Rumor: DLaw looking for 100mils / 70 guaranteed

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TwentyOne said:
Thats the main reason for me too.

This guy has serious back issues.

And a torn labrum is nothing to laugh about. This is not a surgery-and-forget thing. But then i dont think he had a torn labrum. With that he couldnt lift his arm at all. To me it was just an excuse for him and his (again) dropped play after half of the season. But then, thats something else to talk about.
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He didnt show up till his contract year, and this year, he did ok, but what did he do in the 2 playoff games?
Especially the rams game, that is something to look at.
It is all up to the jones boys, so I will let them decide.
 

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Hawkeye19 said:
Dallas needs to pay the man his market value for three reasons:

1. D Law balled out while injured this year and was a good soldier while playing under the tag. He is a top 3 DE right now in the NFL— pay him what he deserves

2. The philosophy the FO has established and communicated is that they want to build through the draft, develop their players, and sign their guys longterm that produce. If they let D Law walk— they lose credibility with players and the result could easily be a loss of trust that the FO will give their productive core players long term security in a very violent sport.

3. They lose further credibility with the fan base. You can’t tell us you will stay out of FA bc you want the cap to sign your best players— and then you let a guy like D Law walk. Fans will question their commitment to winning (more than they already do) and moves like this cement the narrative that the Jones family are only in this for money.

Bottom line: sign D Law for what he is worth. Honor your players when they produce and they will run through a brick wall for you.
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The main point of building from the draft is to avoid uncertainty, and thereby risk.

Lawrence has tons of risk. And wants tons of contract. We have other high performing players to sign without health and performance risk. Let's build with them. Let Lawrence walk.

Performance risk:
Lawrence "balled out" for 4 sacks in the last 10 games. 0 in the playoffs, after a week of rest, having played only 15% of snaps in the final regular season game.

He faded in the back half or 2017 as well.

2017 was likely a fluke of performance. He was coming off of 2016, where he did nothing. Teams should have expected the same in 2017. Lawrence had a tear of great games early in 2017, before anyone had reason to expect he was a player, but once he had established that, and was treated accordingly by other teams, his play has been good but not great since.

Last 26 games - 14.5 sacks. Not a bum. But not worth anywhere near the top guys, or the numbers referred to here.

Injury risk:
Two back surgeries, now a torn labrum surgery. Big risk here. 3 years of that likely means the future is not about upside.

Suspension risk:
He did get suspended for 4 games. A slip, and he's sitting for a big chunk of a season.

No. No. No. No. No.
 

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Sydla said:
Here's the issue.

If you look at defensive ends............ $70MM guaranteed would blow any DE guaranteed money out of the water with the three highest paid DEs being Watt, Jones and Vernon............ Vernon has essentially $52MM in guarantees.

Now if you look at OLBs like Mack and Miller, their guaranteed monies can get as high as $90MM and $70MM, respectively.

He wants to be paid like an OLB when his market value is probably less than that compared to DEs.

PS - By "essentially" guaranteed I mean the total potential guarantees. Miller has $70MM in potential guarantees but he was only guaranteed $42MM at signing. The other $28MM is in the form of guarantees if he's on the roster at certain points, etc. Aaron Donald was only guaranteed $50MM at signing, with potential guarantees close to $82MM.

If Lawrence wants $70MM guaranteed at signing, he ain't getting it. From anyone.
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Nice facts about "potential guarantees".

Maybe Lawrence gets that money. I just hope it isn't here.
 

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I hope it's really true he's holding out for that, because that increases the chances we don't sign him.
 
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Those are ridiculous numbers. Tag him then be done with him. Again a golden opportunity with guys on rookie deals squandered.
 
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I've been saying for a while to start looking to trade the guy. He's good. But not that good. Hopefully someone else will think he is. What would the pats do???
 

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Toruk_Makto said:
The zone never want to pay market rate for players....then complains that the front office cheaps out.
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Fact is, the free agent market is generally *bad value*. That's why you build through the draft.

You sign your own guys to extensions when they are good value and low risk. We've got plenty of healthy high performing players to give extensions to.

Last 26 games - 14.5 sacks. Not elite. Faded in the back half of the last two seasons. With significant injury history.

No.
 
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buybuydandavis said:
Fact is, the free agent market is generally *bad value*. That's why you build through the draft.

You sign your own guys to extensions when they are good value and low risk. We've got plenty of healthy high performing players to give extensions to.

Last 26 games - 14.5 sacks. Not elite. Faded in the back half of the last two seasons. With significant injury history.

No.
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Outside free agents are bad value. Signing your own dramatically increases hit rate.

You talk about good value and low risk. We reset the market with both Martin and TFred. Jones and Lawrence will be paid and well worth it.

Also please never evaluate a DE solely on sacks. It's embarrassing.
 

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Hawkeye19 said:
played through a shoulder injury the majority of the year
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Injured again this year. That is why I don't think it is a good idea to break the bank on a long term deal.

Just tag him and he will likely get hurt again next season and maybe the price will come down in 2020.
 
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buybuydandavis said:
Fact is, the free agent market is generally *bad value*. That's why you build through the draft.

You sign your own guys to extensions when they are good value and low risk. We've got plenty of healthy high performing players to give extensions to.

Last 26 games - 14.5 sacks. Not elite. Faded in the back half of the last two seasons. With significant injury history.

No.
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Last two seasons? 2 sacks more than the guy the Bears traded not one, but two #1 picks for and then signed for 6-years, $141 million.

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65 mil for 4 years would be my best offer to DLAW...something like that.
 
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