Dak 20-25mil or Tyrod Taylor 12-15Million

[Idgit]

Dak.

 

[InTheZone]

This is where we as fans think we know more then the team. Everything you said is true. But every QB has this types of plays. But just because it happens doesn’t mean that every time it happens is because of the things you just posted.

There’s plenty of interviews and articles about how bad this ol has been the past 2 seasons.

If it’s so easy to see without all22 then you should see Dak is very good at pre snap. He changes a lot of plays but the problem has been, and you have griped about this...the offense has been predictable. Teams aren’t fooled and there have been countless players who have said this too.

Ever think just maybe this is the biggest reason Linehan is no longer on this team? You can read the defense change the play but if ur system and adjustments are so robotic and predictable how are you going to be successful as a offense?

There’s a reason the team was almost unstoppable when they go hurry up and that’s because the opposing team really doesn’t know what’s gonna come because they’re not getting the time to review and react to what the team is showing.

You need to get over your hate for this QB. He’s been playing very good since Cooper was brought in. And seemed to even get better once Linehan stopped being the focal point of the play calling.

You people call it hate, I just call it how I see it.

In 2016 Dak was ranked #5 for average time to throw at 2.88 seconds. Finished with 25 sacks and 9 fumbles.
In 2017 Dak was ranked #8 for average time to throw at 2.82 seconds. Finished with 32 sacks and 4 fumbles.
In 2018 Dak was ranked #10 for average time to throw at 2.82 seconds. Finished with 56 sacks and 12 fumbles. How can anyone spin this?

You "haters" can dismiss his regression all you want, it's evident that even if he is changing the plays more often he's making the wrong read because something isn't adding up. Linehan was here all 3 years, defenses know Daks tendencies more than ever.

And the sack count adds up with my point of Dak simply was hesitant to throw or simply was overwhelmed because he's being asked to do more now than before. You people blaming Linehan for everything are going to be fun to watch when we get similar results with Moore. And instead of acknowledging there may be a QB issue it'll just be "Moore sucks, Jerry/Jason is a moron for not plucking some 'popular' name elsewhere". And not to mention Dak has a pretty solid team around him on both sides and isn't having to play with undrafted project players who won't make a team elsewhere. Maybe some people have lower standards, I'm tired of the excuses. Steady progression every year or find a new player, regardless of position.

 

[LatinMind]

Here’s from AdamJT
For Cowboys fans interested in Dak Prescott's sack-fumble rates, he has improved each season, from 1 every 4.5 sacks as a rookie to 1 every 8 sacks in 2017 to 1 every 8.43 sacks in 2018 (including the unoffical sack-fumble vs. DET).

 

[ColoradoCowboy]

Like everything else, it depends.

If the question is simply: Dak or Tyrod? I'll take Dak every single time.


But if you threw some variables in there...

How about the Cardinals offer Chandler Jones and two firsts, including #1 overall this year for Dak? Yeah, I'd take that and sign Tyrod. Of course, I might ask for Rosen instead of Jones and then NOT sign Tyrod.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

LOL @ Dak slobberers describing Dak as a perennial Pro bowler. You think they would at least wait a few years for us to forget that he was a fill in for a fill in for a fill in.

Dak statistically is the exact same caliber of QB as Tyrod Taylor, and nationally Dak is viewed as the same type of QB. Dak slobberers turn their nose up at Taylor (ignorantly), but yet they can't understand why Dak isn't viewed as a god.

You’re probably closer to a Dak slobberer than I am. Tyrod is not even starting QB material.

 

[baltcowboy]

Are they going to stop televising preseason games?

I hope so. Those games are hard to watch.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

You’re probably closer to a Dak slobberer than I am. Tyrod is not even starting QB material.

And neither is Dak if you put him on the Browns.

And it doesn't change the fact that Tyrod is every bit as good as Dak, if not better, supported by many metrics (including the Dak slobberer favorite, rushing).

 

[Alexander]

And neither is Dak if you put him on the Browns.

And it doesn't change the fact that Tyrod is every bit as good as Dak, if not better, supported by many metrics (including the Dak slobberer favorite, rushing).

Mayfield came in on that same team and led them to victories and came close to the playoffs.

Tyrod Taylor is an average QB. I don't think Prescott is top shelf, but he is clearly a step better than Taylor.

The only reason Taylor appears better to you is that he has never been asked to turn into something he's not.

And I am clearly no Dak slobberer either.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Mayfield came in on that same team and led them to victories and came close to the playoffs.

Tyrod Taylor is an average QB. I don't think Prescott is top shelf, but he is clearly a step better than Taylor.

The only reason Taylor appears better to you is that he has never been asked to turn into something he's not.

And I am clearly no Dak slobberer either.

If Dak is better than Taylor, then make your case. I don't see it at all. They look like the same guy. They are both darlings of ESPN's QBR (both have 2 top 10 finishes in their last 3 seasons starting) but the two are dead last in pass attempts over the same window. Taylor is a better deep thrower, one of the best in the league actually, but is not as good at short and intermediate as Dak. Dak has thrown the ball a little bit more and Taylor has rushed the ball a little bit more. They both have had extremely low usage and paltry passing totals compared to other QBs and played on run dominated teams. Both are sacked a lot.
There is zero evidence that Dak is better than Tyrod Taylor.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

And neither is Dak if you put him on the Browns.

And it doesn't change the fact that Tyrod is every bit as good as Dak, if not better, supported by many metrics (including the Dak slobberer favorite, rushing).

For his career, Tyrod completes 5%(!) fewer passes than Dak, for nearly half a yard less per attempt. So not only is he much more of a Checkdown Charlie, he’s bad at it. His TD% is much lower, which his INT percentage is roughly equivalent. But because it’s for INTs per attempt, and his accuracy is so much lower, Dak completes far higher percentage of his passes to his team than his opponents team than Tyrod does.

Tyrod also gets sacked a lot more per 100 drop backs, but you can chalk that up to coverage sacks or Oline or whatever. The difference in the two QBs is pretty significant.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

For his career, Tyrod completes 5%(!) fewer passes than Dak, for nearly half a yard less per attempt. So not only is he much more of a Checkdown Charlie, he’s bad at it. His TD% is much lower, which his INT percentage is roughly equivalent. But because it’s for INTs per attempt, and his accuracy is so much lower, Dak completes far higher percentage of his passes to his team than his opponents team than Tyrod does.

Tyrod also gets sacked a lot more per 100 drop backs, but you can chalk that up to coverage sacks or Oline or whatever. The difference in the two QBs is pretty significant.

You can not compare their numbers directly because they have not played at the exact same time. I get tired of explaining this to Dak slobberers.
Completion percentage is a meaningless stat. If you look at their adjusted net yards per attempt over their starts, they are also roughly equivalent. So is their passer rating when adjusted for season.
In the biggest irony, you completely left out the significant advantage on the ground Taylor has as he’s rushed for over 1800 yards in his career.
Again, there is no difference at all between the two as both of them are among the least prolific passers in the game right now.

 

[Hook'em#11]

Why is this nonsense even posted. Dak.. Geeze.

 

[JW82]

You’re fired.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

You can not compare their numbers directly because they have not played at the exact same time. I get tired of explaining this to Dak slobberers.
Completion percentage is a meaningless stat. If you look at their adjusted net yards per attempt over their starts, they are also roughly equivalent. So is their passer rating when adjusted for season.
In the biggest irony, you completely left out the significant advantage on the ground Taylor has as he’s rushed for over 1800 yards in his career.
Again, there is no difference at all between the two as both of them are among the least prolific passers in the game right now.

You claim they’re exactly the same, yet you say you can’t compare them because of the timing of their careers. You’re just throwing stuff at the wall hoping something sticks so you win an argument. Tyrod runs more because he’s inaccurate and gives up on plays other QBs can make. Adjusted passer rating? Passer rating is a terrible stat, it ignores all circumstance.

Tyrod no longer starts in the nfl because he failed when he got a shot. He’s not a terrible qb, he’s just not on Dak’s level. But tell me again how important adjusted passer rating is to your football acumen.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

You claim they’re exactly the same, yet you say you can’t compare them because of the timing of their careers. You’re just throwing stuff at the wall hoping something sticks so you win an argument. Tyrod runs more because he’s inaccurate and gives up on plays other QBs can make. Adjusted passer rating? Passer rating is a terrible stat, it ignores all circumstance.

Tyrod no longer starts in the nfl because he failed when he got a shot. He’s not a terrible qb, he’s just not on Dak’s level. But tell me again how important adjusted passer rating is to your football acumen.

You don't even understand the concepts I'm trying to explain to you because you're a football simpleton. You think Dak is better than Roger Staubach because he has better stats and unfortunately you have no idea how to "adjust" those stats to show Roger is better. Trying to explain these concepts to you is a waste of time, you'd be better served going back to watching the Disney Channel.
Tyrod no longer starts because he had the #1 pick in the draft sitting behind him waiting to take over for him, and Dak wouldn't start any more if he were in Cleveland either (or anywhere else for that matter). Go crawl back under your rock, hopefully you can go find a "football acumen" there.

And all of a sudden NOW Dak slobberers want to downplay rushing QBs. LOL!

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

You don't even understand the concepts I'm trying to explain to you because you're a football simpleton. You think Dak is better than Roger Staubach because he has better stats and unfortunately you have no idea how to "adjust" those stats to show Roger is better. Trying to explain these concepts to you is a waste of time, you'd be better served going back to watching the Disney Channel.
Tyrod no longer starts because he had the #1 pick in the draft sitting behind him waiting to take over for him, and Dak wouldn't start any more if he were in Cleveland either (or anywhere else for that matter). Go crawl back under your rock, hopefully you can go find a "football acumen" there.

Tyrod didn’t play 40 years ago, he was starting not 2 years ago. And Baker isn’t the reason he’s not starting. THE BUFFALO BILLS said no thanks. Two teams would have rathered spend 1 round picks on drafted QBs than watch him drop games in the same offseason. That is unprecedented. Tyrod isn’t just a backup in Cleveland, he’s arguably a backup on 32 nfl franchises, including Dallas.

Tyrod is a veteran, 30-year-old by-opening-day QB who was benched last year not because Baker was behind him, but because he couldn’t complete 50% of his passes to save his career.

Dak is a young QB who has an opportunity to develop into a better player as he goes into his prime. Tyrod is progressively getting worse and worse since his ‘breakout’ 2015, when his single best season had a QBR worse than Dak’s career average. A substantially more accurate stat than passer rating.

Disney channel? Bad guesser.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Tyrod didn’t play 40 years ago, he was starting not 2 years ago. And Baker isn’t the reason he’s not starting. THE BUFFALO BILLS said no thanks. Two teams would have rathered spend 1 round picks on drafted QBs than watch him drop games in the same offseason. That is unprecedented. Tyrod isn’t just a backup in Cleveland, he’s arguably a backup on 32 nfl franchises, including Dallas.

Tyrod is a veteran, 30-year-old by-opening-day QB who was benched last year not because Baker was behind him, but because he couldn’t complete 50% of his passes to save his career.

Dak is a young QB who has an opportunity to develop into a better player as he goes into his prime. Tyrod is progressively getting worse and worse since his ‘breakout’ 2015, when his single best season had a QBR worse than Dak’s career average. A substantially more accurate stat than passer rating.

Dak is also getting progressively worse, and QBR your "substantially more accurate stat" says that Dak was the 17th best QB in the league last year. And yes, let's just pretend that Dak's circumstances here are the exact same as Cleveland (or Buffalo for that matter). You can continue to cry all you want, Dak is not a noticeable improvement on Taylor. Also QBR doesn't have a career "average", thats not how it works. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Dak is also getting progressively worse, and QBR your "substantially more accurate stat" says that Dak was the 17th best QB in the league last year. And yes, let's just pretend that Dak's circumstances here are the exact same as Cleveland (or Buffalo for that matter). You can continue to cry all you want, Dak is not a noticeable improvement on Taylor. Also QBR doesn't have a career "average", thats not how it works. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

You followed right along comparing stat for stat with adjusted numbers and total rushing yards which don’t account for ‘Cleveland circumstance.’ You can’t call someone else out for something you were willfully partaking in.

You said he’s not good enough to start for anyone. Now you’re acknowledging he was 17th best. So which is it?

And yes QBR does have a career average, as can any quantifiable statistic. Just because you’re failing to get pro-football-reference to show it to you doesn’t make it law.



In the end l, there’s only 1 stat that matters: the number 1. That’s how many more teams are willing to give Dak a chance to be starting QB in the NFL than Tyrod. You think Tyrod is better than Dak? Why is no one trading for him? 5-6 teams with starting QB question marks will get new passers in 2019, and none of the new starters will be a Taylor. Because 32 nfl GMs disagree with your assessment. We’re comparing the 17th best QB in the nfl to a career backup.

 

[Oh_Canada]

I’ll have whatever you are smokin’

 

[Super_Kazuya]

You followed right along comparing stat for stat with adjusted numbers and total rushing yards which don’t account for ‘Cleveland circumstance.’ You can’t call someone else out for something you were willfully partaking in.

You said he’s not good enough to start for anyone. Now you’re acknowledging he was 17th best. So which is it?

And yes QBR does have a career average, as can any quantifiable statistic. Just because you’re failing to get pro-football-reference to show it to you doesn’t make it law.



In the end l, there’s only 1 stat that matters: the number 1. That’s how many more teams are willing to give Dak a chance to be starting QB in the NFL than Tyrod. You think Tyrod is better than Dak? Why is no one trading for him? 5-6 teams with starting QB question marks will get new passers in 2019, and none of the new starters will be a Taylor. Because 32 nfl GMs disagree with your assessment. We’re comparing the 17th best QB in the nfl to a career backup.

No, you don't get it... QBR literally doesn't have a career average. That isn't how it works. You can't say a guy had a 50 QBR and then a 70 QBR and his career average is 60. ESPN created the stat, not pfr (lol). ESPN has a lot of articles on QBR, you need to read them before you spout your ignorant nonsense... but the summary is that it's a season adjusted stat and a career average wouldn't make any sense in that context. Quick, what is Dak's career QBR? Why did they leave it blank?

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/platform/ios/id/2577417/dak-prescott

And please stop with the nonsense... there is zero evidence that any GM would start Dak besides Jerry. Most of the quotes we have on Dak from GMs is when they unanimously said they all still would rather have Wentz than Dak even when he was in the middle of his Rookie of the Year season.