Dak's Value and Russel Wilson's 1st Extension

[X550i]

I don't see how they pay the QB, RB, and WR; especially with the LB's looming, I'll stick to my predicition that don't be surprised if Zeke is waved sayonara same as Demarco Murray.
Not my preference, but my prediction.

 

[CouchCoach]

Well, one could argue that 30 million for the QB versus 15-20 million value added would make it so your team was much less competitive.

On the Dak supporter side, if you believe in him, then you believe your fate is sealed in that he alone can carry you-

I just don't think he can!

Agree, I do not see him as a carry the team QB but I also do not see Brady as that. He simply executes the offense and hits the open receiver.

However, there are going to be times that it all comes down to the QB making that play when it's all on the line. So far, I do not see Dak as that but few were at 3 seasons in. Manning wasn't, Marino wasn't, Brees wasn't and Rodgers and Romo hadn't even been starters in their first 3 seasons.

I am not selling Dak but I am allowing for the possibility that he makes progress as a NFL QB. I have a lot more faith in him improving than I do is this brain trust making the other decisions around him that build a champion or keep a true contender together.

 

[aikemirv]

Yep, because every team overpays certain positions, can't really avoid that. It's that balance that is such a challenge for most to achieve.

If you look at every team that's accomplished a lot since FA came into being, it's not just their stars that shine. When PHL won their ring, look at the contributors on that team. Their GM is anal about every position, not just the starters and that has paid off.

Look at Belichick's team, same thing. It's about the entire team, including ST. No position is unimportant, no detail left unturned. Belichick didn't beat KC or LA with just his starters, he used his entire team. That's the major difference between him and everybody else and why they all talk of emulating him, few do. And the Cowboys do not.

And Brady has played at a discount!

 

[armadillooutlaw]

4yr/88mil. 50 million guaranteed.

 

[CouchCoach]

I don't see how they pay the QB, RB, and WR; especially with the LB's looming, I'll stick to my predicition that don't be surprised if Zeke is waved sayonara same as Demarco Murray.
Not my preference, but my prediction.

Can't pay everyone and going down that "path of the stars" leads to nowhere. But I have a hard time believing they will be able to let what has been the offense walk. They should because no RB is worth 13-15M a season when they are plentiful but the owner is a follow the ball guy and still thinks it was those triplets that got those rings.

 

[G2]

Can't pay everyone and going down that "path of the stars" leads to nowhere. But I have a hard time believing they will be able to let what has been the offense walk. They should because no RB is worth 13-15M a season when they are plentiful but the owner is a follow the ball guy and still thinks it was those triplets that got those rings.

I don't know about that. They wouldn't give Murray what he wanted. And we had Romo and Bryant.

 

[CouchCoach]

And Brady has played at a discount!

Several reasons for that and he's beyond the money measurement, it's all about legendary status to him now, he's not even compared to other QB's anymore, only to himself and what he's accomplished.

I also think he made a deal with Kraft if they'd get rid of his challenger because he knew his HC is the coldest hearted sob that's ever coached, which is why he's the most successful. Other coaches and GMs talk about "team", Belichick personifies that word. I don't like him or his personality but I sure like how he's kept the ultimate team sport all about team and lives that no part is greater than the whole.

 

[X550i]

Can't pay everyone and going down that "path of the stars" leads to nowhere. But I have a hard time believing they will be able to let what has been the offense walk. They should because no RB is worth 13-15M a season when they are plentiful but the owner is a follow the ball guy and still thinks it was those triplets that got those rings.

Maybe so, then all the money will be invested on the offense and the defense will become a huge problem.

 

[sean10mm]

Brady's career earnings were mostly in the ballpark of Peyton Manning's once Brady got off his 6th round rookie deal. He was only playing on a "discount" when he was older than almost every good starter in the league by 5-10 years, and those deals were still relatively high when you looked at the 100% guaranteed numbers. The "discount" was mostly in not demanding maximum pay to match the younger elite guys (which is what Drew Brees did to the Saints, soaking them for every dime.)

 

[CouchCoach]

I don't know about that. They wouldn't give Murray what he wanted. And we had Romo and Bryant.

Murray wasn't Elliott. He had one good season and both his RB and WR were up. And I don't think he viewed the RB position as critical to success as he does now. And this is Booger and 1st round picks have a special place in his heart.

G, if he's going to be giving 25-30M a year to his QB and has seen his QB without his RB, what do you think he's going to do? I think he's going to make a mistake because he still has stars in his eyes.

 

[John813]

25 mil AAV right now would be a "steal".

28 probably would be a fair number.

What's I'm more interested in is how much, percentile, is guaranteed. Cousins got 100% guaranted, Rodgers got 73%, Jimmy G got 54%, Ryan at 66% etc...

 

[glimmerman]

Several reasons for that and he's beyond the money measurement, it's all about legendary status to him now, he's not even compared to other QB's anymore, only to himself and what he's accomplished.

I also think he made a deal with Kraft if they'd get rid of his challenger because he knew his HC is the coldest hearted sob that's ever coached, which is why he's the most successful. Other coaches and GMs talk about "team", Belichick personifies that word. I don't like him or his personality but I sure like how he's kept the ultimate team sport all about team and lives that no part is greater than the whole.

Yeah is cheap with his team and quick to let a player walk if he wants to much. But is the highest paid hc.

 

[CouchCoach]

Maybe so, then all the money will be invested on the offense and the defense will become a huge problem.

Have we not had the problem before?

X, do you think there is a plan at work here? A template that lays out how much you max out each position in order to achieve balance so you have enough cap to address all 3 phases or is this a "we're making this up as we go" situation?

I do not fault them though, this is a reflection of the market they're in. The Cowboys haven't been known for D since Johnson left. He inherited Irvin, Aikman was a given and Emmitt was a fall back after he missed out on James Francis. Hell, Jimmy took a DT with the 1st pick.

Dallas, except for a few exceptions like Lilly and Ware, has always been about the show, the offense. If they tried to build a team like the Ravens or what the Steelers used to do until they spoiled their own fans, Booger would not have near the fun he has watching his offense play. And there's something to be said for that, the man does own the team. And the latter day PT Barnum knows they'll pay a lot more to see the man on the flying trapeze than a bunch of clowns.

 

[CouchCoach]

Yeah is cheap with his team and quick to let a player walk if he wants to much. But is the highest paid hc.

And deserves that and more. He's head and shoulders above any of these coaches today and counts on them being attached to their assets.

Think any of these other HC's would be so team focused that they would single out the MVP for a chewing out over a mistake? Most are afraid to do that with the vets in private, see GB and PIT. Think if the owner is in the locker room for a meeting, but not participating, most eyes are checking him out to see if he's approving? Think any of the NE players are asking each other "who the hell is in charge"?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Well, you have to be able to afford to keep the ones who deserve it. Or have a QB who can carry you......

Yeah but you still have to draft well. This myth that you can’t win if you pay your qb is just that. A myth.

 

[X550i]

Have we not had the problem before?

X, do you think there is a plan at work here? A template that lays out how much you max out each position in order to achieve balance so you have enough cap to address all 3 phases or is this a "we're making this up as we go" situation?

I do not fault them though, this is a reflection of the market they're in. The Cowboys haven't been known for D since Johnson left. He inherited Irvin, Aikman was a given and Emmitt was a fall back after he missed out on James Francis. Hell, Jimmy took a DT with the 1st pick.

Dallas, except for a few exceptions like Lilly and Ware, has always been about the show, the offense. If they tried to build a team like the Ravens or what the Steelers used to do until they spoiled their own fans, Booger would not have near the fun he has watching his offense play. And there's something to be said for that, the man does own the team. And the latter day PT Barnum knows they'll pay a lot more to see the man on the flying trapeze than a bunch of clowns.

Look, I'm sure they have a plan and as a Cowboy fan I just want it to work. If they can sign everyone, who wouldn't want that?
However in my view looking at this team as constructed, they need a dominant defense to win the SB.

In my lifetime I've seen the Cowboys win SB's with Staubach and Aikman as the QB's. Those teams had elite defenses and a run game that took the pressure off the offense.
I personally don't need flying trapeze acts, clowns are fine as long as they get the job done.

 

[mattjames2010]

On July 31, 2015, Russel Wilson signed a contract extension worth 87.6 million/61.5 million guaranteed for 4 years with the Seattle Seahawks. This was after winning a Superbowl several months earlier of course and as he was entering the final year of his rookie deal. Wilson did everything he needed to do and had the LOB playing on the other side and a dominating RB, Marshawn Lynch, behind him.

Let's take a look at Wilson's first 3 year's in the league and compare them to Dak's first 3 years:

Wilson - Passing
2012 26TD, 10INT, 3118 yards, 64.1%, 7.9AVG
2013 26TD, 9INT, 3357 yards, 63.1%, 8.2AVG
2014 20TD, 7INT, 3457 yards, 63.1%, 7.7AVG

Dak - Passing
2016 23TD, 4INT, 3,667 yards, 67.8%, 8.0 AVG
2017 22TD, 13INT, 3324 yards, 62.9%, 6.8 AVG
2018 22TD, 8INT, 3885 yards, 67.7%, 7.4 AVG

What about running the ball as a QB?

Wilson - Rushing
2012 489 yards, 5.2 AVG, 4TD, 2Fumbles
2013 539 yards, 5.6 AVG, 1TD, 2Fumbles
2014 849 yards, 7.2 AVG, 6TD, 5Fumbles

Dak - Rushing
2016 282 yards, 4.9 AVG, 6TD, 3Fumbles
2017 357 yards, 6.3 AVG, 6TD, 0Fumbles
2018 305 yards, 4.1 AVG, 6TD, 4Fumbles

Based on these numbers, I'd say Wilson had a better start to his career-but- Dak is certainly close. Dak might even have an argument that he is the better passer as he out produced Wilson in yards and percentage completion. Wilson is far more mobile compared to Dak. But again, Dak is close in effectiveness.

So, Wilson's 2015 deal should be a benchmark in determining Dak's value today. The QB market has changed with a couple of teams overpaying in free agency (49ers and Garappolo, Vikings and Cousins), but hopefully those deals do not influence Dak's deal all that much.

My guess is a 4 year 104 million/75 million guaranteed deal is happening fairly soon, definitely before the start of the season for the Quarteback of the Dallas Cowboys.

He doesn't and Wilson has one of the best deep balls in the league - that actually matters.

 

[AbeBeta]

I don't see how they pay the QB, RB, and WR; especially with the LB's looming, I'll stick to my predicition that don't be surprised if Zeke is waved sayonara same as Demarco Murray.
Not my preference, but my prediction.

Murray was a really good RB.

Zeke is in the argument for best RB in the league.

These are two completely different situations

 

[stiletto]

25 mil AAV right now would be a "steal".

28 probably would be a fair number.

What's I'm more interested in is how much, percentile, is guaranteed. Cousins got 100% guaranted, Rodgers got 73%, Jimmy G got 54%, Ryan at 66% etc...

I'm with you there...Probably $28-$29mil. $80mil guaranteed? He's getting it..

 

[CouchCoach]

Look, I'm sure they have a plan and as a Cowboy fan I just want it to work. If they can sign everyone, who wouldn't want that?
However in my view looking at this team as constructed, they need a dominant defense to win the SB.

In my lifetime I've seen the Cowboys win SB's with Staubach and Aikman as the QB's. Those teams had elite defenses and a run game that took the pressure off the offense.
I personally don't need flying trapeze acts, clowns are fine as long as they get the job done.

Preaching to the choir on that.