For all the criticism Dak Prescott gets

[aria]

Huh??? Lay off them drugs.

You’re so gaga over Tony you don’t even know what you said? Do I really need to quote you so you understand?

 

[glimmerman]

Absolutely. It's why there's even a debate. Through the first three quarters, his numbers are only slightly above average. You could make the case that 20 other QB could perform at that level or better in this offense.

1st-3rd quarter, 2016-18
1 Mahomes 111.4
2 Ryan 106.3
3 Brees 105.6
4 Brady 102.6
5 Rivers 100.5

13 Prescott 94.6

But tied or trailing late in a close game, nobody has been better.

4th quarter or OT, tied or trailing by 8 or less
1 Prescott 110.5
2 Roethlisberger 110.2
3 Luck 109.1
4 Watson 108.2
5 Brees 105.5


1st-3rd quarter, 2018 only
1 Brees 114.7
2 Mahomes 113.7
3 Wilson 110.7
4 Rivers 105.1
5 Ryan 103.9

11 Prescott 97.5

4th quarter or OT, tied or trailing by 8 or less, 2018 only
1 Ryan 128.0
2 Prescott 124.8
3 Goff 113.8
4 Wentz 110.9
5 Mariota 108.9


All lists are from a sample of the 32 QB with the most attempts over that time period, including playoffs

For the purpose of comparison, from 2007-11 Eli Manning had a 103.9 rating (1st) while tied or trailing by 8 points or less in the 4th quarter or OT. His rating for the first three quarters those seasons was 86.0 (17th).

Basically by stats he is a top 10 QB with this Offensive talent around him. Add Cooper for the whole year Gallup should be improved. Added Cobb. A healthy O-Line. Elliot in a contract year will be running like his hair is on fire. Dak should improve this year. We will see...

 

[LACowboysFan1]

The guy makes plays. He is a gamer. In the 4th quarter with the game on the line he makes the plays.

Now a case could be made that if he didn’t miss wide open recievers on occasion or take a sack here and there that wasn’t necessary then he wouldn’t have to be clutch at the end. I am waiting to see if that part of his game improves. I wouldn’t sign him long term till next year. But that’s just me. JJ has seen enough and is sold on him so like it or not he will be here.

That's sort of what I've always said about Elway, or any other quarterback who people laud as having "great 4th quarter comebacks". Why couldn't you get and keep a lead if you're that great? Of course there are other elements to the team than quarterback, but like you said, if they'd played better in quarters 1-3 they wouldn't need to come from behind in the 4th quarter.

Overly simplistic I know, just making a comment..

 

[glimmerman]

That's sort of what I've always said about Elway, or any other quarterback who people laud as having "great 4th quarter comebacks". Why couldn't you get and keep a lead if you're that great? Of course there are other elements to the team than quarterback, but like you said, if they'd played better in quarters 1-3 they wouldn't need to come from behind in the 4th quarter.

Overly simplistic I know, just making a comment..

I hear ya. There are a lot of wasted and stalled drives. Not all are on Dak. Penalties kill us and drops and of course the playcalling.

 

[Doomsday101]

Until you win a SB in Dallas you will be criticized. Ask any former Cowboys QB who has not reached a title. The upside after you retire people will act a bit kinder to you.

 

[glimmerman]

Until you win a SB in Dallas you will be criticized. Ask any former Cowboys QB who has not reached a title. The upside after you retire people will act a bit kinder to you.

Many disliked Romo. But now everyone wishes he was still playing.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Basically by stats he is a top 10 QB with this Offensive talent around him. Add Cooper for the whole year Gallup should be improved. Added Cobb. A healthy O-Line. Elliot in a contract year will be running like his hair is on fire. Dak should improve this year. We will see...

You know you'll get hammered by posters who will say that "he isn't any good unless he has an awesome team around him, and what quarterback wouldn't be?" , right?



Though to me I'd rather the team being good takes precedence over the quarterback being able to overcome a poor team, as we saw in 2015, lose your "top" quarterback and the team craters, unable to build on the success of the prior year. Having to depend on one guy to "do it all" is much more risky to me than having a solid team. Staubach retired suddenly yet Danny White, arguably not as good a quarterback as Roger, took the team to 3 straight NFC championship games, largely because of a top defense and solid, if not spectacular, offensive players around him...

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I hear ya. There are a lot of wasted and stalled drives. Not all are on Dak. Penalties kill us and drops and of course the playcalling.

That's all Dak's fault, though, don't ya know?

Quarterbacks get too much blame and too much credit too many times...

 

[Doomsday101]

Many disliked Romo. But now everyone wishes he was still playing.

It comes with the job dating back to Meredith. Even he said people loved him on MNF but many where the same people who were booing him in Dallas. As for me, I support Dak and do not think he has reached his full potential but in the meantime you best have thick skin because the critics will not let up until you prove yourself as a championship caliber QB.

 

[glimmerman]

You know you'll get hammered by posters who will say that "he isn't any good unless he has an awesome team around him, and what quarterback wouldn't be?" , right?



Though to me I'd rather the team being good takes precedence over the quarterback being able to overcome a poor team, as we saw in 2015, lose your "top" quarterback and the team craters, unable to build on the success of the prior year. Having to depend on one guy to "do it all" is much more risky to me than having a solid team. Staubach retired suddenly yet Danny White, arguably not as good a quarterback as Roger, took the team to 3 straight NFC championship games, largely because of a top defense and solid, if not spectacular, offensive players around him...

It’s a team game and with a salary cap you can’t have stars at all positions. Don’t seem to be enough bradys to go around. I think we got lucky to have cake across Dak. Where would we be right now without him.seems that the other qbs we wanted in that draft aren’t doing very well right now..

 

[glimmerman]

That's all Dak's fault, though, don't ya know?

Quarterbacks get too much blame and too much credit too many times...

A lot of weight on his shoulders. Lol.

 

[glimmerman]

It comes with the job dating back to Meredith. Even he said people loved him on MNF but many where the same people who were booing him in Dallas. As for me, I support Dak and do not think he has reached his full potential but in the meantime you best have thick skin because the critics will not let up until you prove yourself as a championship caliber QB.

Yeah it’s funny to watch our QBs over the years get thicker skin. Romo was good at letting it roll off his back. It’s been a while since we have had championship caliber anything...

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

STOP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS AND QUIT TROLLING.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Many disliked Romo. But now everyone wishes he was still playing.

Not I.

 

[HungryLion]

Absolutely. It's why there's even a debate. Through the first three quarters, his numbers are only slightly above average. You could make the case that 20 other QB could perform at that level or better in this offense.

1st-3rd quarter, 2016-18
1 Mahomes 111.4
2 Ryan 106.3
3 Brees 105.6
4 Brady 102.6
5 Rivers 100.5

13 Prescott 94.6

But tied or trailing late in a close game, nobody has been better.

4th quarter or OT, tied or trailing by 8 or less
1 Prescott 110.5
2 Roethlisberger 110.2
3 Luck 109.1
4 Watson 108.2
5 Brees 105.5


1st-3rd quarter, 2018 only
1 Brees 114.7
2 Mahomes 113.7
3 Wilson 110.7
4 Rivers 105.1
5 Ryan 103.9

11 Prescott 97.5

4th quarter or OT, tied or trailing by 8 or less, 2018 only
1 Ryan 128.0
2 Prescott 124.8
3 Goff 113.8
4 Wentz 110.9
5 Mariota 108.9


All lists are from a sample of the 32 QB with the most attempts over that time period, including playoffs

For the purpose of comparison, from 2007-11 Eli Manning had a 103.9 rating (1st) while tied or trailing by 8 points or less in the 4th quarter or OT. His rating for the first three quarters those seasons was 86.0 (17th).

Awesome post Percy.

I was losing faith in Dak and for a time, stopped believing he could be the guy, as he was going. Through his stretch or very poor play. That changed as he started to come out of his slump and start playing well again.

But there is something to these numbers. I mean it is 3 seasons worth of sample size now. Too much time to just be a coincidence IMO. There is something to the argument that Dak plays his best ball, when the game is on the line.

And it doesn’t just show up in stats either. It’s evident when watching the games. When you absolutely HAVE to have a drive and get points, Just watching the games you can see that Dak keeps his cool and makes plays. You can tell by his demeanor and body language on the field that he is mentally in command still in those moments.

That isn’t even quantifiable but it’s the biggest reason I still believe in him, despite some of his weaknesses.

He will never be the prettiest passer. But there is A TON of value in having a leader who plays his best ball in crunch time, as your starting QB.

 

[Diehardblues]

If Dak turns out to have more team success than Romo , that’s all that matters.

Dak will either be remembered for the guy that took us further than Romo or the guy who initially stole our hearts and fizzled out needing too much help to win it all.

 

[Diehardblues]

As a Cowboy fan how can you not love Dak? He plays his butt off. He’s just not one of the greatest prolific passers.

And why he receives so much criticism. Let’s hope his clutch performances and leadership is enough to deliver another championship to the Cowboys.

 

[glimmerman]

If Dak turns out to have more team success than Romo , that’s all that matters.

Dak will either be remembered for the guy that took us further than Romo or the guy who initially stole our hearts and fizzled out needing too much help to win it all.

Already had won a playoff game. How many did Romo win in his 10 years of starting.. I know that Romo for done years didn’t have the team around him that Dak does..

 

[Diehardblues]

Already had won a playoff game. How many did Romo win in his 10 years of starting.. I know that Romo for done years didn’t have the team around him that Dak does..

Romo was 2-4 in 4 playoff appearances in 7 full seasons starting.

Romo had a good team around him for a few of those years. The best were 2007 and 2014.

 

[DallasEast]

Many disliked Romo. But now everyone wishes he was still playing.

'Many' may be a relatively correct adjective but I disagree with the use as a noun. People love Romo. People loathe Romo. And people have varying degrees of appreciation and non-appreciation for Romo. If individual attitudes toward Romo were generalized, I would say it is closer to 50% who like him and 50% who dislike him. I doubt there is any significant disparity between either stance. Just my opinion.