Rams-style running attack

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some of us have been pushing for the jet-sweep motion type rushing attack that has a lot of deception.
yes, the same one that got our defense so confused all game

what would be needed to implement such an offense besides hiring mcvay?
a new OC?
zeke should be fine?
cooper fast enough, austin fast enough?
on the one jet sweet austin ran, it was stuff for a big loss.
what is the rams scheme doing right that cowboys coaches cannot figure out???

Can't get much faster than Austin. The jet sweep should be faked at least 3:1 over actually being used. Much like Dak taking it on the read option, it's entirely complementary to Zeke running the ball.

The jet sweep against the Rams got stuffed because the Rams had a ton of guys waiting for it. If we had faked the jet sweep and run Zeke in the opposite direction, we would have had a nice fat run from Zeke.
 

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Absolutely they are they had problems with both. Sacks and stoppping the run

Didn’t get any sacks in both games. Couldnt stop the run in both games

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They ran so well they didn’t have to pass much
 

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They ran so well they didn’t have to pass much
In the colts game they ran for 192 and threw for 192
In the rams game they ran for 270 and threw for 186

But yes if you can run well, you don’t have to pass much, and if you don’t pass much..yes there’s less opportunities for sacks or you can pass more if you have a decent line and quick release. Lots of variables
 

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Linehan has a hard enough time figuring out how to send a guy in motion from one side of the field to the other. He needs to go!
 

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In the colts game they ran for 192 and threw for 192
In the rams game they ran for 270 and threw for 186

But yes if you can run well, you don’t have to pass much, and if you don’t pass much..yes there’s less opportunities for sacks or you can pass more if you have a decent line and quick release. Lots of variables
They have a good line, they don’t use much quick passes. They like deep shots
But they ran so well they didn’t need them
Their oline totally dominated our Dline. Some may be a tell on twists, some thief scheme but mostly it was just great blocking and physical domination
That’s as bad as it can get
 

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They have a good line, they don’t use much quick passes. They like deep shots
But they ran so well they didn’t need them
Their oline totally dominated our Dline. Some may be a tell on twists, some thief scheme but mostly it was just great blocking and physical domination
That’s as bad as it can get
Yes sir. I got shotgun on your post. Good stuff
 

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You are correct, when their Oline is blowing up our D line, it opened the cut back lanes and Gurly just waltzed right over us... think about it, they pounded us for 5 yds with CT, then CT again up the middle for 4, then Gurly would go for 35 and a score... we just got FLAT out played and out coached AGAIN. The poseter who said they knew all they had to do was find what worked against us, then keep doing it. Mcvey KNEW clapper, nor our OC or DC would adjust a damn thing.
The crazy thing is that even though we couldn't stop them and our defense was fooled all game long, we still only lost by 8 points.
 

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some of us have been pushing for the jet-sweep motion type rushing attack that has a lot of deception.
yes, the same one that got our defense so confused all game

what would be needed to implement such an offense besides hiring mcvay?
a new OC?
zeke should be fine?
cooper fast enough, austin fast enough?
on the one jet sweet austin ran, it was stuff for a big loss.
what is the rams scheme doing right that cowboys coaches cannot figure out???
Good points Putty :bow::bow::bow:
New OC is a must have,
WR's are good Cooper, Austin and Gallup
Coach who will change things when thinks don't work-in time to still win game---Adjustments:lmao:
 

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Today's modern football is the same as today's workout fitness programs.

Most of these concepts were already used and developed along time ago but now they seem fresh.

Crossfit is pretty much a timed superset. Back in the day we would combine 2-4 different exercises and do them consecutively without rest - superset

Now there's a fit 40 or whatever where you try to keep your cardio level and intensity up - circuit training.

All old stuff with new twist. Football is the same
Nice point Prime Time :bow::bow::bow: What was old is new again.
 

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I actually think it was just the opposite. We were not really watching or reading. We were focused on getting upfield. I think that we thought that the Rams were going to try and throw the ball on us early. I think we were trying to hit there QB early and often because he is not the same guy when he gets hit. I don't believe we ever thought that Gurley or Anderson could run on us. As a result, we spent the who game watching guys rush upfield and take themselves out of plays. We were always in the wrong spot to make tackles, that entire game. They saw it and exploited it and that's why you saw 270 plus in the run game. We never adjusted and they continued to exploit it. They really didn't want to make us slow down. They wanted us to continue to over extend, to react quickly and to take ourselves out of plays.

That's what I saw, at least.

Reminded me of the game against the Iggles on 11/19/17 when Philthy rushed for 215 against us.
 

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Rams O-line destroyed Dallas' Defense. Manhandled them. There's your ball game. Dallas had no answer.
 

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If you watch that game again, all the misdirection and what not was a lot of nothing. The Rams pretty much ran it right down our throats, for the most part. Back a hundred years ago, when I was in HS, I played in the Delaware Wing TE. I was a Half Back in that Offense. It was predicated on a lot of misdirection but if you read your keys, then you could pretty much always know where the ball was going. The key to that Offense was the TE. Read the TE and you always knew if it was a run or a pass and if a run, where it was going. When we met teams who understood our Offense, it came down to executing blocks, making catches, making tackles and just who wanted it more.

As I watched that game last Saturday, I could not help but go back to my HS days because I was seeing the same exact thing out of the Rams Offense. They beat us, not with jet sweeps or exotic play calling. They beat us with man up blocking schemes that took advantage or our weakness. Our weakness, and it has been for as long as Garrett has been here, is our inability to adjust, in game. The Rams knew that if they could figure out a way to find something that was successful against us, they could beat us like a drum, all day, all night. We are a very good team but we don't have a great deal of experience and we are not good enough, as a team, to adjust to things on the fly. I mean, if I'm lying, I'm dying. I watched the Rams and it was very basic. The didn't do anything I haven't seen a thousand times. Seriously, nothing. They were better coached, better prepared and they had much more experience in some key areas.

I listen to fans, read posts and in todays game, youth is valued so much over experience, it's really one of the biggest differences in how the game is seen today. I believe that the game was better years ago and that the teams were better years ago. Now, I know that a lot of fans will not agree with me but let me tell you why. Today, youth is valued because the younger the cheaper against the cap. The cap is really what has been the catalyst for all of this IMO. You can't keep teams together long enough for them to really become proficient in any scheme. Used to be that you drafted players and you developed them for years. They learned their craft and they added to it, year over year. You really became a system player because you stayed in the same system, year over year. Today, that doesn't happen. What you have are players moving so often that it's tough to teach a player enough to really and truly make them great in any given system. They either have the natural ability to just outclass the guy across from them or they don't. This is why both sides of the ball are really dumbed down, for lack of a better term. I know many of you think that todays game is so much more complicated but honestly, it's not. Yeah, OCs throw more at you because if you can not really teach all aspects of any given thing, then you try to confuse all the more but it's really all the same stuff. Nothing new has been introduced, into the game of football, for the aspect of actually playing the game in 60 years. What's changed are the rules of the game and the financial drivers that force change. The game itself is the same. If players were allowed to actually learn the craft and the scheme, the could easily stop a lot of this stuff you see OCs rolling out. It doesn't take long for an OC to figure out that certain plays aren't going to work, once you blow them up a couple of times. You then get down to what your team can actually do and not what your team can try to do to confuse the other team because if you are well coached and well prepared, you aren't going to be able to confuse them. You essentially spend a lot of wasted time on new plays that won't work and that's on both sides of the ball. That is why I say that teams were better then then they are now. Not talking about Athletes here. I'm talking about actual teams.

What we saw last week was an example of this IMO. We faced a team that was better prepared. They were just better then we were. There talent is not really all that much better then ours is, IMO. There QB is a better passer but if you hit him, he looks a lot worse then Dak does if you hit Dak. There OL is not close to as talented as our is, even in our current state. There RB is not better then ours is. They might have a better one two then we do but there best guy and our best guy, it's a wash at best IMO. There WRs might be a little bit better then ours are but I'll take Gallup and Coop over there top two guys any day. There DLine has more talent then ours does, I can't argue that. Our LBs are way more talented and I think that our talent in the Secondary is also better but they were prepared. We were not and to me, that's the end of it.

Same exact thing as when I first started playing football, back when I was a kid. The team who was prepared, the team that made plays and executed won the game. Desire is a big thing in this game and you hear it from the very first practice you ever suit up for. There is a reason for that and it's not just old BS talk.
Love this.

I mentioned it in another thread - the Rams ran a shotgun version of the Wing T and it was BRILLIANT. They lined up in bunch and offset the TE into basically a wing-back who they scuttled across the formation and had block down on the attacking weak side end. It is HS basic but effective because they know you are threatened by the pass. They also take away something offenses in the NFL have done for 30 years - they keep one formation so you can’t decipher a tendency.

The run play they ran was an inside zone weakside. Basically the OL combo blocked the nose guard, gave help to the Strong DE (Lawrence) and singled the 3T (Collins). The LT chipped the other DE (Hregory then Crawford) but cleaned up with the scuttled TE. This kept them on outside contain, but by the time the RB made a cut the lg and LT were already downfield.

It worked well because the Cowboys zone- scheme respected the pass, was terrified of the outside zone run or sweep and generally did not play gap sound football.

So simple but so effective.
 

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Love this.

I mentioned it in another thread - the Rams ran a shotgun version of the Wing T and it was BRILLIANT. They lined up in bunch and offset the TE into basically a wing-back who they scuttled across the formation and had block down on the attacking weak side end. It is HS basic but effective because they know you are threatened by the pass. They also take away something offenses in the NFL have done for 30 years - they keep one formation so you can’t decipher a tendency.

The run play they ran was an inside zone weakside. Basically the OL combo blocked the nose guard, gave help to the Strong DE (Lawrence) and singled the 3T (Collins). The LT chipped the other DE (Hregory then Crawford) but cleaned up with the scuttled TE. This kept them on outside contain, but by the time the RB made a cut the lg and LT were already downfield.

It worked well because the Cowboys zone- scheme respected the pass, was terrified of the outside zone run or sweep and generally did not play gap sound football.

So simple but so effective.

is this what the rams run all the time or was it specially schemed for the cowboys
 
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