The myth of Dak compared to reality

[CowboyRoy]

Surround Dak with 21 HOF caliber players and Dak can be good, Dak won those games all by himself, when the team lost it was the poor play of everyone else , you are a super troll who has a Dak crush so bad it hurts you. Why is it so hard to see Dak is a mid level QB who needs a lot of work at his skills. No hate, no disrespect of him, You already have all the excuses for his short comings, never Dak's fault. Only a Super Troll would proclaim Dak the GOAT 3 years in with no skins on the wall and more questions about his ability and short comings than his skills. It's hard not laughing at your posts they're pretty funny.

You won’t be laughing when he gets the long term contract he earned.

 

[gjkoeppen]

No, I'm afraid I am not. Professional teams have a scouting staff. Their jobs are to watch players play. That's what they get paid for. I mean, you prove yourself wrong in the second statement of this post. You say, "if a coach or scout sees a highlight of a player on some sports show". I mean, at some point you have to stop beating the dead horse here. With regards to Romo, what's your point? The stats were not what got him a shot. It was watching him play and it wasn't only Payton, BTW. It was also Mike Shanahan, who is also a graduate of Eastern Illinois. If Romo had not gotten a shot with the Cowboys, he would have gotten a shot with the Broncos. So no, it was not the stats. It was actually a camp that both Payton and Shanahan ran at EI where they were able to watch him in person. All of what you are saying is inaccurate there.

I guess it really doesn't matter, you are arguing just to argue. You can believe what you like.

You did say ONE thing correct. Shanahan did also go to Eastern Illinois and the Broncos DID offer Romo a contract but Romo choose the Cowboys because he saw that as a better chance of making the team. There's a 30/30 on Romo maybe you should watch it and then you could learn something. Second, most teams have 4 or 5 scouts in their scouting departments to take care of the entire country. They don't have the luxury of just seeing some highlight of a player and then just run off to watch that player. Every team has people that put together tape on the next team they are going to play and getting tape of players the scouting staff ask for AFTER they have done some homework of checking their stats. I guess former scouts like Broaddus just says he looked up stats just for the heck of it. Just try thinking for a second as hard as that might be. Lets say a scout sees a highlight of a QB who threw 4 TD's one game but after checking his stats he finds out that the QB has thrown as many picks as TD's or just about and his completion percentage is only like 50.1. According to you this scout would rush right out and go see that QB after seeing the highlight but after seeing his stats the scouts says they are better QB's out there and since I already have games in my area lined up to see other players I'll just pass on this one because that highlight was his one big game of his career and his stats don't show he's going to do that again or anytime soon. You may not like it but coaches and scout do rely on stats on their decision making process.
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[ABQCOWBOY]

You did say ONE thing correct. Shanahan did also go to Eastern Illinois and the Broncos DID offer Romo a contract but Romo choose the Cowboys because he saw that as a better chance of making the team. There's a 30/30 on Romo maybe you should watch it and then you could learn something. Second, most teams have 4 or 5 scouts in their scouting departments to take care of the entire country. They don't have the luxury of just seeing some highlight of a player and then just run off to watch that player. Every team has people that put together tape on the next team they are going to play and getting tape of players the scouting staff ask for AFTER they have done some homework of checking their stats. I guess former scouts like Broaddus just says he looked up stats just for the heck of it. Just try thinking for a second as hard as that might be. Lets say a scout sees a highlight of a QB who threw 4 TD's one game but after checking his stats he finds out that the QB has thrown as many picks as TD's or just about and his completion percentage is only like 50.1. According to you this scout would rush right out and go see that QB after seeing the highlight but after seeing his stats the scouts says they are better QB's out there and since I already have games in my area lined up to see other players I'll just pass on this one because that highlight was his one big game of his career and his stats don't show he's going to do that again or anytime soon. You may not like it but coaches and scout do rely on stats on their decision making process.
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How long have you been here? It's like you think you are telling everybody something they don't know and haven't known for years. We all know the history behind Romo, Eastern Illinois, Payton and Shanahan. Have for years.

Look, you stuck your foot in it and that's on you. According to you, if you see somebody and they catch your attention, you look up stats. That's what you said, you have only yourself to blame for this.

 

[Johnny23]

Yeah, you got him so figured out in 3 short NFL seasons. You're going to hate the crazy money the Cowboys give up to keep him.

The numbers don't lie Joe. History tells you by year three you know what you have in a QB. He has never taken the next step at any point in college or the pros. That all the greats have taken. In year two Brady struggled similar to Dak in 2017 but exploded in 2003 to win the Superbowl and the rest is history. Dak yet again couldn't elevate his game and get Dallas over the hump.

I'm not going to be hate it as much as I am going to accept it because I know how brain dead the Jones Family is. I reserved myself to the fact we would extend Dak the moment he won Rookie of the year instead of Zeke.

 

[CowboyStar88]

How long have you been here? It's like you think you are telling everybody something they don't know and haven't known for years. We all know the history behind Romo, Eastern Illinois, Payton and Shanahan. Have for years.

Look, you stuck your foot in it and that's on you. According to you, if you see somebody and they catch your attention, you look up stats. That's what you said, you have only yourself to blame for this.

This has been entertaining.

 

[gjkoeppen]

How long have you been here? It's like you think you are telling everybody something they don't know and haven't known for years. We all know the history behind Romo, Eastern Illinois, Payton and Shanahan. Have for years.

Look, you stuck your foot in it and that's on you. According to you, if you see somebody and they catch your attention, you look up stats. That's what you said, you have only yourself to blame for this.

I don't blame myself for that, I gladly said that scouts check stats before going to see ANY player at a game.
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[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't blame myself for that, I gladly said that scouts check stats before going to see ANY player at a game.
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You do realize that you are arguing with yourself yes? You said, if a coach or scout sees a player, they check stats. You said nothing about going to go see a player play in person. That's crap you made up just now to try and pull your foot out. You said it. Just admit it and move on, or not. Either way, I'm done with this, not gonna argue with you after you yourself proved the point with your own words.

Have a good day.

 

[the_h0wey]

In this research i wanted to use facts to either prove the myth of Dak true or false. I will not be using the "eye" bias but instead lay out the facts. I used Pro Football reference for most of this research. Folks like to say Dak stepped into the greatest position for a rookie QB ( they say rookie because of the offense that QBs like Mahomes have but not as rookies cause they sat on the bench). I also didn't use guys like Brady because he only threw 3 passes as a rookie........only completed 1 of them so 33.3% competition haha.

First i will list these QBs that people have said are better than Dak with some of the best players on their team and than at the end give all their stats. These are rookie stats and teams only.


Peyton Manning QB
Had Marshall Faulk HB and Marvin Harrison WR, didn't have a terrible OL but wasn't great either.

Andy Dalton QB (Probowl as rookie)
Cedric Benson HB, A.J Green WR, Jermaine Gresham TE ( was a probowler that year and was pretty good at this time), also had a decent OL. Thats a really good situation for a rookie QB.

Matt Ryan QB
Michael Turner RB (All-pro that year), Roddy White WR (Probowl that year) and a pretty good OL although none made the probowl that year.

Andrew Luck QB (Probowl as a rookie)
Had Reggie Wayne WR and that's pretty much it.

Russell Wilson QB (Probowl as a rookie)
Marshawn Lynch RB (All-pro), Sidney Rice WR, Golden Tate WR, Doug Baldwin WR, Zach Miller TE and had a really good OL with 2 being probowlers and 1 All-pro. Safe to say Wilson had a much better team as a rookie QB, better coach and by far a better defense than Dak had as a rookie.

Cam Newton QB (Probowl as rookie)
Steve Smith WR, Greg Olson TE, Jeremy Shockey TE, DeAngelo Williams RB and a decent OL.

Ben Roethlisberger QB
Hines Ward WR, Marvel Smith OT, Alan Faneca LG (All-pro that year), Jeff Hartings C (All-pro that year) Jerome Bettis RB. Here is another case where it's pretty clear Ben had a much better team as a rookie QB. In fact this was most likely the best situation for any QB in league history. He also benefited from a great defense and Hall of Fame coaching. By the way his production decreased the next 2 years like some say about Dak but thats false as well.

Jameis Winston QB (Probowl as rookie)
Doug Martin RB (All-pro that year), Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson and a pretty good OL but only 1 going to the probowl that year.

Deshaun Watson QB
Lamar Miller RB, DeAndre Hopkins WR, Will Fuller WR and had an ok OL. Only played 6 games that year because he got injured but was tearing up the league in those first 6 games.....helps having the talent he had as well.

Baker Mayfield QB
Nick Chubb RB, Duke Johnson RB, Carlos Hyde RB, Jarvis Landry WR, David Njoku TE and a really good OL. I know it's the Browns but this is really good talent on offense for a rookie QB.

Dan Marino QB (Probowl as a rookie)
Mark Duper WR, Bob Kuechenberg LG, Dwight Stephenson C, Ed Newman RG and also had 2 great backs in Tony Nathan and FB Andra Franklin. This is a really good offense for a rookie QB. Thought it would be fun to use Marino because his rookie season is a top 10 season for rookies.

Dak Prescott QB (Probowl as rookie)
Ezekiel Elliott RB (leading rusher), Jason Witten TE, Dez Bryant WR and 3 all-pro OL. This is a good situation for a rookie QB but it's not the best. OL is the strength but Dez and Witten were on the decline.




Now let's look at these QBs stats and see how they shape up against each other.

Peyton Manning 3-13 record.
56.7% completion. 3739 yards passing. 26 TDs 28 INTs. 6.5 ypa. 233 ypg. 71.2 rating. 1 game winning drive and 1--4th quarter comeback.

Ben Roethlisberger 13-0 record.
66.4% completion. 2621 yards passing. 17 TDs 11 INTs. 8.9 ypa. 187 ypg. 98.1 rating. 5 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks

Russell Wilson 11-5 record.
64.1% completion. 3118 yards passing. 26 TDs 10 INTs. 7.9 ypa. 194 ypg. 100 rating. 72.7 QBR. 4 Game winning drives. 3--4th quarter cornerback.

Andrew Luck 11-5 record.
54.1% completion. 4374 yards passing. 23 TDs 18 INTs. 7.0 ypa. 273.4 ypg. 76.5 rating. 65.6 QBR. 7 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks.

Deshaun Watson 3-3 record.
61.8% completion. 1699 yards passing. 19 TDs 8 INTs. 8.3 ypa. 242.7 ypg. 103 rating. 83.6 QBR. 0 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks.

Matt Ryan 11-5 record.
61.1% completion. 3440 yards passing. 16 TDs 11 INTs. 7.9 ypa. 215 ypg. 87.7 rating. 68.5 QBR. 4 game winning drives. 2--4th quarter comebacks.

Jameis Winston 6-10 record.
58.3% completion. 4042 yards passing. 22 TDs 15 INTs. 7.6 ypa. 252.6 ypg. 84.2 rating. 61.1 QBR. 3 game winning drives. 2--4th quarter comebacks.

Cam Newton 6-10 record.
60% completion. 4051 yards passing. 21 TDs 17 INTs. 7.8 ypa. 253.2 ypg. 84.5 rating. 58.1 QBR. 1 game winning drive. 1--4th quarter comeback.

Andy Dalton 9-7 record
58.1% completion. 3398 yards passing. 20 TDs 13 INTs. 6.6 ypa. 212.4 ypg. 80.4 rating. 46.9 QBR. 4 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks.

Dan Marino 7-2 record.
58.4% completion. 2210 yards passing. 20 TDs 6 INTs. 7.5 ypa. 200.9 ypg. 96 rating. 2 game winning drives. 1--4th quarter comebacks.

Carson Wentz 7-9 record.
62.8% completion. 3782 yards passing. 16 TDs 14 INTs. 6.2 ypa. 236.4 ypg. 79.3 rating. 49.4 QBR. 1 game winning drive. 1--4th quarter comeback.

Dak Prescott 13-3 record.
67.8% completion. 3667 yards passing. 23 TDs 4 INTs. 8.0 ypa. 229.2 ypg. 104.9 rating. 78.8 QBR.
5 game winning drives. 5--4th quarter comebacks.





So as you can see Dak hasnt had the best situation as a rookie QB and beats most every rookie QB in every stat. So the myth these doubters and haters keep spewing from their mouths about Dak is just that. It's false and a blatant lie. For all the Dak supporters y'all already knew this and are ahead of the others.

The other stat that people always leave off is his rushing ability. He has 18 rushing touchdowns in his 3 years

 

[JoeKing]

The numbers don't lie Joe. History tells you by year three you know what you have in a QB. He has never taken the next step at any point in college or the pros. That all the greats have taken. In year two Brady struggled similar to Dak in 2017 but exploded in 2003 to win the Superbowl and the rest is history. Dak yet again couldn't elevate his game and get Dallas over the hump.

I'm not going to be hate it as much as I am going to accept it because I know how brain dead the Jones Family is. I reserved myself to the fact we would extend Dak the moment he won Rookie of the year instead of Zeke.

Numbers lie all the time, Johnny. In his 3 years in the league Dak's won more games than anyone not named Brady, yet the number won't tell you that. What are you calling, "that next step"? Winning SBs are done by teams not individuals. Dak isn't the reason the Cowboys didn't advance any further than they did in the playoffs, that was on the defenses inability to stop the Rams running game.

Calling the Jones family "brain dead" was uncalled for. If you don't like them then stop being a Cowboys fan. You've had plenty of time to get over the fact that the Jones family will own this team until the NFL is no more.

 

[Vtwin]

You need to take some reading classes. Johnny Hekker LA's punter threw ONE, that's a SINGLE pass for 12 yards so he has an average of 12 yards per completion.
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This is funny since I already addressed this in this very thread. You should go back and read it.

Absurd begats absurd.

 

[Vtwin]

Numbers lie all the time, Johnny. In his 3 years in the league Dak's won more games than anyone not named Brady, yet the number won't tell you that. What are you calling, "that next step"? Winning SBs are done by teams not individuals. Dak isn't the reason the Cowboys didn't advance any further than they did in the playoffs, that was on the defenses inability to stop the Rams running game.

Calling the Jones family "brain dead" was uncalled for. If you don't like them then stop being a Cowboys fan. You've had plenty of time to get over the fact that the Jones family will own this team until the NFL is no more.

Dak had nothing to do with the complete lack of offensive production from late first quarter to the fourth quarter? Especially considering the game was never out of reach?

Some production during that drought wouldn't have helped the defense?

 

[JoeKing]

Dak had nothing to do with the complete lack of offensive production from late first quarter to the fourth quarter? Especially considering the game was never out of reach?

Some production during that drought wouldn't have helped the defense?

I did not say Dak had nothing to do with the lack of offensive production. Dak is the QB so inherently he has something to do with everything on the offense. But he was not the reason we lost. The Rams did their homework and had Scott Linehan's game plan figured out. That was the cause of the so-called "offensive drought". The lack of a running game was certainly not Dak's fault.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Cowboys have set a depressing franchise record since Zeke's suspension..

They’ve now scored fewer than 10 points in three consecutive regular season games for the first time in the team’s history.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/...ranchise-record-since-zekes-suspension-began/


Then they went further into the record books going 15 quarters of offense without 1 TD.....ya we can win without ZEKE!!!!

Does Dak have a winning record without Zeke, yes or no?

 

[Irvin88_4life]

The other stat that people always leave off is his rushing ability. He has 18 rushing touchdowns in his 3 years

Oh no doubt. I usually include them but i was only using passing stats since some say he can't throw.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Does Dak have a winning record without Zeke, yes or no?

NO...he went 3-3 during Zeke's 6 game suspension beating only 3 non playoff teams........by the way those losses we're embarrassing as our offense was R.I.P.

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[Irvin88_4life]

NO...he went 3-3 during Zeke's 6 game suspension beating only 3 non playoff teams........by the way those losses we're embarrassing as our offense was R.I.P.

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Stop cherry picking games and look at every game Dak has played without Zeke........hint.......it's a winning record.

 

[Johnny23]

Numbers lie all the time, Johnny. In his 3 years in the league Dak's won more games than anyone not named Brady, yet the number won't tell you that. What are you calling, "that next step"? Winning SBs are done by teams not individuals. Dak isn't the reason the Cowboys didn't advance any further than they did in the playoffs, that was on the defenses inability to stop the Rams running game.

Calling the Jones family "brain dead" was uncalled for. If you don't like them then stop being a Cowboys fan. You've had plenty of time to get over the fact that the Jones family will own this team until the NFL is no more.

No Joe. Dak's just as guilty as the rest of the team. He threw the pick to Micah Hyde in the GBQB game that ended up being the difference. He was the field general and leader of the offense. Taking the next step is putting the team on your back. Performing when the chips are down. Carrying your team and putting them in position to win.

Dak's not that guy. He's more likely to implode.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Stop cherry picking games and look at every game Dak has played without Zeke........hint.......it's a winning record.

Honestly I can't recall any other games where Zeke did not start with the exception of the 6 game suspension.....correct me if I'm wrong?

P.S. If I've missed any I'm pretty sure they we're probably dead beat teams going nowhere but the couch for the playoffs....

 

[WillieBeamen]

Stop cherry picking games and look at every game Dak has played without Zeke........hint.......it's a winning record.

Yes, his 9 passing tds in those 8 games really showed us how elite he is...

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Yes, his 9 passing tds in those 8 games really showed us how elite he is...

Try comprehending first before making up stuff that i didn't say.