What position is most likely to be BPA at 58?

[CouchCoach]

Straight BPA? No.................BPA in a position of need? Yes

You can go strictly BPA when you're solid at every position...we are not..........we have needs at several positions.

So the reaching for a need doesn't apply? I do believe there will be a lot of ties at that 58th spot with probably a WR in there as well so the need is the tiebreaker.

And I do not happen to think reaching for need is a bad thing. I remember so many upset about Yosemite in the 1st and stating they could have waited, which was nothing more that guessing. I didn't see so much of that last season when he was missing.

I can see them trading up in the 2nd because there is a "target" there like Lawrence was when they drafted him. And I agree about the many needs to upgrade the starters which is exacerbated by the lack of emergence of Charleton and availability of Gregory. I can see a replay of the Lawrence trade up for the same position.

 

[CouchCoach]

If we pick a linebacker at 58 when we have Smith, LVE and Lee, I may jump off a cliff.

I believe in relative BPA. In other words, there are generally several players clustered together, giving you the opportunity to choose the one who fits the greatest need. Now, sometimes a player slips through who is just head and shoulder above the rest, but generally it's more like our second last year where everyone through Philly stole our tight end while we just turned around and took OL Connor Williams.

I would not put a LB in that crew that has never played a full season and when he did finally play last season, he didn't look like much of a starter to me. Wilson was better than he was.

 

[CouchCoach]

That’s probably where the talent will be

Pretty significant drop off from the two picked to go in the first from WIS and the rest of the field. Why take another 2nd level TE? They already have that.

 

[RodeoJake]

Couldn't agree more as each draft seems to take on it's own personality. One year the OL came flying off the board when no mock guy had more than 2 in the top 15, I believe there were 7.

The BPA thing gets tricky because of what Dustin said but what if either of those LB's is there? Bush is like another Dexter Coakley, both pass rusher and coverage LB with that speed and another sideline to sideline guy.

And the posts about the depth in the DL is fact but does that faze the FO? Have we seen them value a DT since Johnson and Parcells were the HC's? So, don't you think that DT position gets dropped as a GPA because of perceived need?

If a player at a position of strength falls to our pick, we'll probably see a trade. I just can't see taking a LB there. Besides special teams, you can justify taking a player of any other position.

 

[Doomsday101]

I tend to lean towards BPA that fits a need. If we say at 58 there is a DT, DE, Safety and a TE then which ever of those players I have graded the highest is the player I would take. One thing I would clearly avoid is any player who fails the drug test at the combines.

 

[CouchCoach]

If we pick a linebacker at 58 when we have Smith, LVE and Lee, I may jump off a cliff.

I believe in relative BPA. In other words, there are generally several players clustered together, giving you the opportunity to choose the one who fits the greatest need. Now, sometimes a player slips through who is just head and shoulder above the rest, but generally it's more like our second last year where everyone through Philly stole our tight end while we just turned around and took OL Connor Williams.

Jury is still out and I'd take Goedert over Williams all day long and I think they would have too.

 

[dallasdave]

We've listed our needs which include DE, DT, OL and S as the highest need but what if the BPA is LB or RB?

Is there not a need for a 3rd LB since Wilson is gone and what about a hybrid RB to add to the weapons on offense? What about adding speed to the RB's?

The answer lies in what it is easier to build and to me, that is offense. The best D in the league, stat wise, was CHI and they couldn't advance and the two teams in the NFCCG hardly had great D's.

What if the BPA is a RB? Take him or go for need? What if he's a good enough back to replace Elliott in 2020 and that's one less position to be concerned about with the amount he will want?

And what if Michigan LB, Devin Bush, is there at 58? Or AL's Mack Wilson?

It is unlikely that either of those LB's is there but every year a position slips and changes the BPA position.

So, are you a BPA or needs picker?

WR or LB

 

[Verdict]

I just hope that they stay true to their board. When they have done that (most every year except the Taco pick) they have hit on a really good player.

I think the Taco pick was a lot like the Manziel situation. In the Manziel year they stuck with their board. In the Taco year they forced the pick.

 

[xwalker]

We've listed our needs which include DE, DT, OL and S as the highest need but what if the BPA is LB or RB?

Is there not a need for a 3rd LB since Wilson is gone and what about a hybrid RB to add to the weapons on offense? What about adding speed to the RB's?

The answer lies in what it is easier to build and to me, that is offense. The best D in the league, stat wise, was CHI and they couldn't advance and the two teams in the NFCCG hardly had great D's.

What if the BPA is a RB? Take him or go for need? What if he's a good enough back to replace Elliott in 2020 and that's one less position to be concerned about with the amount he will want?

And what if Michigan LB, Devin Bush, is there at 58? Or AL's Mack Wilson?

It is unlikely that either of those LB's is there but every year a position slips and changes the BPA position.

So, are you a BPA or needs picker?

Teams think in terms of tiers.

If a player they have rated as a 1st round pick is available at #58 then they should draft that player.

If there are 2 players with a round2-tier2 ranking and all others have lower rankings then they can pick between the two players based on need. The same applies if there are more than 2.

Don't pass on LeSean McCoy at #51 (2009 draft) when you have him rated as a 1st round talent unless someone overwhelms you with a trade offer.

 

[CouchCoach]

If a player at a position of strength falls to our pick, we'll probably see a trade. I just can't see taking a LB there. Besides special teams, you can justify taking a player of any other position.

That would depend on how badly another team wanted that player and what they would give up.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Either S or DT, I would not be mad.

 

[beware_d-ware]

I am a BPA guy all the way and never like to say never, but RB is pretty much out of the question IMO. Josh Jacobs is the #1 back in this class to many and I don't even know if I like him enough to draft him at #58. He is an early second kind of guy IMO and a late second is too rich to park him behind Zeke for at least two seasons. If it was the 3rd round though, I'd be all for it because he'd be BPA by a mile.

Same deal with Sam. The talent would have to be overwhelming for me to consider it.


All in all, I bet the BPA will end up being a DL or a safety, because the DL class is stupid loaded and there are bunch of safeties hanging around with second round type grades. We never know until we get there, but as of now this class may end up matching up very well with our needs.

 

[HanD]

Couldn't agree more as each draft seems to take on it's own personality. One year the OL came flying off the board when no mock guy had more than 2 in the top 15, I believe there were 7.

yep...that was the year many wanted decastro or warmack i believe. thought no way one of them wasn't making it to us.

 

[HanD]

Jury is still out and I'd take Goedert over Williams all day long and I think they would have too.

maybe, but how far in advance do teams get notification of who is selected? there is a clip where while dallas is on the phone with williams, the eagles pick still hadn't been announced yet.

 

[conner01]

Pretty significant drop off from the two picked to go in the first from WIS and the rest of the field. Why take another 2nd level TE? They already have that.

I’m not advocating taking a TE
But I think the quality of the position will be better than many others
I think Dline is gonna get picked early and often and really deplete the talent by 58

 

[cern]

even after the 57th pick, I will still not know the correct answer. just hope it's an immediate starter/contributor. que sera, sera.

 

[DFWJC]

I'll tell you after pick #57

 

[gimmesix]

Jury is still out and I'd take Goedert over Williams all day long and I think they would have too.

Possibly, but it would have been the same situation, BPA at a position of need. Most of the time we have multiple positions of needs so especially after you get out of the first round, your pool of relatively equal candidates increases.

If a linebacker, safety and DL fall within the same tier when we pick in the second round, position of need is greater for the safety or DL.

 

[MrPhil]

Here are the rankings from #53 to #63 (five on either side of #58) from the Great Blue North site:

David Edwards OT 6-6, 308 5.28 Wisconsin JR
Oshane Ximines OLB 6-4, 253 4.78 Old Dominion SR
Riley Ridley WR 6-2, 200 4.50 Georgia JR
Gerald Willis DT 6-2, 302 4.95 Miami SR
Damien Harris RB 5-10, 215 4.57 Alabama SR
Parris Campbell WR 6-0, 205 4.31 Ohio State SR
Connor McGovern C/G 6-6, 308 5.20 Penn State JR
D’Andre Walker DE 6-3, 251 4.65 Georgia SR
Isaiah Johnson CB 6-2, 208 4.40 Houston SR
Irv Smith TE 6-3, 242 4.63 Alabama JR
Juan Thornhill FS 6-0, 206 4.42 Virginia SR

Dunno how up-to-date (or accurate) these rankings are but there you go.

 

[cowboy_ron]

So the reaching for a need doesn't apply? I do believe there will be a lot of ties at that 58th spot with probably a WR in there as well so the need is the tiebreaker.

And I do not happen to think reaching for need is a bad thing. I remember so many upset about Yosemite in the 1st and stating they could have waited, which was nothing more that guessing. I didn't see so much of that last season when he was missing.

I can see them trading up in the 2nd because there is a "target" there like Lawrence was when they drafted him. And I agree about the many needs to upgrade the starters which is exacerbated by the lack of emergence of Charleton and availability of Gregory. I can see a replay of the Lawrence trade up for the same position.

I didn't say anything about reaching.........I said BPA at a position of need which means exactly that.