News: Tank asked for 20 million, Cowboys matched that now Tank asking for 22.5M

[gimmesix]

No 4-3 DEs make more than 18m...... except DLaw at 20.5m

That's moving the goal posts. We're talking about elite pass rushers, which is what Lawrence is considered right now. He's asking for Khalil Mack money. He shouldn't get it, but his number is going to ultimately fall just short of that.

For comparison's sake, Mack had 12.5 sacks last year and Lawrence had 10.5, but Lawrence was better the previous year. Both are considered to be disruptive players, either drawing extra attention or getting into the backfield to make the quarterback move or the back hesitate.

 

[AbeBeta]

I'll need to see proof of where "Tank asked for $20 million".

His agent would have never started at 20.

 

[Chuck 54]

Actually, players sign for less than the tag all the time. Kirk Cousins signed for less than his tag. Players want long term security and guaranteed money. The tag is high because it’s a 1-year only deal. If a player gets a career injury playing on the tag, that’s it for him.

 

[AbeBeta]

How does this thread get a "news" notation with there being any source?

 

[gimmesix]

That "low ball" $20 million offer would have made Tank the highest paid DE and 3rd highest paid defender in the NFL. Now he's wanting, according to reports from $22.5 - $23.1 million a year. He's wanting to be paid like the best defender in the NFL, without any of the accomplishments. Mack and Donald have 7 1st team All-Pros and 3 DPOYs between them, Tank has one 2nd team AP, 2 years ago.

Yes, because each year salaries go up. That's the reality of the game.

Mack set the standard last year for elite pass rushers, so Lawrence and his agent are pushing for that standard. I don't believe that they'll get it and I believe that they know that. But I'll be surprised if the final number isn't north of $20 million because that's where it's going.

I'll use Trey Flowers as an example. Flowers has not had a season with more than 7.5 sacks. He's not considered to be on Lawrence's level as an end. Yet in this free agent market, he got a deal averaging $18 million a year. Last year, he probably would have had to settle for $16-17 million. The year before, $15-16 million. The market inflates worth, whether it's for bringing in outside free agents or paying your own.

Lawrence probably would have had to "settle" for $20 million if Mack had not raised the bar. You might can throw Donald in there, too. Right or wrong, those are the contracts Lawrence and his agent are looking at and trying to get Dallas to match ... again knowing that it isn't going to happen but that it allows them to push the bar up some.

 

[Stash]

Actually, players sign for less than the tag all the time. Kirk Cousins signed for less than his tag. Players want long term security and guaranteed money. The tag is high because it’s a 1-year only deal. If a player gets a career injury playing on the tag, that’s it for him.

Last I checked, Cousins signed for $84 million all guaranteed.

 

[AbeBeta]

Actually, players sign for less than the tag all the time. Kirk Cousins signed for less than his tag. Players want long term security and guaranteed money. The tag is high because it’s a 1-year only deal. If a player gets a career injury playing on the tag, that’s it for him.

Cousins' tag number would have been excessive because he played on the tag twice. That's not really a relevant example

 

[3rd_n_inches]

I think these reports are fake

 

[rags747]

Option #3 but that will ever happen, we are doing good if we get a 2nd for him. $20m and that’s it, Is he a catalytic player...maybe a little.

 

[AbeBeta]

Option #3 but that will ever happen, we are doing good if we get a 2nd for him. $20m and that’s it, Is he a catalytic player...maybe a little.

I can't believe people want to trade our best defensive player for a 2.

What a monumental waste.

 

[gimmesix]

I can't believe people want to trade our best defensive player for a 2.

What a monumental waste.

It lets me know whose opinions to not take seriously. Although there are usually other signs that show that.

 

[TheCount]

How does this thread get a "news" notation with there being any source?

You can select it when you create the thread, apparently. This is junk.

 

[TheCount]

Also:

Delawrence Tank

LOL.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I would offer him $21 million, that's it...…………….and he has to get the surgery like tomorrow

The offer is good for 48 hours, after that there are no more negotiations and he can either play on the tag or sit home on the couch.

 

[Roadtrip635]

Yes, because each year salaries go up. That's the reality of the game.

Mack set the standard last year for elite pass rushers, so Lawrence and his agent are pushing for that standard. I don't believe that they'll get it and I believe that they know that. But I'll be surprised if the final number isn't north of $20 million because that's where it's going.

I'll use Trey Flowers as an example. Flowers has not had a season with more than 7.5 sacks. He's not considered to be on Lawrence's level as an end. Yet in this free agent market, he got a deal averaging $18 million a year. Last year, he probably would have had to settle for $16-17 million. The year before, $15-16 million. The market inflates worth, whether it's for bringing in outside free agents or paying your own.

Lawrence probably would have had to "settle" for $20 million if Mack had not raised the bar. You might can throw Donald in there, too. Right or wrong, those are the contracts Lawrence and his agent are looking at and trying to get Dallas to match ... again knowing that it isn't going to happen but that it allows them to push the bar up some.

I , as well as most here, understand the market price continues to go up. The problems are a team starts low, the agent starts high then gets met in the middle. In Tank's instance, they raised their demands, it started at $20 then raised to $22.5, now they are reports he wants a similar deal, rated for inflation, that Miller got, which would be over $23 and the real kicker is the refusal to get surgery that would put him in jeopardy to be healthy, not just for training camp or preseason, but also for at least the beginning of the season. If he really wants to get paid, then don't give yourself a self imposed roadblock to getting that deal. When you're asking for elite player money, not just market price, then you should do what it takes to be ready to train, practice and play. When a player refuses to get surgery to make himself better and available, there will be pushback.

 

[gimmesix]

I , as well as most here, understand the market price continues to go up. The problems are a team starts low, the agent starts high then gets met in the middle. In Tank's instance, they raised their demands, it started at $20 then raised to $22.5, now they are reports he wants a similar deal, rated for inflation, that Miller got, which would be over $23 and the real kicker is the refusal to get surgery that would put him in jeopardy to be healthy, not just for training camp or preseason, but also for at least the beginning of the season. If he really wants to get paid, then don't give yourself a self imposed roadblock to getting that deal. When you're asking for elite player money, not just market price, then you should do what it takes to be ready to train, practice and play. When a player refuses to get surgery to make himself better and available, there will be pushback.

Have we actually heard from Lawrence or his agent that they have raised their demands? I think this is what is being circulated, but I'm not sure it's the reality. He and his agent likely always had their sights set on Khalil Mack money.

As far as the surgery goes, I'm sure that they have been given a timeline for how long it would take to recovery. Right now, it's being used as a negotiating tool.

The team is also using it as a way to get fans on its side, which it seems to have accomplished. Negotiations have a lot of give and take, and we're just mainly hearing the "take" side of it. Frankly, I don't put much credence in it. If they end up paying him Mack money or he ends up missing time because he didn't get the surgery done in time, then I'll willingly eat my words.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Im also curious to know how the guarenteed money looks on those offers as well. Its easy to side with the team because they seem to be the only ones leaking info.

And they're leaking it to get fan support and put pressure on the player. That's why i don't take any of these leaks seriously.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Tank asked for 20 million the cowboys did match that amount he asked for wednesday by 20 or 20.5 millon, then tank went up on his demands should he get 22.5 now and wont have surgery till cowboys sign him to a contract what should be done, i tried to put this down as a poll question but couldnt find poll question option

1. Sign Tank only to the agreed amount first 20 million which cowboys matched
2. Meet tank and his agent halfway, with 21.5 million but tank has to have surgery now as showing good faith
3. Trade tank for holding cowboys up for a number 1 and number 3 and a number 2 in 2020
4. Tank deserves only the 22.5 million and no more pay him

Number 3

 

[Nightman]

I will say this though Stash, if a team is willing to franchise you for $20.5MM for a single season, wouldn't that be the floor when talking AAV?

Maybe I'm wrong but don't think I am. The Cowboys set his value by tagging him or even "threatening" to tag him. They asked him to prove he wasn't a fluke and they will reward him, so of course he believes they will do so.

No... that means they are willing to pay that for 1 year just to keep him

But if the player wants guaranteed money in the future they have to give up some APY.... it is a trade off

You don't get top dollar and multi year guarantees unless you are the best..... and he ain't the best

DLaw 18th in sacks
DLaw 11th in TFLs
DLaw 13th in QB hits
DLaw 48th in FF

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Cousins' tag number would have been excessive because he played on the tag twice. That's not really a relevant example

Lawrence was tagged last year and this year, so thats twice as well.