Jane Slater re: Earl Thomas

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I understand all of what you said and agree with most of it however, the last three words is where I usually get stuck and the player's argument rings hallow for me. According to overthcap, Bell has earned $15,978,253 thus far in his career and was set to make another $14.5M last year had he played. Is that Todd Gurley money in terms of total contract value? No, it is not. But if you cannot provide "long term security" for you, your family, your children and more than likely your grandchildren with $30M then, in my opinion, you are doing something very wrong.

Not speaking about in general, talking about in the context of potential contracts. He wants a multi-year deal that protects him against injury not a single yr. In such a violent game and as such disposable commodoties that's the right play.
 

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Not speaking about in general, talking about in the context of potential contracts. He wants a multi-year deal that protects him against injury not a single yr. In such a violent game and as such disposable commodoties that's the right play.

Understand and I have no problems with Bell trying to maximize his earnings in a violent sport. My only issue, not with you or your post, is when players use the "long term security" argument. I envision a guy like Bell decked out in expensive clothes, living in a mansion, driving a european sports car trying to get sympathy from a bunch of people living paycheck to paycheck using the "long term security" argument. It just rubs me the wrong way.
 

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The only thing we have an advantage with is tax purposes like everyone always says with Texas but earl knows that already. I think he’s just waiting to get that call from jerry saying ok we’ve upped our offer. 10.5 million
 

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Understand and I have no problems with Bell trying to maximize his earnings in a violent sport. My only issue, not with you or your post, is when players use the "long term security" argument. I envision a guy like Bell decked out in expensive clothes, living in a mansion, driving a european sports car trying to get sympathy from a bunch of people living paycheck to paycheck using the "long term security" argument. It just rubs me the wrong way.

yeah I knew what you meant right away. I was just trying to clarify I don't mean it it that way, I mean it in the length of earning long term. I'm not crying for any multimillionaires
 

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He was going to get 10 mil at signing. The instant pen hit paper. By the first snap he took he’d be looking at a cool 21-22 mil guaranteed. Come the start of his second season after the deal was signed its up to 33 mil. By the third, 45 total.

Freeman was the highest paid RB at the time of that offer, making 8 mil a year. They offered bell 14-15.
Now I get that he wants guaranteed money, but the only way he wasn’t getting it was if the Steelers cut him before the start of the league year during the offseason. They’d do that for one of a couple reasons, attitude or production(a lack there of) at which point he’d be free to negotiate a deal for new guarantees as he’s doing now.

So he wants the big money at signing. Is that because he himself doesn’t think he’d maintain production? The rolling guarantees structure like that is almost always protected va injury, so he wasn’t risking losing it for an injury.


It’s not that different from Todd Gurleys deal.
Except he got 21 at signing.
He still will only collect the full 45 in guarantees after the third day of the 2020 league year. So the third season after signing his contract. EXACTLY THE SAME AS BELLS.

If I understand all of this correctly

The Steelers could of cut him after the first year.
The only fully guaranteed part of the contract was the 10mil signing bonus. Gurley got 45 fully guaranteed.
Now of course the Steelers may of thought to of kept him longer than just a year and his play could of been worth the cap hit in year 2 and 3. And in that case Bell gets paid. Technically, the franchise tag had more guaranteed money than the offer he got from the Steelers.

When Brown got re-signed by the Steelers in 17, his base salary was only 900k. He got 19mil signing bonus. So he took home 19.9mil that year.
Odds are the base salary for Bell would of been very very low, making his take home closer to 11mil to 16mil for the 2018 season. The contract was never finalized, so who knows how the final breakdown would of been like.

Devonta Freeman got 15mil signing bonus(1.25 mil base salary so 16.125 total paid first year). McCoy got 18mil at signing in 2015.
Why would Bell take 10 at signing in 2018?
Like you said Gurley got 21 mil SB. He took home 21mil(SB) and 900k from his base salary for a total of 21.9mil.

If they cut him cause of production issues, that sets the team up nicely but then the player now has a down year on his record and more than likely won't get that payday he originally wanted. The Steelers used him a lot, in carries and catches, so it stands that more than likely his self life wouldn't be that long. The rolling guarantees don't cover production slips, or if he had an ACL injury that was deemed "cleared" before the new season started.

I think Bell was being maybe a smidge more greedy than the rest, in his quest to be paid more than a traditional RB got.
 

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I guess the Pats are suckers too, they don't win much do they embracing the pay for what they perceive is true player value, only difference is one FO knows football the other doesn't.
We have to stop claiming we are similar to the Patriots in any way. Belichick does not have one single-minded, boxed-in strategy on talent acquisition. He adapts to the availability of talent. If he likes the draft, he acquires and uses extra picks. If he thinks the draft is weaker one year, he trades picks for veterans. He moves on from players before their contract demands exceed his perceived worth of that player. When it comes to high-priced free agents, and this is where so many Cowboy fans pretend to be blind and not see it, he'll go out and get them. When he signed Stephon Gilmore a few years back, he was the #1 CB on free agency, and he got top dollar from New England as well.
 

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We have to stop claiming we are similar to the Patriots in any way. Belichick does not have one-single minded, boxed in strategy on talent acquisition. He adapts to the availability of talent. If he likes the draft, he acquires and uses extra picks. If he thinks the draft is weaker one year, he trades picks for veterans. He moves on from players before their contract demands exceed his perceived worth of that player. When it comes to high-priced free agents, and this is where so many Cowboy fans pretend to be blind and not see it, he'll go out and get them. When he signed Stephon Gilmore a few years back, he was the #1 CB on free agency, and he got top dollar from New England as well.

1000%.....Belichek adapts to what talent he has...imagine that
 

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We have to stop claiming we are similar to the Patriots in any way. Belichick does not have one-single minded, boxed in strategy on talent acquisition. He adapts to the availability of talent. If he likes the draft, he acquires and uses extra picks. If he thinks the draft is weaker one year, he trades picks for veterans. He moves on from players before their contract demands exceed his perceived worth of that player. When it comes to high-priced free agents, and this is where so many Cowboy fans pretend to be blind and not see it, he'll go out and get them. When he signed Stephon Gilmore a few years back, he was the #1 CB on free agency, and he got top dollar from New England as well.

Any Cowboys fans who claims we operate like the Patriots is a blind homer, plain and simple.

We are nothing like the Patriots. We don't operate the same way, we clearly don't have the same level of coaching, we don't have a similar culture and we don't acquire players and manage the roster similarly.

But other than that, yeah, we are similar. Dolts.
 

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I can't fathom not getting this done if he only wants two years.

We have the cap space to do this. This is just Stephen Jones being stubborn if we don't come off $8 million a year.

Thomas is like exactly what this defense needs -- besides more pass rush help. But there is no available combination of quality and value anywhere near what Thomas could bring to the table. The guy had 3 interceptions in 4 games last year. He's not washed up yet.

He's a true centerfielder free safety.

Two years, $28 million, whatever. Get this deal done.
 

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Given the teams who agreed to terms with other safeties today, the Cowboys aren't the only ones not interested in ET at $14 million per season.

A 30 year old player, 9 year veteran, who has missed 19 games the last 3 seasons comes with risk. I'm not opposed to adding ET, but giving him the biggest contract of his life and expecting 16 games of All Pro production is more likely fantasy than reality.
This
The dude has missed a lot of games
And is on the wrong side of 30
How bout 8 million a year and incentives?
 

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We have to stop claiming we are similar to the Patriots in any way. Belichick does not have one single-minded, boxed-in strategy on talent acquisition. He adapts to the availability of talent. If he likes the draft, he acquires and uses extra picks. If he thinks the draft is weaker one year, he trades picks for veterans. He moves on from players before their contract demands exceed his perceived worth of that player. When it comes to high-priced free agents, and this is where so many Cowboy fans pretend to be blind and not see it, he'll go out and get them. When he signed Stephon Gilmore a few years back, he was the #1 CB on free agency, and he got top dollar from New England as well.
Belichick is Proteus
 

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3 yr / 38 million 21million guaranteed
2019 3 million base / 7 million prorate
2020 6 million base / 7 million prorate
2021 8 million base with 2 million roster bonus March 17 with 7 million prorate

Year 3 of course could be taken off books with only 7 in dead cash plus he gets his basic 2 year 30 million
 

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Was watching NFLN and Jane Slater was reporting on the Cowboys and Earl Thomas. She noted the other recently signed deals (re: safeties) and mentioned Thomas is looking for something similar to Landon Collins (per year annually) but that the Cowboys are “looking for him to come down to the $8-9M range.”

This team is all in.
All in?......yea they are...:laugh:....I guess if laying on the beach in the Bahamas drinking non stop cocktails during the start of one of the most active time of the season is Jerry's version of being "all in" then I guess we are.
 

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Just sign ET already, Cowboys.

We all know he will be worth more than the four or five bargain free agents they are planning to sign. Just get Thomas and prepare for the draft.

We can live without this year's Deonte Thompson, Marcus Martin, and Kony Ealy, really, we can.
 
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