NFL rule changes

[Zekeats]

I’m very curious as to what people think and believe. Please here me out. In the past 4-5 seasons it’s pretty obvious that the NFL has made and added a ton of rule changes and new rules. A lot of the rules are very vague and calls could go either way much like the catch rule, pass interference, holding and so on.
We have seen blatant calls called the wrong way and some others over looked. We have seen pre play penalties that can alter games. We’ve seen post play penalties that have altered games.
We’ve seen them change a lot of rules for the kickoff and they claim that they are for players safety and while they might be it also is a way to control the outcome of games. See the kickoff and return games used to be one of the most game changing plays ever. A big return could completely swing a game the other way.
So they have made a huge deal out of concussions and players safety over the years but is it more about $? Not just money from lawsuits, trust me all major companies can take on lawsuits and the NFL is obviously one of the biggest companies in the world.
So here’s where I’m trying to take you all, any chance the NFL had a little preknowledge on the leagalizition of pro sports gambling? Now I’m not saying that it hasn’t mattered in the past but maybe knowing that a lot more people would have access to gambling that didn’t prior that most of the rules and changes are due to gambling.
With vague rules and game changes and the elimination of one of the most unpredictable plays I don’t think it’s just a coincidence. They want to control the outcome of the game. They want to manage the games.
Now I love football and I love my Dallas Cowboys and I will always love and watch no matter what and we are pretty much all die hard fans that no matter what we will watch but that doesn’t mean that these games are being controlled by gambling. Follow the money people and understand and be aware that money is what this is all about. Yes it’s the entertainment business and I am entertained but I like to make reasons to things that don’t make sense such as the Dez drop, or the fumble on the opening kickoff last week, or the too many men in the huddle or the pass interference flag that was picked up on Anthony Hitchens. Blatant calls that’s wether for better or worse they went the way they shouldn’t have been called.
To me it’s all about one thing we never talk about, the elephant in the room gambling/money.


Please mods don’t remove I would like to here other people’s thoughts on this.

 

[Pants]

Impossible to tell if Vegas has anything to do with the refs but if any of this were true, then the NFL will at some point be owned by the WWE

- I think that some of the calls are suspect, sure; but I don't think that the refs are "in on it" with "it" being Vegas benefitting from the outcome of games....

....perhaps you can dig up some stats on games this season where Vegas "won" vs people winning? if so, then there were be a starting point from which to search

 

[Zekeats]

Impossible to tell if Vegas has anything to do with the refs but if any of this were true, then the NFL will at some point be owned by the WWE

- I think that some of the calls are suspect, sure; but I don't think that the refs are "in on it" with "it" being Vegas benefitting from the outcome of games....

....perhaps you can dig up some stats on games this season where Vegas "won" vs people winning? if so, then there were be a starting point from which to search

To me it almost seems like sometimes the calls go for the outcome of the game And sometimes the calls go just text the over under

 

[Little Jr]

Same amount flags thrown now is the the same as it was 30 years ago.

 

[ChuckA1]

The decision to call the helmet rule for the first time against Eze, when I've seen many other backs do the same thing was troubling.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

Same amount flags thrown now is the the same as it was 30 years ago.

This!

Look this discussion as been going on for as long as I can remember. We are always going to complain about officiating in all sports. It’s a tough job that that is made even tougher with it being done in real-time. We sit at home and watch replays and say how did they miss that. There are so many reasons why calls are missed.

It is impossible to see every player interact doing a play. It would take at least 11 officials isolated on a pair of players interacting. Players obstructing the clear view of a play or maybe the ref just blinked. Lol. I have a friend that officiates in division 2a and have really gotten a good knowledge of how hard that job is.

Secondly they want scoring to be up because it’s believe that is what we as fans want to see. And thirdly concussions has played a major part in the last few years of rule changes and/or enhancements.

 

[Bullflop]

It seems to me that there are far too many calls now that appear to favor the home teams. With the officials being human, it's easier for them to render an increased number of borderline calls to go in favor of the home teams. After all, the league likes it, as it stands to reason that they will attract more patrons to home games. Borderline calls are now far more likely to appeal to the majority of fans that are attending the home games, rather than the visitors.

Nevertheless, in the interest of fairness, calls should rightfully be made that treat both teams equally. I'm far from being confident that it'll change anytime soon, seeing as how these rules are made by way of the owners' decisions. Perhaps it's something that we, as fans, will be obliged to grin and bear. Apparently, it may well be something that isn't at all likely to change in the near future, with many calls now being so vague.

 

[Little Jr]

This!

Look this discussion as been going on for as long as I can remember. We are always going to complain about officiating in all sports. It’s a tough job that that is made even tougher with it being done in real-time. We sit at home and watch replays and say how did they miss that. There are so many reasons why calls are missed.

It is impossible to see every player interact doing a play. It would take at least 11 officials isolated on a pair of players interacting. Players obstructing the clear view of a play or maybe the ref just blinked. Lol. I have a friend that officiates in division 2a and have really gotten a good knowledge of how hard that job is.

Secondly they want scoring to be up because it’s believe that is what we as fans want to see and thirdly concussions has played a major part in the last few years of rule changes and/or enhancements.

I'm 45 and when I was 25 fans *****ed about the same things. Social media and more media in general has made it worst. Refs have more penalties they can call now than they could've 30 years ago and the same amount of flags are still being thrown.

 

[Zekeats]

Same amount flags thrown now is the the same as it was 30 years ago.

Doesn’t mean it wasn’t controlled 30 years ago and we aren’t just talking about the number of flags. I am bringing up the vagueness of the rules and how they are pretty much judgement calls. See Jesse James and Zach Ertz.

 

[pansophy]

I’m very curious as to what people think and believe. Please here me out. In the past 4-5 seasons it’s pretty obvious that the NFL has made and added a ton of rule changes and new rules. A lot of the rules are very vague and calls could go either way much like the catch rule, pass interference, holding and so on.
We have seen blatant calls called the wrong way and some others over looked. We have seen pre play penalties that can alter games. We’ve seen post play penalties that have altered games.
We’ve seen them change a lot of rules for the kickoff and they claim that they are for players safety and while they might be it also is a way to control the outcome of games. See the kickoff and return games used to be one of the most game changing plays ever. A big return could completely swing a game the other way.
So they have made a huge deal out of concussions and players safety over the years but is it more about $? Not just money from lawsuits, trust me all major companies can take on lawsuits and the NFL is obviously one of the biggest companies in the world.
So here’s where I’m trying to take you all, any chance the NFL had a little preknowledge on the leagalizition of pro sports gambling? Now I’m not saying that it hasn’t mattered in the past but maybe knowing that a lot more people would have access to gambling that didn’t prior that most of the rules and changes are due to gambling.
With vague rules and game changes and the elimination of one of the most unpredictable plays I don’t think it’s just a coincidence. They want to control the outcome of the game. They want to manage the games.
Now I love football and I love my Dallas Cowboys and I will always love and watch no matter what and we are pretty much all die hard fans that no matter what we will watch but that doesn’t mean that these games are being controlled by gambling. Follow the money people and understand and be aware that money is what this is all about. Yes it’s the entertainment business and I am entertained but I like to make reasons to things that don’t make sense such as the Dez drop, or the fumble on the opening kickoff last week, or the too many men in the huddle or the pass interference flag that was picked up on Anthony Hitchens. Blatant calls that’s wether for better or worse they went the way they shouldn’t have been called.
To me it’s all about one thing we never talk about, the elephant in the room gambling/money.


Please mods don’t remove I would like to here other people’s thoughts on this.

Going to say no. Rule changes are so they can't get sued in the future through a negligence claim -- nfl can argue in court that they made good faith efforts to protect players and that players know the risks.

Gambling is to make money for sure but generally the industry makes money regardless of who wins. It's people within the system that try to fix games and that can already occur without the NFL making any money. IMO the NFL won't exist in 25 years -- they need to cash in now and it's in their long term interest for games to be fair else its decline could be far more rapid.

 

[Little Jr]

Doesn’t mean it wasn’t controlled 30 years ago and we aren’t just talking about the number of flags. I am bringing up the vagueness of the rules and how they are pretty much judgement calls. See Jesse James and Zach Ertz.

Every penalty is a judgement call except for presnap penalties. The catch rule has been a cluster for year's. Started in 99 I believe with the bucs and just got worst since. If you're trying to make the point that the rules favor the offense and creates more scoring , you're correct but that's not a secret.

 

[Bullflop]

Same amount flags thrown now is the the same as it was 30 years ago.

I doubt that is true at all. The number of new rules and their vagueness doesn't keep their numbers the same to me. Vague rules make it so. Referees control games now more than they ever did. I'd say the home teams are increasingly the one-sided benefactors now, without question.

 

[Little Jr]

I doubt that is true at all. The number of new rules and their vagueness doesn't keep their number the same to me. Vague rules make it so.

Actually it is. Suprised me too. Blandido (sp?lol) mentioned earlier this week so I looked it up. He was right. Since 1991 between 11-13 flags per game have been thrown. I found a chart on it though 2016 and did 17 and this year on my own and it was correct.

 

[DogFace]

CONSPIRACY=no
incompetence=yes
Ref bias=maybe


I’d like pro refs like MLB and the NBA. Sure they miss them too. It’s not nearly as bad though and then maybe we could have more accountability and people that have more vested in their career.

 

[Bullflop]

Actually it is. Suprised me too. Blandido (sp?lol) mentioned earlier this week so I looked it up. He was right. Since 1991 between 11-13 flags per game have been thrown. I found a chart on it though 2016 and did 17 and this year on my own and it was correct.

Isn't it possible you can have a similar number of calls with an increased percentage of them favoring the home team?

I can't help but think that that might well be the case. There are more judgment calls than ever to favor the home team.

 

[Zekeats]

CONSPIRACY=no
incompetence=yes
Ref bias=maybe


I’d like pro refs like MLB and the NBA. Sure they miss them too. It’s not nearly as bad though and then maybe we could have more accountability and people that have more vested in their career.

NBA lol......just at least watch the first 3 minutes. Crazy **** I ever heard around the 2:30 mark

 

[Zekeats]

Every penalty is a judgement call except for presnap penalties. The catch rule has been a cluster for year's. Started in 99 I believe with the bucs and just got worst since. If you're trying to make the point that the rules favor the offense and creates more scoring , you're correct but that's not a secret.

Your lost on my points. It’s all a way to control the outcome of a game. Isn’t it funny to you how a game can go into half time 7-3 and all of a sudden there are 3-4 big penalties called that lead to scoring regardless of which team benefits, and all of a sudden the final score is 27-23 and wouldn’t you know the over hit. I believe they have a huge hand in the over under outcome.

 

[Little Jr]

Your lost on my points. It’s all a way to control the outcome of a game. Isn’t it funny to you how a game can go into half time 7-3 and all of a sudden there are 3-4 big penalties called that lead to scoring regardless of which team benefits, and all of a sudden the final score is 27-23 and wouldn’t you know the over hit. I believe they have a huge hand in the over under outcome.

Lol it's always been that way and that conspiracy has been around for years

 

[Little Jr]

Isn't it possible you can have a similar number of calls with an increased percentage of them favoring the home team?

I can't help but believe that that might well be the case. There are more judgment calls than ever to favor the home team.

This year, the home team averages 6.5 accepted penalties a game where the away team averages 6.7 accepted penalties a game.

 

[conner01]

Same amount flags thrown now is the the same as it was 30 years ago.

It hasn’t changed hardly at all
We avg exactly the same this year as last year