Where would you rank Dak?

[Sydla]

2 Td passes over 4 games for Goff in playoffs.


Dak had 3 in lambeau his rookie season.

Are you talking playoffs or regular season? I am confused because you are talking about Goff and his performance in the playoffs and then talk about Dak in Lambeau.

The game in Lambeau was a regular season game. We played the Packers in the playoffs in AT&T. FWIW, he threw for 3 TDs in both games.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

He's definitely ahead of Wentz that's all I know.

That’s not a lot

 

[Beaker42]

Between 18-20.

LOL that’s not accurate erod - he’s top 10 but barely. Like #10.

 

[HungryLion]

Goff on that SB run was as bad as Dak's second half slump in 2017.
It was impressive how well they compensated for it.

Imagine having a high quality head coach.

 

[Proof]

LOL in 2016, neither Dez nor Witten was a “Pro Bowler”. Dez had already begun his steep decline. Nice try!

Dak’s QBR in 2016 was 3rd-best in the NFL, not “in the middle”. Nice try!

LOL you literally said Zeke “ran us to victory” before, I’m glad you’re backtracking on that.

Dez went smooth off when he came back from injury and the 8 games over the 2nd half of the season his numbers were on par with his career highs. He won us the game against the Vikings and dominated the packers in the playoffs. Knock if off

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You mean you didnt take into account rushing TD's and wins because it didnt suit your agenda?

And how come you didnt mention that he has led the league in 4th quarter and overtime comebacks the last 3 years?

So QB's dont run the football these days?

So when Dak runs in one of his 6-8 rushing TD's do the refs call it back because it doenst count? LOL

Poor troll, its only going to get harder on you. With the Oline healthy again the entire offense should be humming.

a QBs primary measure of success is his passing ability. Tom Brady is the measuring stick these days and a debate on if he is the GOAT. Peyton Manning the same....no one ever dings them for not being able to run......that's secondary and a nice to have....Newton runs and gets rushing yards and rushing TDs...no one says, OMG look at that.... but its an agenda item that suits the Dak lovers argument.

and the other side of the coin, which I have to ask is why did Dak put us in a losing position to have to make the most 4th Quarter come backs? so by that measure he has the worst record in the league in putting the team behind in 3.5 quarters......

come on man....stop spining

 

[Sydla]

LOL that’s not accurate erod - he’s top 10 but barely. Like #10.

More like #12-13.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Specifically.


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Where do you slot him and who above and below?

And if he’s outside the top ten by all means show your work as well.

“Top ten” , “Top fifteen” etc are abstract concepts without people occupying the spots. So what say you?

1. Brady
2. Rodgers
3. Brees
4. Luck
5. Roethlisberger (quietly threw for 5k yards and 67% comp last year)
6. Wilson
7. Mahomes
8. Ryan
9. Wentz
10. Rivers
11. Stafford
12. Goff
13. Watson
14. Foles
15. Newton
16. Prescott
17. Cousins
18. Fitzpatrick
19. Dalton
20. Manning
21. Mayfield
22. Mariota
23. Trubisky
24. Garoppolo
25. Carr
26. Jackson
27. Darnold
28. Flacco
29. Allen
30. Winston
31. Mccoy
32. Rosen


I think it’s a simple test of going one by one and asking, “Would he have won 10 or more games if he were Dallas’s QB?”

Deshawn Watson? Yes.

Cam Newton in an injury-less hypothetical? Probably, yeah. He’s a monster, and he’d be crazy with Zeke in the backfield. He’s done more with worse WR.

Foles? Likely. If he’s good at anything it’s making the small plays that you need at the right time. Zeke will do the rest.

Top half, I think that’s fair.

 

[Hennessy_King]

1. Brady
2. Rodgers
3. Brees
4. Luck
5. Roethlisberger (quietly threw for 5k yards and 67% comp last year)
6. Wilson
7. Mahomes
8. Ryan
9. Wentz
10. Rivers
11. Stafford
12. Goff
13. Watson
14. Foles
15. Newton
16. Prescott
17. Cousins
18. Fitzpatrick
19. Dalton
20. Manning
21. Mayfield
22. Mariota
23. Trubisky
24. Garoppolo
25. Carr
26. Jackson
27. Darnold
28. Flacco
29. Allen
30. Winston
31. Mccoy
32. Rosen


I think it’s a simple test of going one by one and asking, “Would he have won 10 or more games if he were Dallas’s QB?”

Deshawn Watson? Yes.

Cam Newton in an injury-less hypothetical? Probably, yeah. He’s a monster, and he’d be crazy with Zeke in the backfield. He’s done more with worse WR.

Foles? Likely. If he’s good at anything it’s making the small plays that you need at the right time. Zeke will do the rest.

Top half, I think that’s fair.

List is ok. Wentz should be lower he can't stay healthy. Stafford should be lower he's a garbage time stat padder. And get foles the heck outta there. That philly team had a ton of talent for the SB run and he sucks playing for anyone other than Dougie.

 

[Flamma]

16 to 20

In no particular order.
No doubt I`d take: Brady, Ben, Mayfield, Rivers, Mahomes, Watson, Luck, Rodgers, Stafford, Ryan, Brees, Cam, Wentz, Goff and Wilson over Dak,

Cousins, Mariota, Jimmy G, and others are comparable, then you have the young ones that are not included here like Arnold and Allen that could end up being better.

You missed Wilson and a few others. But I would not put Goff on that list and am hesitant with Wentz as well. Even though I mostly agree with you I do have to say one thing about Dak. He has on many occasions have an uncanny will to win. I don't quite know how to describe it. But in games when we're not getting a beat down he finds a way to win. One way or another we pull it out. Even I can see that and I am usually pretty harsh on Dak. How many of the QBs on your list above fall into this category? Brady, Rodgers? As good as Mahomes is, and as flashy as he is, I don't see that quality.

 

[Hennessy_King]

You missed Wilson and a few others. But I would not put Goff on that list and am hesitant with Wentz as well. Even though I mostly agree with you I do have to say one thing about Dak. He has on many occasions have an uncanny will to win. I don't quite know how to describe it. But in games when we're not getting a beat down he finds a way to win. One way or another we pull it out. Even I can see that and I am usually pretty harsh on Dak. How many of the QBs on your list above fall into this category? Brady, Rodgers? As good as Mahomes is, and as flashy as he is, I don't see that quality.

Goff and Wentz have had way better teams than Dak has had. Goff looked like trash in the super bowl when his coach couldn't coddle him.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

Everyone in here is dumb.

 

[HungryLion]

Goff and Wentz have had way better teams than Dak has had. Goff looked like trash in the super bowl when his coach couldn't coddle him.

Goff played like crap the entire playoffs. He played like crap against the Cowboys. Only reason they won is because our defense let an overweight, backup RB run all over them. It was downright embarrassing.

Dak outplayed Goff significantly in that game, despite our running game being completely stuffed.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

List is ok. Wentz should be lower he can't stay healthy. Stafford should be lower he's a garbage time stat padder. And get foles the heck outta there. That philly team had a ton of talent for the SB run and he sucks playing for anyone other than Dougie.

Injury is hard to qualify. Mayfield was responsible for more big plays last year than Aaron Rodgers because of it. Does that make Mayfield better than Aaron Rodgers? That includes Wentz too. People will bank on him missing lots of games, but that's the whole argument. Nobody is saying he's not good when he's out there, as he arguably was better in 2018 than 2017. 10% higher completion % (!) despite attempting MORE yards per attempt. Seems like a made up stat, but its true. Now has Desean Jackson, now has Goedert in year 2, easily the best receiving corps he's ever had.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Injury is hard to qualify. Mayfield was responsible for more big plays last year than Aaron Rodgers because of it. Does that make Mayfield better than Aaron Rodgers? That includes Wentz too. People will bank on him missing lots of games, but that's the whole argument. Nobody is saying he's not good when he's out there, as he arguably was better in 2018 than 2017. 10% higher completion % (!) despite attempting MORE yards per attempt. Seems like a made up stat, but its true. Now has Desean Jackson, now has Goedert in year 2, easily the best receiving corps he's ever had.

Wentz obviously was on a great team. Didn't even need him to win a SB so how good is he really.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Wentz obviously was on a great team. Didn't even need him to win a SB so how good is he really.

Not last year, bottom rung run game, low end defense. Dak had the better team, especially after they got Cooper.

 

[Flamma]

Goff and Wentz have had way better teams than Dak has had. Goff looked like trash in the super bowl when his coach couldn't coddle him.

Absolutely. See that game against Chicago Goff had? Dak didn't play that bad in the Atlanta game when he was sacked 8 times knocked down 96 times and hurried 400 times. As far as Wentz goes, I saw how he played in '16. I saw how he played in '17 when he had the talent around him. And how Foles played when Wentz got injured. So yeah, talent means a lot even for good QBs. So yeah, right about now Wentz would worry me. I don't know how that injury affected him. And I don't know how injury prone he is. That's a major concern.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think the team answerd ur question for you late last yr and confirmed it in the offseason in firing Linehan.

I would not say that at all. I mean, I can see why you can make an argument such as this but, in all fairness, Linehan was really not running his Offense. He was running Garrett's Offense and while I still don't love Linehan's Offense, I can not say that what we have seen these past few seasons is all Linehan. In short, while Linehan is gone, the problem may still exist.

 

[HungryLion]

Injury is hard to qualify. Mayfield was responsible for more big plays last year than Aaron Rodgers because of it. Does that make Mayfield better than Aaron Rodgers? That includes Wentz too. People will bank on him missing lots of games, but that's the whole argument. Nobody is saying he's not good when he's out there, as he arguably was better in 2018 than 2017. 10% higher completion % (!) despite attempting MORE yards per attempt. Seems like a made up stat, but its true. Now has Desean Jackson, now has Goedert in year 2, easily the best receiving corps he's ever had.

Injury is hard to quantify because you are never certain when it will happen next. That being said. Wentz has missed significant game time 3 of the last 4 seasons dating back to college. Even in the other season he also suffered an injury that would have caused him to miss games if it wasn’t in pre-season.

Obviously, as I’m sure you know he needs to stay healthy for an entire season/ post season. It certainly could happen, probably will some years. But the injury questions aren’t going to linger until he does show he can put a couple injury free seasons together.

That being said. Even healthy there are a couple guys you have listed behind him that are arguably just as good when healthy. Clearly it’s a close call. When you get into that

Personally, I feel like Rivers is better than Wentz. Although obviously rivers is also close to retirement.

But yeah when you get into that 8 to 16 range you have listed. The margins between the QB’s start to get smaller and smaller as to who is better. As they all have weaknesses that need to be taken into consideration.

 

[HungryLion]

Not last year, bottom rung run game, low end defense. Dak had the better team, especially after they got Cooper.

I would argue Wentz had a better offensive supporting cast, prior to the Cooper acquisition.

Yes your run game suffered. But your OL was probably a little better and your receivers and tight end were far superior.