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Romo_To_Dez said:
Without Cooper, you mean like how the majority of QBs outside of Brady, won't be able to have just any average WR/TE/RB plugged into their offensive system and still be productive enough, to make his team a playoff/Superbowl contender. And even in that case, Brady benefited greatly from having Belechick as a coach and a front office who constantly knows how to place and keep talent on the team. to make the Patriots Superbowl contenders every season.

Look at Luck, he just happens to have a great bounce back season, during a season where his Oline happens to be one of the best in the NFL, when it comes to protecting the QB and not giving up many Sacks. As well as having a solid running game.

Most QBs need top weapons around him and all QBs benefit from a true number one WR threat, this isn't a revelation that is limited to Dak. Once again, in the need to criticize Dak, while campaigning for the QB you support, there are things you overlook, either willingly or unintentionally.

Using Cooper, Zeke and the current Cowboys talented roster to say that Dak is "carried". Since you support Foles coming to the team, tell me how many teams he lead to the playoffs outside of Philly. What team besides Philly was he ever close to winning a Superbowl with. Foles struggled so much outside of Philly, that no team kept him as their starting QB. If they saw a true franchise QB in Foles. Then those teams wouldn't have release him.

Now Foles goes to a team with an upgrade in coaching and a team with superior talented, with superior weapons, and a superior supporting cast. Along with a superior put together offensive system and he thrives. Is this supposed to just be a coincidence that Foles best career is where the coaching and supporting cast is better than on the other teams he has been on. Yet, it's Dak who gets discredited for the supporting cast around him, while other QBs that you support, get all of the credit, despite the talented supporting cast.

"Dak Pamperers, Dak-a-Zoids, Dak Sniffers, Dak Slobbers" As usual some on this board resort to name calling, because not everyone agrees with their Anti-Dak views.
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You sure it more Belicheat and not Brady ? Bill didnt do so well in Cleveland .... But as soon as he went to NE and Brady started playing his 2nd year as HC ..... the rest is history.

Foles has been on 3 teams .... Chip Kelly Eagles , he took over for Vick and led that team to playoffs. The next year he went 6-2 Broke a rib and never got put back in ... as CHip Kelly felt he could win with anyone. Sanchez went 4-4 missed going 10-6. Rams , Foles didnt even start a full year really as Jeff Fisher was a mess , they also went and got Goff . 2016 Played for CHiefs and played nearly flawless each time he got a chance to fill in. THen back to Eagles led by a different HC and system WOn SB .


You should stop with just the bias hate of him being a Eagle and actually enjoy what you saw the past 2 seasons as it was special.
 
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Gangsta Spanksta said:
People like to say things are facts here, often just to say they right without even having facts half the time. Fact. End of argument >.>. Period. It's already been pointed out that Stats don't always tell the whole story.
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Haha facts don't tell the entire story...... Only to Dak haters because they prove them wrong. But yet they would be the first to bring up stats if it fits their agenda.
 
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Birdgang said:
You sure it more Belicheat and not Brady ? Bill didnt do so well in Cleveland .... But as soon as he went to NE and Brady started playing his 2nd year as HC ..... the rest is history.

Foles has been on 3 teams .... Chip Kelly Eagles , he took over for Vick and led that team to playoffs. The next year he went 6-2 Broke a rib and never got put back in ... as CHip Kelly felt he could win with anyone. Sanchez went 4-4 missed going 10-6. Rams , Foles didnt even start a full year really as Jeff Fisher was a mess , they also went and got Goff . 2016 Played for CHiefs and played nearly flawless each time he got a chance to fill in. THen back to Eagles led by a different HC and system WOn SB .


You should stop with just the bias hate of him being a Eagle and actually enjoy what you saw the past 2 seasons as it was special.
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I don't hate Foles and even support him being the Eagles starter over Wentz. But, I will point out that Foles has benefited the most, with better teams, better weapons, and better coaching.

SInce Dak having a talented roster and team around him, is constantly used to discredit him. While the same logic isn't used for other QBs. Foles not being able to get his Non-Philly teams to the playoffs, doesn't stop him from getting credit for taking a more talented in Philly to the Superbowl and it shouldn't.

But, some fans want to cherry pick what QB does and doesn't deserve credit or at least some of the credit, based off of their agendas. The agendas where they use the support cast to discredit the QB they don't like, while giving the debate a strong supporting cast, to give the benefit of the doubt to the QB they support and see as great/elite.
 
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Romo_To_Dez said:
I don't hate Foles and even support him being the Eagles starter over Wentz. But, I will point out that Foles has benefited the most, with better teams, better weapons, and better coaching.

SInce Dak having a talented roster and team around him, is constantly used to discredit him. While the same logic isn't used for other QBs. Foles not being able to get his Non-Philly teams to the playoffs, doesn't stop him from getting credit for taking a more talented in Philly to the Superbowl and it shouldn't.

But, some fans want to cherry pick what QB does and doesn't deserve credit or at least some of the credit, based off of their agendas. The agendas where they use the support cast to discredit the QB they don't like, while giving the debate a strong supporting cast, to give the benefit of the doubt to the QB they support and see as great/elite.
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Im right there with ya . Look at my posts , I think people suffer from the grass is greener on other side. Dak is plenty good enough to win a SB they took big step this year in building more around him and it showed. Cowboys have never had a talent problem though as for past 6 years had teams that could of won. Only one thing has remained the same for the 24 year drought
 
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Romo_To_Dez said:
Without Cooper, you mean like how the majority of QBs outside of Brady, won't be able to have just any average WR/TE/RB plugged into their offensive system and still be productive enough, to make his team a playoff/Superbowl contender. And even in that case, Brady benefited greatly from having Belechick as a coach and a front office who constantly knows how to place and keep talent on the team. to make the Patriots Superbowl contenders every season.

Look at Luck, he just happens to have a great bounce back season, during a season where his Oline happens to be one of the best in the NFL, when it comes to protecting the QB and not giving up many Sacks. As well as having a solid running game.

Most QBs need top weapons around him and all QBs benefit from a true number one WR threat, this isn't a revelation that is limited to Dak. Once again, in the need to criticize Dak, while campaigning for the QB you support, there are things you overlook, either willingly or unintentionally.

Using Cooper, Zeke and the current Cowboys talented roster to say that Dak is "carried".
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Dak accuracy issue has nothing to do with someone wanting a favorite quarterback or not. Heck the start of 2017 Dak was my favorite quarterback; I had high hopes. Oh and in 2017, Dak had all those things, a lot of weapons, and still struggled without Zeke. Dak having a #1 receiver or not, while it makes him better, just like any other quarterback, does not erase his flaw. We might differ on how critical these flaws are. But Dak still does a ton of bad passes, and yeah every quarterback under throws and such, but Dak's seem especially bad given the eye test. I don't care about the eagles or any other team, I am a cowboy's fan, so naturally I'm going to be more critical of when Dak does it. And Dak had all his pieces Saturday, and opposing CBs disrespected him, letting him have the deep game, if he wanted it, daring him to throw, and yet he only managed to score 15 points until the last 6 mins of the game. This is not a valid reason for concern, this lack of production in today's NFL?


Since you support Foles coming to the team, tell me how many teams he led to the playoffs outside of Philly. What team besides Philly was he ever close to winning a Superbowl with. Foles struggled so much outside of Philly, that no team kept him as their starting QB. If they saw a true franchise QB in Foles. Then those teams wouldn't have release him.
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So talk about Double Standards. We keep hearing this Dak needs time to improve, that he eventually can become a franchise Quarterback. Yet we are not allowed to think that Foles may have improved from previous years when he was on other teams. What better test is there than a Superbowl against the patriots. Yeah, the double standard thing seems to be real, the same people who argue that it is possible for Dak to improve, totally leave that option off the table when it comes to that Foles may have improved and is now a good quarterback. Bringing up the past, as a means to exclude that possibility...

"Dak Pamperers, Dak-a-Zoids, Dak Sniffers, Dak Slobbers" As usual some on this board resort to name calling, because not everyone agrees with their Anti-Dak views.
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What's wrong with saying there are Dak Pamperers? People get to say there are people that hate Dak no matter what. And yet I'm not allowed to say that there are people on this board that will always Pamper Dak, no matter what? That is how many of us feel when it comes to what some people are doing on here. I've been called a hater. I've been accused of have an ilk as if I'm some sort of villain by the dak crowd. Dak had a bad game on saturday, and I feel like people are pampering him, making it seem he had a good game, because he had an *almost* comeback withing the last 6 mins of the game, completely neglecting that he failed to score the standard number of points needed to win most game in today NFL when we were down 30-15 in the 4th quarter.
 
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Irvin88_4life said:
Haha facts don't tell the entire story...... Only to Dak haters because they prove them wrong. But yet they would be the first to bring up stats if it fits their agenda.
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you've hardly used facts to prove people wrong IMO. Stats can be misinterpreted, and people don't tell the whole story behind those stats often. Stats can be abused and misused. Don't be going saying things I didn't say. And people say facts here often without really presenting many as a means to shut the other person up.
 
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Irvin88_4life said:
Did you not see what happen to Cooper after the eagles game and they changed the route? Romo has QB before Garrett and was able to do those things. Dak hasn't played long enough, they give him 2 plays and he can run either one. Plus maybe if you watched the games you would see Dak go to the 2nd play.......it happens when Dak tells "kill, kill, kill"
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I really haven't read up about what happened on Cooper. Nor does that prove that Coop didn't do anything wrong or that Dak would get in trouble if he audibles. there is a difference between a receiver saying stuff publically, and a QB doing his job.
 
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Cheers!
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LocimusPrime said:
And nobody will brother. I however did change my mind about Gregory though. I used to think he was a lost cause but he did all right this year.
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That's pretty killer!
@Trouty and I were pretty loud advocates for him for a hot minute.
even in the ugly moments.

I know he and I are both very glad to see him putting things together and being the Anti-Irving.
So far...
We gots ourselves a real and for real offseason ahead of us.
Good luck, my awesome troublemakers!

As your Attorney General Pro Bono: I advise... come to me first.
Armed to the teeth.
And wear a Hawaiian shirt.

Trust me: It will be the best thing you ever do.
 
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