020? That gives you two years at $31 million. Advantage Cowboys.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

There you go, that's the difference between us. Dak is ranking somewhere around 15th to 20th as a QB this year in passing ratings. The team is a respectable 8-5 (We are not 11-2 for a reason) with a top 2 to 3 defense. He's playing right now like a Dilfer or Johnson QB level on a team where clearly the defense is carrying the team. Yes we are in the race, but in no way favored come playoff time, but we all have high hopes.

You obviously have a higher regard for the Dilfer's, Johnson's and Dak's in this league than most.

No he's not. Using pre Amari numbers is worthless. He's 8th in passer rating with an actual receiver. Dilfer was not.

 

[JoeKing]

The problem is, almost everyone knows that Dak has problems throwing the football.

That’s a problem.

Is "a problem" really a problem if it doesn't prevent Dak from winning more than everyone else in his conference, the past three seasons?

 

[tm1119]

Either find a better QB or pay him (not top 5 qb $). Anything in between is useless in my opinion. If a cowboys player farts it makes national media, does everyone really want the circus around that would happen if Jerry played hard ball and the Dallas Cowboys QB plays out multiple 1 year deals? It would be more of a headache than it’s worth imo.

I think there’s a reasonable deal to be reached...I’d offer him a 4 year $75M deal with 50 guaranteed

$12M-‘19
$18M- ‘20
$20M- ‘21
$25M- ‘22 (none of this guaranteed)

 

[Little Jr]

Who is above Matt Ryan? Is Ryan a top 10 qb? If you say yes then you are saying that there should be 10 teams in the NFL that will have a qb and the other 22 teams should just shuffle through qbs until they find one. Lol

Collin also said this week that we should pay him 25m now instead of 29m next year. That's the dumbest **** I have ever heard and shows he knows **** about the cap.

People are freaking out over him getting 25m-30m because of other qbs contracts. People have to remember when they signed them contracts and what the cap was and what % of the cap them contracts took up on that teams cap. A 30m contract last year is more expensive than a 30m contract this year.

 

[Little Jr]

Romo showed more physical talent than Dak. Only Parcells and fans like me knew you couldnt coach the glitch out of him. And Im telling you that Dak needs too many pro bowl caliber players around him just to make this team competitive.This team will lose a lot of talent on the defensive side of the ball if Dak gets more than 15 mil a year.

Lmao 15m a year or they will lose a lot of talent? Go study up on the cap. Lol

 

[Redball Express]

This OL hasn't been good since 2016.

And you think that it will not be better going forward?

The change in coaching has already reeled off 5 straight wins with this OL you say is no good.

Some mirage.

I think you need to hold your head up and take a look at some highlight film.

Who is that blocking for Zeke?

 

[Macnalty]

Heard this today and could not agree more.

He used Matt Ryan as the line, and said if a qb is above that line, you can pay him bucks... the Rodgers, Brady, Rivers type QBs.

If the QB is below that line, you can not pay the guy like he is a superstar qb... if you pay a below Matt Ryan QB like he is Brady, you are screwed.

Said he would let Dak play next year for his 700 k deal and see what happens and if you need to Franchise him with the non exclusive tag, which would mean if anyone signs him away from you, they have to give up 2 number 1 picks.... and as Carter said, nobody is gonna give up that for Dak.

This was good stuff and i agree 100% As he said, if better than Ryan, pay him. If he is not better than Ryan, you got to be prepared to walk away.

I thought that distinction was called the Dalton line? Maybe that was five years ago...

 

[InTheZone]

Based on the organizations decisions regarding QB and support around him I see absolutely no issue finding a replacement through the draft to mimic what Dak does and keep the QB salary low to allow for the team around him to continue their high level of play.

We play an ultra conservative, minus a few shots here and there, pass game, where the ball is usually going to a guy 5 yards out or less. I see little risk asking a guy not to try to win the game for us, so there's little pressure for whoever is there. It would make sense to draft a guy in 2019, let him learn for a year then compete with what we have.

We can keep cycling QBs every 3-4 years unless we find THAT guy who can do it all no excuses attached. This will allow us to keep the core of the team strong over time, not having to rebuild at any given moment.

 

[InTheZone]

I thought that distinction was called the Dalton line? Maybe that was five years ago...

Dalton is a guy you play in the regular season, then sit for the playoffs unless you want to go home after that first game.

 

[Zekeats]

I believe he's talking about Nick Wright, Cris Carter's talk show partner. He used the same Matt Ryan line on that show and he's likely getting his mileage out of it with Cowherd too.

That ugly gem who knows nothing about sports

 

[dckid]

Heard this today and could not agree more.

He used Matt Ryan as the line, and said if a qb is above that line, you can pay him bucks... the Rodgers, Brady, Rivers type QBs.

If the QB is below that line, you can not pay the guy like he is a superstar qb... if you pay a below Matt Ryan QB like he is Brady, you are screwed.

Said he would let Dak play next year for his 700 k deal and see what happens and if you need to Franchise him with the non exclusive tag, which would mean if anyone signs him away from you, they have to give up 2 number 1 picks.... and as Carter said, nobody is gonna give up that for Dak.

This was good stuff and i agree 100% As he said, if better than Ryan, pay him. If he is not better than Ryan, you got to be prepared to walk away.

Heard this today and could not agree more.

He used Matt Ryan as the line, and said if a qb is above that line, you can pay him bucks... the Rodgers, Brady, Rivers type QBs.

If the QB is below that line, you can not pay the guy like he is a superstar qb... if you pay a below Matt Ryan QB like he is Brady, you are screwed.

Said he would let Dak play next year for his 700 k deal and see what happens and if you need to Franchise him with the non exclusive tag, which would mean if anyone signs him away from you, they have to give up 2 number 1 picks.... and as Carter said, nobody is gonna give up that for Dak.

This was good stuff and i agree 100% As he said, if better than Ryan, pay him. If he is not better than Ryan, you got to be prepared to walk away.

I agree there has to be a line. I am 100% Atlanta regrets paying Matty Ice what they paid him. Over the past 4 years starting with Flacco really the average QB market has soared. QB's not just make a bigger chunk of the overall salary cap. It's logical the QB is usually the most important player on the field. He touches the ball on every offensive play, gets undue blame and undue praise.

We are in a tough spot, I am all for letting Dak play out his contract, why not sign other guys this offseason and make an even stronger push for next year. If we think we have SB caliber team and Dak can take us there... really go for it. If he wins the SB he will get paid, deserve or not.

I wish we could pay him Keenum money ( 19 million a year). How often do superstar QB's move? Peyton Manning was a unique situation and it paid off for Denver, but that never happens.

 

[Stash]

Based on the organizations decisions regarding QB and support around him I see absolutely no issue finding a replacement through the draft to mimic what Dak does and keep the QB salary low to allow for the team around him to continue their high level of play.

We play an ultra conservative, minus a few shots here and there, pass game, where the ball is usually going to a guy 5 yards out or less. I see little risk asking a guy not to try to win the game for us, so there's little pressure for whoever is there. It would make sense to draft a guy in 2019, let him learn for a year then compete with what we have.

We can keep cycling QBs every 3-4 years unless we find THAT guy who can do it all no excuses attached. This will allow us to keep the core of the team strong over time, not having to rebuild at any given moment.

The ability to continue to look at options like the draft certainly factors in for me.

If Prescott and his reps are willing to sign a reasonable deal based on his performance? Sure, let's talk. If not, I'm letting he and his agents assume all injury risk for 2019 and tagging him in 2020. I'll get two years for $31 million and keep all options on the table. Advantage, me.

 

[Stash]

I agree there has to be a line. I am 100% Atlanta regrets paying Matty Ice what they paid him. Over the past 4 years starting with Flacco really the average QB market has soared. QB's not just make a bigger chunk of the overall salary cap. It's logical the QB is usually the most important player on the field. He touches the ball on every offensive play, gets undue blame and undue praise.

We are in a tough spot, I am all for letting Dak play out his contract, why not sign other guys this offseason and make an even stronger push for next year. If we think we have SB caliber team and Dak can take us there... really go for it. If he wins the SB he will get paid, deserve or not.

I wish we could pay him Keenum money ( 19 million a year). How often do superstar QB's move? Peyton Manning was a unique situation and it paid off for Denver, but that never happens.

I think the league knows that they've allowed quarterback salaries to get into ridiculous territory, out of a lack of talent and a lack of options. Jones and the Cowboys would be wise to learn from those mistakes and to not hastily jump into their own money pit.

 

[conner01]

Who is Nick Carter???

Wasn’t he a backstreet boy

 

[Turkish-Cowboy]

30 Million per year, he got 150MM over 5 years with 100 guaranteed. I haven't heard anyone say Dak would be given anything like that.

Even so, considering the salary cap in the next years, 30 million is no more the amount that used to screw teams up in the previous years.

That said, I think Dak will get 24-26 million and I am OK with that.

 

[MeAgain]

OH MY!!! Another Dak topic going in circles. Lets see if he can get some layoff wins , then we can KNOW if he is THE guy. Romo was great but collapsed in pressure, Dak is not great but does not collapse under pressure , but instead plays BETTER. Pressure the hell out of him.... lol

 

[Stash]

That ugly gem who knows nothing about sports

Certainly has a face for radio, but I think the guy's pretty good and makes good points quite often. Infinitely better than the clueless "schtick" people get from Stephen A. Smith and Shannon Sharpe.