Cowboys Should Consider Trading for Rosen

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You don’t draft a QB in the 1st round and hope he fits a system. You draft a QB in the 1st round and build the team around his strengths. Saying “he doesn’t fit the system” is saying he sucks.
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Which is what Kingsbury has done as a college coach, having had QB's who ran the ball a lot (Manziel) to QB's who have a big arm (Mahomes) to QBs who were more dependent on the system and their grasp of the system (Keenum). He has always worked with the skills of the QB he is coaching. If Kingsbury wants to get rid of Rosen it's because he doesn't like Rosen's talent, not because he can't work with Rosen's style.
 
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Keenum and Mahomes weren't "pro-style" only in the sense that the offense wasn't exactly "pro-style", but that was more about schemes than individual style of play. Both Keenum and Mahomes were pocket passers.
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Keenum didn't run a Pro-style Offense, neither did Mahomes.
 
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No it doesn't mean they would have a lot better record. Cardinals had more problems than just the quarterback position. If he had a season like Baker Mayfield did his team still would've sucked but he would've been in the running for ROY. They aren't trading him if he has that type of year lat year.

And Rosen fits EXACTLY what Kingsbury should want. He's big, mobile and accurate. There is more there than he just wants Murray.
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How many ROY QBs have you seen that didn't have a better record then 3-13?

I've already said that the Cards had more problems then just a QB so again, what is your point? Is it to repeat things I've already said?

If Mayfield had the OL the Cards had, he would not have been ROY. It's as simple as that. Rosen doesn't fit Kingsbury's Offense at all. Have you ever even seen Rosen play? He is not mobile, he is exactly the opposite of a mobile QB, but whatever, your story, you tell it.
 
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What a stupid thought. It's almost as bad of an idea as NYC banning sky scrappers and hotdogs. We have a franchise QB and a backup. How about you get over your dislike for the man and accept he's our QB for the next decade.
 
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What? A proven QB with 3 years of experience ,32-16 wins/ losses and a proven leader versus Rosen. Sometimes I just shake my head even at mods! I suppose even mods are entitled to (insert comment here)
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What are you talking about? Sometimes I shake my head a posters. I am not a Mod and you are lost in what you think you understand. Show me one place where I say that Rosen is preferable to Dak. Lucky I'm not a Mod, otherwise, who knows about your post.
 
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Keenum didn't run a Pro-style Offense, neither did Mahomes.
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This is just like yesterday - you are saying you disagree by repeating what I said as if it has a different meaning when you type it. I said they didn't run a pro style offense, and you say you disagree because they didn't run a pro style offense. If I say 2+2=4, are you going to tell me you disagree because 2+2=4?

You are throwing up a smoke screen - not sure why unless you somehow think it's important to appear to potential readers as if you've made a point. I never said, or suggested, Kingsbury ran a pro-style offense in college. I said he had success both with QBs who were running QBs and pocket passers. The "pocket" isn't something that exists only in a "pro-style" system, and "pocket passer" doesn't mean someone who is incapable of throwing from any point on the field that is outside the pocket. Again, it merely means passing from the pocket is where the bulk of their production comes from and what the majority of their success is based on.
 
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How many ROY QBs have you seen that didn't have a better record then 3-13?

I've already said that the Cards had more problems then just a QB so again, what is your point? Is it to repeat things I've already said?

If Mayfield had the OL the Cards had, he would not have been ROY. It's as simple as that. Rosen doesn't fit Kingsbury's Offense at all. Have you ever even seen Rosen play? He is not mobile, he is exactly the opposite of a mobile QB, but whatever, your story, you tell it.
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And, again, Kingsbury doesn't run an offense that is pinned to one style of QB. Keenum, Manziel and Mahomes were all very different QB's, and Kingsbury was able to be successful with all 3. The moral of the story is that what fits Kingsbury's system is talent. If he dumps Rosen it will be because he doesn't think Rosen has it.
 
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This is just like yesterday - you are saying you disagree by repeating what I said as if it has a different meaning when you type it. I said they didn't run a pro style offense, and you say you disagree because they didn't run a pro style offense. If I say 2+2=4, are you going to tell me you disagree because 2+2=4?

You are throwing up a smoke screen - not sure why unless you somehow think it's important to appear to potential readers as if you've made a point. I never said, or suggested, Kingsbury ran a pro-style offense in college. I said he had success both with QBs who were running QBs and pocket passers. The "pocket" isn't something that exists only in a "pro-style" system, and "pocket passer" doesn't mean someone who is incapable of throwing from any point on the field that is outside the pocket. Again, it merely means passing from the pocket is where the bulk of their production comes from and what the majority of their success is based on.
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I've watched Big 12 Football since the day it became the Big 12. I've never seen Tech run a Pro Style Offense. I mean, if it takes repeating, then I guess that's what I will do but won't change the fact that neither Mahomes nor Keenum ran a Pro Style Offense.

Rosen fits a Pro Style Offense. That's the point that's being made to you. Rosen doesn't fit Kingsbury's Offense. No amount of claiming he does makes that true. I, in turn, don't understand how you don't get this.
 
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What are you talking about? Sometimes I shake my head a posters. I am not a Mod and you are lost in what you think you understand. Show me one place where I say that Rosen is preferable to Dak. Lucky I'm not a Mod, otherwise, who knows about your post.
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lol, you're not a mod? Forgive me all to pieces
 
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And, again, Kingsbury doesn't run an offense that is pinned to one style of QB. Keenum, Manziel and Mahomes were all very different QB's, and Kingsbury was able to be successful with all 3. The moral of the story is that what fits Kingsbury's system is talent. If he dumps Rosen it will be because he doesn't think Rosen has it.
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So let me get this straight. You are claiming that Rosen, a classic Pro Style QB with average to below average mobility fits Kingsbury's Offense even though, Kingsbury has never ever run a Pro Style Offense? Is that an accurate depiction of what you are suggesting? You are suggesting that a first year Head Coach in the NFL, who has the first pick in the Draft, should by pass the QB he covets in favor of a QB that won't fit the Offense Kingsbury will run? Is that what you are suggesting? All three of the QBs you list all had much better mobility then Rosen. I suppose that next you will be telling me that Rosen doesn't fit in our scheme because he doesn't have mobility.
 
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