A thought at TE

[Chuck 54]

Draft the best player available in rounds 2 and 3.

 

[OmerV]

I fear we're putting way too much stock into Jarwin's one big game. The Giants safety play was atrocious.

Going into the season with Jarwin and Schultz is a mistake IMO. I hope I'm wrong.

He also had 56 yards in Game 13 and 45 yards in Game 14 on top of the 119 yards in game 16. Total of 220 yards in those 3 games late in the season. Schultz added another 77 yards in those games. It appears it just took giving those guys some targets.

 

[Stash]

Speculation

Was it "speculation" that he quit on that pick six?

 

[Cowpolk]

Schultz is our future at . TE

 

[gimmesix]

For me, it's a question of what we think we're getting. If we feel we've got a shot at a star-quality tight end with that pick, then I have no problem using it. However, I feel comfortable enough with what I saw from Jarwin and with the likelihood of development from Schultz to not force the pick.

I prefer that we use our resources to try to make the defense as stout as it could possibly be because I think it is closer to the elite level. However, if we believe we've got a shot at a Zach Ertz-quality tight end, I have no problem going for it.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Obviously I'd be down with an upgrade if you can get an Ertz, Kelce type.
Those guys are game-changers.
With that said, there are bigger fish to fry (DT, Safety, WR, DE still).
Swaim was playing pretty well before he got hurt and can probably be had cheap, along with Jarwin's strong finish & Schultz being a fourth round pick that flashed some ability late, too.
Getting the OL back to dominating & continuing to build the defense should be priority one. JMO.
Nice thread as usual, Stash.

 

[Bobhaze]

No please to the Tyler Eifert and Jared Cook thoughts. Cook is 32 and been on 3 teams in 4 years. He’s overrated. Tyler Eiffert? He’s an injury waiting to happen. He gets hurt crossing the street.

Here’s two real good young FAs that are younger, talented and not injury prone-

• Jeff Heurmann- he’s 26, played with Denver last 4 years. 3rd rounder out of Ohio State. Good blocker and caught 31 passes last year. Solid young player.
• CJ Uzomah- he’s 26 also. Played for Cincy last 4 years. Was a 5th rounder from Auburn. Had a good year last year catching 43 passes and 3 TDs.

I would feel better about guys like this than a couple of older “has beens”.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

No please to the Tyler Eifert and Jared Cook thoughts. Cook is 32 and been on 3 teams in 4 years. He’s overrated. Tyler Eiffert? He’s an injury waiting to happen. He gets hurt crossing the street.

Here’s two real good young FAs that are younger, talented and not injury prone-

• Jeff Heurmann- he’s 26, played with Denver last 4 years. 3rd rounder out of Ohio State. Good blocker and caught 31 passes last year. Solid young player.
• CJ Uzomah- he’s 26 also. Played for Cincy last 4 years. Was a 5th rounder from Auburn. Had a good year last year catching 43 passes and 3 TDs.

I would feel better about guys like this than a couple of older “has beens”.

Nice post, sir. Those are two nice names and neither would probably be too expensive.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I've been ruminating about what the Cowboys might do at TE. I really liked how both Blake Jarwin and Dalton Schultz finished the season, outside of the injury to Jarwin late. Given that, and the youth of both guys, I'm opposed to investing our top pick in the 2019 second round on adding another young player to the mix. Virtually all players take at least a year or two to get fully up to speed with the NFL game.


Jarwin and Schultz are both hitting that point in 2019, and any rookie, however talented, is going to behind either or both in that learning curve. So if you use your top pick there, the odds of proper return in 2019 are slim and none. And I would rather use that pick on improving the trenches anyway. Give me a defensive tackle or offensive guard.

But, if the team felt they needed to improve, I'd go with a veteran.

Now, this idea is fraught with risk, but also with huge reward. My idea would be to sign former Bengals TE Tyler Eifert.

Now, the obvious risk. Eifert has been hurt - a lot - these past three seasons. And has never been the picture of health during his entire NFL career. He's suffered a myriad of injuries, including coming off of a gruesome ankle injury that ended his 2018 season. That's where the huge risk comes in, and that's why a player this good is even available. High risk, high reward.

And it's the Jarwin and Schultz factors that actually make me feel OK with taking that risk. Even if or when Eifert does get injured again, you would have not one, but two backup options in place, continuing to gain experience. The Cowboys would have great insurance

But when Eifert has played? He's been a Pro Bowl caliber player and regarded as one of the best in the league in 2015. He's a willing blocker, if not a great one, but he's a matchup nightmare in the passing game. Fast enough to force teams to cover with a defensive back, big enough at 6'6" to tower over them and make plays. Versatile enough to line up outside as well.

Eifert was signed tyo a one year, $5 million range prove it deal in Cincinnati last year. And given he had another injury, he didn't prove it. So, his cost should be in that same area, or possibly even cheaper. I don't see anywhere else that you might be able to find a veteran, Pro Bowl talent near that cost.

Oh, and did I mention that his college roommate and brother-in-law is our own Zack Martin? I'd consider that to be a big plus in the equation as well.

So rather than spending out\r best draft asset and hoping that a guy develops in a year or two, I'm rolling the dice on a proven talent and injury risk. I think we have the youth and depth to do that.

I'm curious to see what everyone's thoughts are on this idea?

Naw.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Nice post, sir. Those are two nice names and neither would probably be too expensive.

You sound too obsequious.
What is your racket?

 

[armadillooutlaw]

You sound too obsequious.
What is your racket?

Don't play coy with me, sir. You know.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Don't play coy with me, sir. You know.

So eager to please.
I turned away in disgust!
Oh, servantude!

 

[armadillooutlaw]

So eager to please.
I turned away in disgust!
Oh, servantude!

Blah, blah, blah. Where is my martini, good sir? I will even accept a cold beer.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I've been ruminating about what the Cowboys might do at TE. I really liked how both Blake Jarwin and Dalton Schultz finished the season, outside of the injury to Jarwin late. Given that, and the youth of both guys, I'm opposed to investing our top pick in the 2019 second round on adding another young player to the mix. Virtually all players take at least a year or two to get fully up to speed with the NFL game.


Jarwin and Schultz are both hitting that point in 2019, and any rookie, however talented, is going to behind either or both in that learning curve. So if you use your top pick there, the odds of proper return in 2019 are slim and none. And I would rather use that pick on improving the trenches anyway. Give me a defensive tackle or offensive guard.

But, if the team felt they needed to improve, I'd go with a veteran.

Now, this idea is fraught with risk, but also with huge reward. My idea would be to sign former Bengals TE Tyler Eifert.

Now, the obvious risk. Eifert has been hurt - a lot - these past three seasons. And has never been the picture of health during his entire NFL career. He's suffered a myriad of injuries, including coming off of a gruesome ankle injury that ended his 2018 season. That's where the huge risk comes in, and that's why a player this good is even available. High risk, high reward.

And it's the Jarwin and Schultz factors that actually make me feel OK with taking that risk. Even if or when Eifert does get injured again, you would have not one, but two backup options in place, continuing to gain experience. The Cowboys would have great insurance

But when Eifert has played? He's been a Pro Bowl caliber player and regarded as one of the best in the league in 2015. He's a willing blocker, if not a great one, but he's a matchup nightmare in the passing game. Fast enough to force teams to cover with a defensive back, big enough at 6'6" to tower over them and make plays. Versatile enough to line up outside as well.

Eifert was signed tyo a one year, $5 million range prove it deal in Cincinnati last year. And given he had another injury, he didn't prove it. So, his cost should be in that same area, or possibly even cheaper. I don't see anywhere else that you might be able to find a veteran, Pro Bowl talent near that cost.

Oh, and did I mention that his college roommate and brother-in-law is our own Zack Martin? I'd consider that to be a big plus in the equation as well.

So rather than spending out\r best draft asset and hoping that a guy develops in a year or two, I'm rolling the dice on a proven talent and injury risk. I think we have the youth and depth to do that.

I'm curious to see what everyone's thoughts are on this idea?

Great points and I'm on board with improving the trenches and getting Eifert in free agency. Sometimes injured players go to a new team and stay relative healthy so it's possible he stays healthy with a change of scenery.

If you look at Superbowl teams most of them bring in some vets in free agency and/or make trades. Eagles did it last year and Rams this year just as an example. Denver is also another one. We have a chance to really improve this team, giving Cooper a full off-season with Dak will be huge. Adding a playmaking TE and loading up the defense will give us the best chance to succeed.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I've been ruminating about what the Cowboys might do at TE. I really liked how both Blake Jarwin and Dalton Schultz finished the season, outside of the injury to Jarwin late. Given that, and the youth of both guys, I'm opposed to investing our top pick in the 2019 second round on adding another young player to the mix. Virtually all players take at least a year or two to get fully up to speed with the NFL game.


Jarwin and Schultz are both hitting that point in 2019, and any rookie, however talented, is going to behind either or both in that learning curve. So if you use your top pick there, the odds of proper return in 2019 are slim and none. And I would rather use that pick on improving the trenches anyway. Give me a defensive tackle or offensive guard.

But, if the team felt they needed to improve, I'd go with a veteran.

Now, this idea is fraught with risk, but also with huge reward. My idea would be to sign former Bengals TE Tyler Eifert.

Now, the obvious risk. Eifert has been hurt - a lot - these past three seasons. And has never been the picture of health during his entire NFL career. He's suffered a myriad of injuries, including coming off of a gruesome ankle injury that ended his 2018 season. That's where the huge risk comes in, and that's why a player this good is even available. High risk, high reward.

And it's the Jarwin and Schultz factors that actually make me feel OK with taking that risk. Even if or when Eifert does get injured again, you would have not one, but two backup options in place, continuing to gain experience. The Cowboys would have great insurance

But when Eifert has played? He's been a Pro Bowl caliber player and regarded as one of the best in the league in 2015. He's a willing blocker, if not a great one, but he's a matchup nightmare in the passing game. Fast enough to force teams to cover with a defensive back, big enough at 6'6" to tower over them and make plays. Versatile enough to line up outside as well.

Eifert was signed tyo a one year, $5 million range prove it deal in Cincinnati last year. And given he had another injury, he didn't prove it. So, his cost should be in that same area, or possibly even cheaper. I don't see anywhere else that you might be able to find a veteran, Pro Bowl talent near that cost.

Oh, and did I mention that his college roommate and brother-in-law is our own Zack Martin? I'd consider that to be a big plus in the equation as well.

So rather than spending out\r best draft asset and hoping that a guy develops in a year or two, I'm rolling the dice on a proven talent and injury risk. I think we have the youth and depth to do that.

I'm curious to see what everyone's thoughts are on this idea?

He's a guy to take a look at. Given he did nothing last year, he's a good candidate for comp pick churn.

Low cost, high risk, high return medical gamble. Screams Jerry Jones bargain bin.

I generally approve of these, but I'm less enthusiastic here, with back issues in college, and 2016, 2017. But, if low risk, maybe take a swing.

Also, given how much we use TEs (Swaim was in the 90% snap range when he was playing), I can see taking another second round TE. This time, we wouldn't be doing it for a backup. I think you spend for a guy you put on the field that much.

But unless we change the offense, Eiffert isn't great for that 90% guy. We need a bigger, stronger, better blocker.

 

[Stash]

He also had 56 yards in Game 13 and 45 yards in Game 14 on top of the 119 yards in game 16. Total of 220 yards in those 3 games late in the season. Schultz added another 77 yards in those games. It appears it just took giving those guys some targets.

Exactly. I posted both players stats earlier in the thread and it's clear that both improved down the stretch and their numbers went up. It's unfortunate that Jarwin got hurt during the playoffs as it would have been interesting to see if he could have kept up the positive momentum.

 

[Stash]

He's a guy to take a look at. Given he did nothing last year, he's a good candidate for comp pick churn.

Low cost, high risk, high return medical gamble. Screams Jerry Jones bargain bin.

I generally approve of these, but I'm less enthusiastic here, with back issues in college, and 2016, 2017. But, if low risk, maybe take a swing.

Also, given how much we use TEs (Swaim was in the 90% snap range when he was playing), I can see taking another second round TE. This time, we wouldn't be doing it for a backup. I think you spend for a guy you put on the field that much.

But unless we change the offense, Eiffert isn't great for that 90% guy. We need a bigger, stronger, better blocker.

I just don't think you can find one. Certainly not for a comparable price tag.

 

[eromeopolk]

I've been ruminating about what the Cowboys might do at TE. I really liked how both Blake Jarwin and Dalton Schultz finished the season, outside of the injury to Jarwin late. Given that, and the youth of both guys, I'm opposed to investing our top pick in the 2019 second round on adding another young player to the mix. Virtually all players take at least a year or two to get fully up to speed with the NFL game.


Jarwin and Schultz are both hitting that point in 2019, and any rookie, however talented, is going to behind either or both in that learning curve. So if you use your top pick there, the odds of proper return in 2019 are slim and none. And I would rather use that pick on improving the trenches anyway. Give me a defensive tackle or offensive guard.

But, if the team felt they needed to improve, I'd go with a veteran.

Now, this idea is fraught with risk, but also with huge reward. My idea would be to sign former Bengals TE Tyler Eifert.

Now, the obvious risk. Eifert has been hurt - a lot - these past three seasons. And has never been the picture of health during his entire NFL career. He's suffered a myriad of injuries, including coming off of a gruesome ankle injury that ended his 2018 season. That's where the huge risk comes in, and that's why a player this good is even available. High risk, high reward.

And it's the Jarwin and Schultz factors that actually make me feel OK with taking that risk. Even if or when Eifert does get injured again, you would have not one, but two backup options in place, continuing to gain experience. The Cowboys would have great insurance

But when Eifert has played? He's been a Pro Bowl caliber player and regarded as one of the best in the league in 2015. He's a willing blocker, if not a great one, but he's a matchup nightmare in the passing game. Fast enough to force teams to cover with a defensive back, big enough at 6'6" to tower over them and make plays. Versatile enough to line up outside as well.

Eifert was signed tyo a one year, $5 million range prove it deal in Cincinnati last year. And given he had another injury, he didn't prove it. So, his cost should be in that same area, or possibly even cheaper. I don't see anywhere else that you might be able to find a veteran, Pro Bowl talent near that cost.

Oh, and did I mention that his college roommate and brother-in-law is our own Zack Martin? I'd consider that to be a big plus in the equation as well.

So rather than spending out\r best draft asset and hoping that a guy develops in a year or two, I'm rolling the dice on a proven talent and injury risk. I think we have the youth and depth to do that.

I'm curious to see what everyone's thoughts are on this idea?

This is well thought out and makes football sense.......



That's why Jerry Jones will never do it.

 

[Stash]

This is well thought out and makes football sense.......



That's why Jerry Jones will never do it.

Thanks, at least I tried...

 

[buybuydandavis]

I just don't think you can find one. Certainly not for a comparable price tag.

But maybe in the draft. Most other teams don't prioritize blocking like we do. Everyone else wants guys more like Eifert. Except for the injury risk tolerance.