Tanks seeks 22.5, Cowboys offer 20

[Diehardblues]

Yeah Tank is looking for all he can get. Now I have no problem with someone wanting to do that. It's just that at what point do realize that you are set for life and still hold out for more? It just gets weird.

It’s strictly business. I’m not sure why we’re more supportive of the greed of ownership over the greed of players?

New contract negotiations are the opportunity for players. Which ownership despite the guarantees are not oblidged to upheld in full.

 

[Denim Chicken]

And this whole board is falling for it.

 

[jjktkk]

It’s just business. Fans get entirely too emotional about the process.

Yep, you're absolutely right, it's just business. And if I was Jerry and friends I would then trade DLAW, but not before I let him know, "it's just business."

 

[Alexander]

Just because context matters..




https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-co...ffer-DeMarcus-Lawrence-20M-annually-130571648

That 25 sacks is MORE than Khalil Mack over the last two seasons.

So do we measure sacks in terms of millions of dollars?

Look, I can see both sides of this. I can understand why Lawrence wants his big payday. I also get why Dallas wants to keep this reasonable.

Even the Mack deal was a bit excessive. But excessive does not always need to be the market if you look directly at the talent perspective (plus the injury thing).

He is asking for Mack money+ AND is not completely healthy.

 

[Diehardblues]

I think so too.

It's all about timing. Could have had him last year for $17MM. Probably could have had him for $20MM this year, if that was the initial offer. The longer you wait, the higher the price.

Yea, they’ll meet somewhere. Surely the Cowboys realize our defense is severely compromised if we lose 3 DL including our only Pro Bowler.

It’s why we Tagged him. I feel pretty good they’re only haggling over a couple million.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yep, you're absolutely right, it's just business. And if I was Jerry and friends I would then trade DLAW, but not before I let him know, "it's just business."

That’s fine. Let him go . Just don’t come crying later that our DL by committee is costing us games.

Better to be a tough negotiator than win games.

 

[Alexander]

I feel pretty good they’re only haggling over a couple million.

Actually that is disturbing in a way since they handed Witten $2M base after a year off, no questions asked.

 

[Future]

So do we measure sacks in terms of millions of dollars?

Look, I can see both sides of this. I can understand why Lawrence wants his big payday. I also get why Dallas wants to keep this reasonable.

Even the Mack deal was a bit excessive. But excessive does not always need to be the market if you look directly at the talent perspective (plus the injury thing).

He is asking for Mack money+ AND is not completely healthy.

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I don't, but that's the consistent knock against Lawrence. "He's 18th in sacks durrrr."

Lawrence shouldn't get Mack money, and he's not asking for it. He should get slightly less. That's what $22m is, and when all's said and done, it's going to ~$21m.

 

[JoeKing]

Obviously the Cowboys believe in his value or wouldn’t have Tagged him a second time.

Now we’re just haggling out a couple million delaying a deal.

The Cowboys tagged Tank in good faith that he would sign it and play under those parameters if they do not reach a long term deal. But Tank has made it clear he has no intention to play under those parameters and won't sign on for that. He refuses to even get his bad wing fixed until the Cowboys cave to his every request. That scorched earth approach to negotiating a deal with Jerry will never fly. They are no longer haggling over a couple million as you say. Jerry will show this fool the door with a bad wing and wish him best of luck.

 

[Flamma]

It’s strictly business. I’m not sure why we’re more supportive of the greed of ownership over the greed of players?

New contract negotiations are the opportunity for players. Which ownership despite the guarantees are not oblidged to upheld in full.

Salary cap. If there was no salary cap I say pay Tank whatever he wants. I couldn't care less about the owners. I just don't want a player to hurt the team. If that means the owner benefits, so be it.

 

[Doomsday101]

I was referring to getting cheap at the wrong time referencing our decisions with our RB and WR by committee. This looks like another one of those potential decisions with a DL by committee.

Let me say because I mentioned this yesterday I do think in the end a deal will be done with Dallas and DLaw. I do hope the Cowboys stay firm with the 20 mill and work out a structure of the deal both sides can live with then put this behind them. Having said that as I mentioned earlier I will be expecting more out of DLaw and hope he can deliver on that. I recall Jerry once told both Emmitt and Irving you play like the best in the NFL I will pay you as such. Emmitt wanted to be paid more than Barry Sanders and he was, Mike wanted Jerry Rice money and he got it but both men delivered and played like the best players in the NFL. I expect Dez to play as the best WR in the NFL after Jerry paid him as such and he failed to live up to it and that cost a team since they were paying for the best and got less. So while you may not care about expectation I think if you demand more then you as a player should live up to that

 

[Sydla]

It's a very one sided way to look at it. However, there has been movement in the market since then with Flowers & Smith signing their deals.

How is it one sided? You basically just said the same thing. Lawrence is now asking for more because the Cowboys didn't give him what he wanted right from the start.

Flowers is $18MM AAV with $56MM guaranteed.

Smith is $16.5MM AAV with $20MM guaranteed.

$20MM AAV seems more than fair for Lawrence.

 

[jnday]

Sign and trade him. 22 million is elite money, but Lawrence is not elite. He is damaged goods and he refuses to have the surgery. He is doing everything possible to

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Front office initially offered $17MM, if they would have offered $20MM initially we'd probably have a deal.

Haha doesn't matter. He originally wanted 20 million, now that Dallas agreed you want to up the offer. Nope i can do without that on the team.

 

[Sydla]

There is little to no question that Canter is angling for the same thing that he got the Dolphins with Vernon to do three years ago, rescind the tag.

Dallas has waited it out this long and the FA money is not completely dry.

For a team like Indianapolis, they are dripping with cap money with over $72M just sitting there. Even the Jets or Raiders with just $29-32M could take him.

This gets to where dropping the tag is admitting defeat. Dallas has enough cap space to wait him out, even if he pulls a Le'Veon Bell and stretches it to next year.

That just causes a delay in getting the other internal deals done.

The trade route seems to be the best way to go. They just have to be prepared to hang onto him.

He has to sign the tag though, right, to get traded?

 

[Diehardblues]

The WR by committee was mainly through getting rid of Dez Bryant. It was not a choice between a good player and a wrecked cap like this is.

They just made a foolish decision thinking being "Dak-friendly" was smart and trying to fill it cheap.

This is completely different.

You really describe over paying a couple million as wrecking our Cap?

And you forgot about how letting Murray walk and tagging Dez worked out in 2015. And how letting Dez go last year worked out until we aquired Cooper.

These are the kind of results I’d look for after losing 3 key DL this year.

 

[Sydla]

I think so too.

It's all about timing. Could have had him last year for $17MM. Probably could have had him for $20MM this year, if that was the initial offer. The longer you wait, the higher the price.

Which makes Lawrence look bad. If he wanted $20MM, it's now on the table, but now he wants $23MM as some sort of payback for the Cowboys not buckling to his initial demands, that makes Lawrence look poor.

 

[DJordan23]

22M for a oft injured guy who disappears at season end, just watch his play decline as soon as he see's the $$$$.

That's my fear, invest huge money in this guy and he starts his decline...and he's going into negotiations needing another surgery. I like D Law but not enough to hamstring the future of this young team.

 

[Alexander]

And this whole board is falling for it.

The leaks can work both ways.

I am sure his agent can stir the pot as well.

Thing is, he probably won't. All you have to do is see what he did in the Olivier Vernon situation.

https://www.si.com/2016/03/10/olivier-vernon-new-york-giants-nfl-free-agency-blockbuster-contract

 

[Alexander]

He has to sign the tag though, right, to get traded?

That is a formality. Lawrence would gladly sign the tag if he knew that moves him where he gets his money.

Rescinding the tag is something Dallas should not do. Even if the idea is to get a 2020 comp pick.