Dallas should explore Dak trade value

[G2]

You sure about that?

Yes. And I will be just fine if it turns out I'm wrong

I think I'd need some qualifiers on "good enough" and "don't have to break the bank".

If you need further help just get yourself a dictionary. Those are basic statements.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

No, why are you ignoring that the pass game has gotten steadily worse every season with Dak? He takes another step back and we will be ranked last. But he gets the credit for helping the team win? Yeah I cannot understand that.

Passing game takes a step back? Do you ever look at the stats or just say random stuff with no substance. Dak has scored 22 passing TDs in every season. Had he went 25 then 21 then 15 i would understand but he is hitting his average and improving. He started the season out with what to throw too and once he got a legit receiver what happened. Stop it with this nonsense

 

[fairviewfarmer]

After Stephan comments about Dak needing to sign team friendly deal and Dak on record as saying there will be no discount...an impasse is coming. Rather than get into issue of is Dak good or not, what could Cowboy get in trade if long term deal can't be agreed upon.


Note:
Denver received TWO 1st & 3rd for Jay Cutler
Cincy received 1st & 2nd for Carson Palmer
Eagles received 1st & 4th round pick for Sam Bradford.

If your Stephan, what would you need back in trade?

Note: this is not to get into large debate about if Dallas should or shouldn't do this but merely an exercise in what you think his current trade value is.

I'm guessing that Dak's trade value has been checked more than once by Jerry and Stephen...jmo.

 

[Nightman]

It's funny that you have to refer to irrefutable facts as a "lame excuse."

And now it's "scared"?

How about a mature discussion and debate without having to try to be dismissive and insulting?

Take the high road.

poor little snowflake looking for his safe place

 

[gimmesix]

Up and down years? Dak has never had a losing season despite losing players around him and position changes.

Also what comments did Stephen make? You talking about the hometown discount so he can surround him with talent.........he would be a fool to say, we are going to pay Dak as much money as we can and forget the rest of the roster, especially when they are getting ready for negotiations. Every team wants to pay players as little as possible so they can get more talent. Has nothing to do if they think Dak can play or not. Just look at what they did with Lawrence for example and ended up giving him 21.5 average

Again, losing and winning are not completely on a quarterback, and that mind-set needs to disappear. Teams with great defenses have won despite having mediocre quarterbacks. Teams with strong running games have carried average quarterbacks. Was Trent Dilfer a franchise quarterback because the Baltimore Ravens won a Super Bowl? It's pretty much acknowledged universally that Prescott walked into a great situation as a starting quarterback in 2016, which aided in his success that year. When the situation wasn't ideal the next year, he became an average quarterback. He was an average quarterback for the beginning of 2018 as well in less-than-ideal circumstances before stepping up after we acquired Cooper.

The comments I was referring were about the Cowboys wanting to extend Dak this offseason. Those show that they believe he's a franchise quarterback. The comments about hometown discount, etc., are just posturing.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Passing game takes a step back? Do you ever look at the stats or just say random stuff with no substance. Dak has scored 22 passing TDs in every season. Had he went 25 then 21 then 15 i would understand but he is hitting his average and improving. He started the season out with what to throw too and once he got a legit receiver what happened. Stop it with this nonsense

23, 23 and 22 is not improving, troll... and let's not forget that he needed 4 garbage time touchdowns against a vacationing Giants team to even get to 22, compared to his rookie year where he barely played the last game. He's getting worse.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Lmao. Way to dodge and completely make something up.

Already bailing on your point? Yikes, couldn't be me.

What exactly did I bail on?

Dak is a limited player.

If we could turn a 4th into a 1st and then some i'd consider that a massive win. Especially considering we wouldn't be giving Dak 130MM.

You then compared Dak to why the Pats should have traded Brady. Which is just...wow.

 

[WillieBeamen]

But Dak did for the 2nd time in his first 3 years

Go away

And he is still nowhere near the QBs u mentioned.


Try again

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Again, losing and winning are not completely on a quarterback, and that mind-set needs to disappear. Teams with great defenses have won despite having mediocre quarterbacks. Teams with strong running games have carried average quarterbacks. Was Trent Dilfer a franchise quarterback because the Baltimore Ravens won a Super Bowl? It's pretty much acknowledged universally that Prescott walked into a great situation as a starting quarterback in 2016, which aided in his success that year. When the situation wasn't ideal the next year, he became an average quarterback. He was an average quarterback for the beginning of 2018 as well in less-than-ideal circumstances before stepping up after we acquired Cooper.

The comments I was referring were about the Cowboys wanting to extend Dak this offseason. Those show that they believe he's a franchise quarterback. The comments about hometown discount, etc., are just posturing.

I never said the QB is soley responsible for wins or loses so not sure why you keep saying i did. Second Dak walked into a 4-12 team, what's great about that. Even when injuries or suspensions happened to the team Dak still wins games, he is a reason for that.

Only reason i gave you a like is because i agree that Stephens comments are about posturing for the negotiations

 

[Irvin88_4life]

And he is still nowhere near the QBs u mentioned.


Try again

I'm still writing for you to try again. Gave up i guess. You're not going to check these QBs first 3 years and compare them to Daks then you should stop the nonsense you post.

All that being said we have no idea how Daks career will finish cause nobody knows the future. He could become a Hall of Fame QB or he could be out the league in a few years but what we do know is the past and Daks career thus far is on pace and other times passes those QBs you claim to be so much better than Dak.

 

[WillieBeamen]

........wait for it........because Dak has only 3 years in the league. What was Peyton Manning, Rodgers Brees or most any of the others stats their first 3 years.......hint not a Superbowl champ. Again trying to compare a finished career or almost finished career to a 3 year player, yep makes sense.

Oh i get it.


Dak can only be evaluated/compared to players that came in the league and started as a rookie.


Brilliant

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Oh i get it.


Dak can only be evaluated/compared to players that came in the league and started as a rookie.


Brilliant

Great job making stuff up again. Where did i say rookie in any of my statements?

 

[WillieBeamen]

I'm still writing for you to try again. Gave up i guess. You're not going to check these QBs first 3 years and compare them to Daks then you should stop the nonsense you post.

All that being said we have no idea how Daks career will finish cause nobody knows the future. He could become a Hall of Fame QB or he could be out the league in a few years but what we do know is the past and Daks career thus far is on pace and other times passes those QBs you claim to be so much better than Dak.

First off, you cant compare stats to QBs across eras.
When Peyton and Bress came into the league, it wasnt geared as much to offense as it is now.

Second, Peyton threw for more TDs in his first three years than Dak.

Third, Ben and Russell won Super Bowls in their third season. Dak hasnt even been to a Championship game.

Fourth, its a mental illness to see Dak and think that he is anywhere near these QBs. He is regressing as a QB and some are ok with paying him $30m.


Move along troll

 

[Nightman]

Me and the fact that none of them have signed new deals.

Those two things.

they have until January

 

[visionary]

I guess that depends what folks consider too late.

Well, if we believe Stephens comments recently, it sounds like the contract for Dak is inevitable wether fans like it or not. Sooo..

Let’s assume he signs a 5 year contract structured similar to DLaws. Where as by 3 years of the contract, Dallas conceivably could let Dak go without much dead money accrued. (Or best case scenario, could trade Dak to a QB needy team).

Now let’s assume Dak “under performs”. And I use quotation marks bc his worst year statistically still wasn’t horrible (2017- 3,300+, 22td, 13ints, 86.6rating). But for debate purposes, let’s say he dosen’t improve on these stats as most would assume he should do this year. Then what?

If Dallas is just convinced that Dak isn’t the answer, then we could (move up if needed) draft a QB and hope the next guy pans out. Just as the Browns how easy drafting QB’s is . At this point we would have a young QB studying the playbook waiting to take over within 2 years much like Romo, Brady, and Rodgers did for their respected teams. My point, it’s not the end of the world if Dak signs a contract.

On the flip side, Let’s assume Dak improves..Throws nearly 4K yards again, has 25 passing TDs/8 rushing TDs, lass than 10ints, with a 100 passer rating..all these things he nearly did last year. Leads the Cowboys to the playoffs for the 3rd time in 4 years., but can’t get past the divisional round. Are we screaming for Daks job or Garrett’s? Then what will people say or expect?

All I know is..last year, I seen a team that looked dismal and had no chance to make the playoffs. Then we added a WR that could make a difference and provide relief for the “loaded defensive boxes” we were seeing week after week. Even with the dreaded play calls of Scott Linehan, Dak not only lead his team to the Playoffs, we beat a surging Seahawks team. Then we lost to the Rams that most will contribute to our defense not able to stop the run.. not bc of Dak.

My point, it’s typical that people here want to trash Dak without much consideration of what he’s done, how he’s improving, and where Dallas would be without him. Thankfully, he was available after Romo went down/retired. I’m thankful that we have a guy that is willing to put it all on the line for his team. He may not be the proto pocket QB, but those are far, few, and between in today’s NFL and/or College. More and more we’re seeing QBs like Dak enter the league.. it’s a different era. If someone just can’t stand Daks play regardless of the playoff wins, respect of teammates, stats, etc.. well, I suggest to just hold on and see what he can do this year. As that’s all we as fans can do anyway. In the mean time, I will root for he’s continued improvements and successes.

I guess we're different
I'm not interested in making the playoffs with hope as my strategy
I want a QB who can take us to the next level
I want a HC whose team doesn't crap the bed and can't win back to back playoff games

I'm not interested in relevance and mediocrity

But perhaps those expectations are too unrealistic for a fan of the Dallas Cowboys these days

 

[Stash]

If you need further help just get yourself a dictionary. Those are basic statements.

Unbunch those panties.

 

[Stash]

poor little snowflake looking for his safe place

Fine.

You go ahead and take the low road because you’re not mature enough to handle a differing point of view.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

First off, you cant compare stats to QBs across eras.
When Peyton and Bress came into the league, it wasnt geared as much to offense as it is now.

Second, Peyton threw for more TDs in his first three years than Dak.

Third, Ben and Russell won Super Bowls in their third season. Dak hasnt even been to a Championship game.

Fourth, its a mental illness to see Dak and think that he is anywhere near these QBs. He is regressing as a QB and some are ok with paying him $30m.


Move along troll

Haha i thought more about your football knowledge but this just proves you're delusional. You contradict yourself in just this statement.

Ben and Russell had a bunch better team than Dak to start with and many were saying the some things about Russell as they say about Dak right now.

Brees just wasn't good until he got to the Saints with Payton, who by the way wanted Romo over him. Peyton Manning also had hall of famers everywhere on offense.

By the way Dak, Peyton Manning and Luck are the only 3 QBs ever to start their first 3 years with at least 22 passing TDs........Dak didn't have near the weapons that Peyton had by the way and took him 6 years to win a playoff game, something Dak did in half the time.

 

[Stash]

they have until January

Get back to me in January then. Until then I’m right and you’ve got nothing supporting your claims.

 

[Jipper]

you guys remember the years between Aikmen and Romo? Remember 5-11 for 3 years straight? Want to go back to that hell? Nope...