PFT: Should Zeke hold out for a new deal?

[mattjames2010]

I'll say it again. You can dismiss it but it doesn't change the fact.
Zeke had a very good year. He got his carries and they resulted in yards.
Defenses are 100% sold out on stopping Zeke.
Trust me. I know football.

You apparently don't. This board seems to have stalled out on expanding their football knowledge in the 90s to the point they can't understand why superstar RBs don't matter much anymore and don't translate into getting trophies. I have a thread on this - one that I believe you hopped into and were incapable of understanding.

Zeke had a mediocre season with high carry count that brought his numbers up. I care about scoring when we are a run first team - he wasn't scoring enough for the amount of times he touched the ball.

Compare him to Barkley who ran behind a worse offensive line and had less carries.

 

[Whirlwin]

It's all about balance and Innovation on offense. They knew exactly what we were doing last season. Was it because the play-calling was that horrible. Are they didn't want to leave this young defense in.

 

[Whirlwin]

You apparently don't. This board seems to have stalled out on expanding their football knowledge in the 90s to the point they can't understand why superstar RBs don't matter much anymore and don't translate into getting trophies. I have a thread on this - one that I believe you hopped into and were incapable of understanding.

Zeke had a mediocre season with high carry count that brought his numbers up. I care about scoring when we are a run first team - he wasn't scoring enough for the amount of times he touched the ball.

Compare him to Barkley who ran behind a worse offensive line and had less carries.

Barkley Le'Veon Bell. The kid from Carolina and Ezekiel Elliott. I don't really believe this one better than another just different styles. I would have taken Ramsey in the first round. I never would have taken a running back with the 4th overall pick if my memory serves me correctly I believe that's what he was. I've Been a Cowboy fan since Rodger Staubach first game. When I was in the military overseas all you could get was the Cowboys. I live football Cowboy football.

 

[Whirlwin]

The Giants game was such an important game for this offense. I believe the Rams game was Men playing against boys in the pits. If Prescott had an opportunity to have the ball in his hands last to win that game I believe he wins it. I don't know why we didn't use Beasley has much as we should have. This is not the same old Cowboys. I love it

 

[Whirlwin]

If a defense cannot get pressure up the middle. You cannot win in this league. I've been begging for a defensive tackle for three or four seasons now. If you can't push the center back into the quarterback's face so he can't Step Up. I don't care how good the edge rushing is. Quarterback steps up and never going to get there. If I'm concentrating on anything I'm concentrating on the defensive line middle

 

[Whirlwin]

That's how you win this league your offensive Center the defensive tackle middle linebacker strong safety. That's what you need to be solid that's where I believe you spend the money. Obviously quarterback LOL

 

[dsturgeon]

I don't think any player should hold out. You made a deal and signed a contract. If a player does not perform to his contract, owners can not withhold their paychecks. They are only allowed to move within the framework of the contract. Football is a team game, and when you hold out you hinder everyone involved.

I would run zeke into the ground for five years with the possibility of franchising him. Then I would draft a replacement. If he holds out I would do like the steelers did, and then never invest that highly in a rb again.

Different positions have different values. RB's burn out and get beat up, if they want long term security, it should come with a deduction. Bigger money on a short deal, or less money on a long term security deal, or incentive based.

 

[HappyOnions]

Let Zeke go if he wants Bell money...

This team could win with a RB by committee... I truly believe that.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Complain about Zeke's lack of long runs all you want - he put up 2,000 scrimmage yards on some fairly high efficiency. That is elite production no matter how you get it, and Zeke got it in spite of a passing game, OL, and coaching staff that all struggled pretty mightily at different parts of the year.

It kind of reminds me about how people complain about Cooper - "he's boom and bust", "he's too high variance": well the final numbers work out to WR1 territory, so after he does that consistently for 3 years, what are you going to call him. "Zeke doesn't run away from people", "Zeke's too heavy" - well he's averaged about 130 scrimmage yards a game in every season of his career, and he gets it pretty efficiently. That's stud RB production if I've ever seen it, and nitpicking his play doesn't diminish how he got it. It's like

And I just don't buy the TD argument. Zeke's got 34 scores through 40 career games, and even if you think scoring TDs is a skill rather than a product of situation, Zeke punches the ball through in short yardage as well as any back in the league. So a lack of scoring is just not a real concern. I'll bet my last dollar that he has positive TD regression next year.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Passing-game role makes Ezekiel Elliott even more valuable
Posted by Mike Florio on March 19, 2019, 1:21 PM EDT

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ole-makes-ezekiel-elliott-even-more-valuable/

To the chagrin of Cowboys fans and fantasy owners who simply want Ezekiel Elliott to continue to show up and play without hesitation, I’ve got more to say about a guy who should consider taking a stand for a second contract before his current employer physically chews him up and spits him out.

Beyond Elliott’s value in the running game, where he gained 1,434 yards on 304 attempts, Elliott added a whopping 77 receptions last year, for another 567 yards. That’s 381 touches, and 2,001 yards from scrimmage.

 

[conner01]

It's his only leverage .....look what did to DeMarco Murray 2014. Ran him to the ground on his contract year. He not only stood tall staying healthy but lead the league in rushing and targets but guess what happened when time to talk contract. This is why I'm 100% convinced Zeke is sending a message to Stephen, this will not happen to me. Again I can see him playing it cool this season but it would surprise me at all if start miss offseason programs and training 2020 if they ARE IN SERIOUS NEGOTIATION and I personally don't blame him.

I get the players perspective
But in the end they agreed to this system
I just get frustrated with the drama of a guy with time left on a contract and system they voted to approve and agreed to

 

[Whirlwin]

Complain about Zeke's lack of long runs all you want - he put up 2,000 scrimmage yards on some fairly high efficiency. That is elite production no matter how you get it, and Zeke got it in spite of a passing game, OL, and coaching staff that all struggled pretty mightily at different parts of the year.

It kind of reminds me about how people complain about Cooper - "he's boom and bust", "he's too high variance": well the final numbers work out to WR1 territory, so after he does that consistently for 3 years, what are you going to call him. "Zeke doesn't run away from people", "Zeke's too heavy" - well he's averaged about 130 scrimmage yards a game in every season of his career, and he gets it pretty efficiently. That's stud RB production if I've ever seen it, and nitpicking his play doesn't diminish how he got it. It's like

And I just don't buy the TD argument. Zeke's got 34 scores through 40 career games, and even if you think scoring TDs is a skill rather than a product of situation, Zeke punches the ball through in short yardage as well as any back in the league. So a lack of scoring is just not a real concern. I'll bet my last dollar that he has positive TD regression next year.

Give any running back in this league 75% of the snaps.. you're bound to see the same results

 

[Melonfeud]

So run the hell out of him as long as we can on "cheap money" and let him walk? I don't like this at all......

Remember 2015.......tried this. In fact, it was soo bad, they tried in vain to bring Murray before the 2016 draft.

Hey Man! Just how much more money
( rough estimate) did that #29 make bag on with the chippester as compared to what our FOOTBALL DaD put out on that negotiating table anyway? As I 've always had that meaningless itch to finding out without having to dig deep on my own behalf,,,er,,,cuz' it is pretty much a curiosity of an meaningless itch to begin with, ya know,anyway ,all I recall gleaming from this forums chatter was that the cash chasm wasn't that far apart.

 

[Melonfeud]

And yet he produced at a high level
Zeke is as durable as they come.
He most likely will be performing at this level in eight years from now.

,,,8 years?,,,er,,, Ya know Hard line?
(Maybe at least you should've planned #b on it anyway ) that is around year 2026/2027 where more than likely 70% of the world population & WaldoPuttys will have long been turned to fresh dirt thru that whole worm poop process ,ya know?

 

[CouchCoach]

A few teams thinking they are one piece away would trade for him LOL

Trent freakin' Richardson got Browns some picks. Zeke would have some stupid team give up some valuable picks for him.

They would have to showcase more of his dual threat talent in the passing game to get a 1st.

 

[mattjames2010]

Complain about Zeke's lack of long runs all you want - he put up 2,000 scrimmage yards on some fairly high efficiency. That is elite production no matter how you get it, and Zeke got it in spite of a passing game, OL, and coaching staff that all struggled pretty mightily at different parts of the year.

It kind of reminds me about how people complain about Cooper - "he's boom and bust", "he's too high variance": well the final numbers work out to WR1 territory, so after he does that consistently for 3 years, what are you going to call him. "Zeke doesn't run away from people", "Zeke's too heavy" - well he's averaged about 130 scrimmage yards a game in every season of his career, and he gets it pretty efficiently. That's stud RB production if I've ever seen it, and nitpicking his play doesn't diminish how he got it. It's like

And I just don't buy the TD argument. Zeke's got 34 scores through 40 career games, and even if you think scoring TDs is a skill rather than a product of situation, Zeke punches the ball through in short yardage as well as any back in the league. So a lack of scoring is just not a real concern. I'll bet my last dollar that he has positive TD regression next year.

He touched the ball more than any other RB in the league. "scrimmage yards" and "rushing titles" are about as meaningless as QB passing yards.

The dude doesn't score and can't take it to the house. That's a problem.

 

[beware_d-ware]

He touched the ball more than any other RB in the league. "scrimmage yards" and "rushing titles" are about as meaningless as QB passing yards.

The dude doesn't score and can't take it to the house. That's a problem.

So the guy who banged in 25 TDs in his first 25 games "doesn't score", lol.

Linehan is now gone, Zeke will get fed more in the RZ by default, and his TD numbers will go right back up. Positive regression.

 

[DIAF]

play out the deal, get in on the option, and then let him go. We are riding him HARD and he's not going to last. Do NOT give him big money.

 

[DIAF]

He touched the ball more than any other RB in the league. "scrimmage yards" and "rushing titles" are about as meaningless as QB passing yards.

The dude doesn't score and can't take it to the house. That's a problem.

He'd have way more TDs if Dak wasn't vulturing 6 TDs a year on the ground.

TDs are flukey. Zeke is awesome and your argument is dumb. However, we should NOT pay him.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

The Giants game was such an important game for this offense. I believe the Rams game was Men playing against boys in the pits. If Prescott had an opportunity to have the ball in his hands last to win that game I believe he wins it. I don't know why we didn't use Beasley has much as we should have. This is not the same old Cowboys. I love it

If you're referring as to why Beasley wasn't used much in the Rams game, he was playing on an injured ankle.

If you meant why Dallas didn't use Beasley more overall, it was probably Scott Linehan's fault.