The myth of Dak compared to reality

[Irvin88_4life]

what? Scott was good enough for the other guy and was super Dak's first year, and Garrett was COY, but when the rest of the NFL figured out Dak, it's the coaches who suck?
What's a coach suppose to do with a below average qb with a big heart? Who's going to invent a system to fix him?
Only way I see a Dak Dilfer doing great is to have a great defense and a great running game. So let's sign him for a record signing and watch the good players disappear..

Many wanted Linehan and Garrett fired long before Dak came around.

 

[Silver N Blue]

RGIII had a rookie breaking year as well and then never played nearly as well again. Could make an argument that is true for Dak as well, so to pull out his rookie year and not look at his following 2 years is biased in itself.

I think people that doubt Dak primarily doubt him because he is an inaccurate passer. 3rd and 10+ is always a give up screen unless it is at the end of the game. Call people haters if you want but most people see inaccurate passing as a concern, and Dak's play since his rookie year hasn't eliminated that a problem.

If you look at his 3rd and long data he has a good completion percentage but a poor 1st down success rate. That has been true since his rookie year. I saw some things towards the end of last year I hadn't seen before, mainly sideline throws in the 10-20 yard range that could keep defenses from clogging the middle. I'm still hopeful but I don't understand the hurry to pay him a ton of money. I'd like to see what year 4 brings unless they think they will have to pay even more then.

I'd say we have a 50/50 shot at being set at QB for a long time versus straddled in cap hell.

I’ve been writing about this since the conclusion of his rookie year.

 

[kskboys]

Many wanted Linehan and Garrett fired long before Dak came around.

A long long long time!!!!!

Especially after calling a very low percentage pass on 4th down in the playoffs w/ the game on the line. Thinking a 51 yard FG is a chip shot. Not running the ball until they were forced to. Driving down the field like the other team's D was water using the running game, and then suddenly throwing 3 straight long passes when in the red zone. Not understanding the running game and the effect it has on the passing game.

 

[Falco78]

A winner of what exactly? Bc hes had a lower win % than Tony had in his first 3 years starting and no one considered him a “winner”. We are in the same place we’ve been as a franchise since 96...

Romo was considered elite for some of his years.... Romo also had years in system before starting

 

[InTheZone]

Romo was considered elite for some of his years.... Romo also had years in system before starting

Someone walked in on one of the best olines, and had the leading rusher for each of his 3 seasons. Yes I'm aware this player was suspended for part of a season.

 

[Whirlwin]

In this research i wanted to use facts to either prove the myth of Dak true or false. I will not be using the "eye" bias but instead lay out the facts. I used Pro Football reference for most of this research. Folks like to say Dak stepped into the greatest position for a rookie QB ( they say rookie because of the offense that QBs like Mahomes have but not as rookies cause they sat on the bench). I also didn't use guys like Brady because he only threw 3 passes as a rookie........only completed 1 of them so 33.3% competition haha.

First i will list these QBs that people have said are better than Dak with some of the best players on their team and than at the end give all their stats. These are rookie stats and teams only.


Peyton Manning QB
Had Marshall Faulk HB and Marvin Harrison WR, didn't have a terrible OL but wasn't great either.

Andy Dalton QB (Probowl as rookie)
Cedric Benson HB, A.J Green WR, Jermaine Gresham TE ( was a probowler that year and was pretty good at this time), also had a decent OL. Thats a really good situation for a rookie QB.

Matt Ryan QB
Michael Turner RB (All-pro that year), Roddy White WR (Probowl that year) and a pretty good OL although none made the probowl that year.

Andrew Luck QB (Probowl as a rookie)
Had Reggie Wayne WR and that's pretty much it.

Russell Wilson QB (Probowl as a rookie)
Marshawn Lynch RB (All-pro), Sidney Rice WR, Golden Tate WR, Doug Baldwin WR, Zach Miller TE and had a really good OL with 2 being probowlers and 1 All-pro. Safe to say Wilson had a much better team as a rookie QB, better coach and by far a better defense than Dak had as a rookie.

Cam Newton QB (Probowl as rookie)
Steve Smith WR, Greg Olson TE, Jeremy Shockey TE, DeAngelo Williams RB and a decent OL.

Ben Roethlisberger QB
Hines Ward WR, Marvel Smith OT, Alan Faneca LG (All-pro that year), Jeff Hartings C (All-pro that year) Jerome Bettis RB. Here is another case where it's pretty clear Ben had a much better team as a rookie QB. In fact this was most likely the best situation for any QB in league history. He also benefited from a great defense and Hall of Fame coaching. By the way his production decreased the next 2 years like some say about Dak but thats false as well.

Jameis Winston QB (Probowl as rookie)
Doug Martin RB (All-pro that year), Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson and a pretty good OL but only 1 going to the probowl that year.

Deshaun Watson QB
Lamar Miller RB, DeAndre Hopkins WR, Will Fuller WR and had an ok OL. Only played 6 games that year because he got injured but was tearing up the league in those first 6 games.....helps having the talent he had as well.

Baker Mayfield QB
Nick Chubb RB, Duke Johnson RB, Carlos Hyde RB, Jarvis Landry WR, David Njoku TE and a really good OL. I know it's the Browns but this is really good talent on offense for a rookie QB.

Dan Marino QB (Probowl as a rookie)
Mark Duper WR, Bob Kuechenberg LG, Dwight Stephenson C, Ed Newman RG and also had 2 great backs in Tony Nathan and FB Andra Franklin. This is a really good offense for a rookie QB. Thought it would be fun to use Marino because his rookie season is a top 10 season for rookies.

Dak Prescott QB (Probowl as rookie)
Ezekiel Elliott RB (leading rusher), Jason Witten TE, Dez Bryant WR and 3 all-pro OL. This is a good situation for a rookie QB but it's not the best. OL is the strength but Dez and Witten were on the decline.




Now let's look at these QBs stats and see how they shape up against each other.

Peyton Manning 3-13 record.
56.7% completion. 3739 yards passing. 26 TDs 28 INTs. 6.5 ypa. 233 ypg. 71.2 rating. 1 game winning drive and 1--4th quarter comeback.

Ben Roethlisberger 13-0 record.
66.4% completion. 2621 yards passing. 17 TDs 11 INTs. 8.9 ypa. 187 ypg. 98.1 rating. 5 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks

Russell Wilson 11-5 record.
64.1% completion. 3118 yards passing. 26 TDs 10 INTs. 7.9 ypa. 194 ypg. 100 rating. 72.7 QBR. 4 Game winning drives. 3--4th quarter cornerback.

Andrew Luck 11-5 record.
54.1% completion. 4374 yards passing. 23 TDs 18 INTs. 7.0 ypa. 273.4 ypg. 76.5 rating. 65.6 QBR. 7 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks.

Deshaun Watson 3-3 record.
61.8% completion. 1699 yards passing. 19 TDs 8 INTs. 8.3 ypa. 242.7 ypg. 103 rating. 83.6 QBR. 0 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks.

Matt Ryan 11-5 record.
61.1% completion. 3440 yards passing. 16 TDs 11 INTs. 7.9 ypa. 215 ypg. 87.7 rating. 68.5 QBR. 4 game winning drives. 2--4th quarter comebacks.

Jameis Winston 6-10 record.
58.3% completion. 4042 yards passing. 22 TDs 15 INTs. 7.6 ypa. 252.6 ypg. 84.2 rating. 61.1 QBR. 3 game winning drives. 2--4th quarter comebacks.

Cam Newton 6-10 record.
60% completion. 4051 yards passing. 21 TDs 17 INTs. 7.8 ypa. 253.2 ypg. 84.5 rating. 58.1 QBR. 1 game winning drive. 1--4th quarter comeback.

Andy Dalton 9-7 record
58.1% completion. 3398 yards passing. 20 TDs 13 INTs. 6.6 ypa. 212.4 ypg. 80.4 rating. 46.9 QBR. 4 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks.

Dan Marino 7-2 record.
58.4% completion. 2210 yards passing. 20 TDs 6 INTs. 7.5 ypa. 200.9 ypg. 96 rating. 2 game winning drives. 1--4th quarter comebacks.

Carson Wentz 7-9 record.
62.8% completion. 3782 yards passing. 16 TDs 14 INTs. 6.2 ypa. 236.4 ypg. 79.3 rating. 49.4 QBR. 1 game winning drive. 1--4th quarter comeback.

Dak Prescott 13-3 record.
67.8% completion. 3667 yards passing. 23 TDs 4 INTs. 8.0 ypa. 229.2 ypg. 104.9 rating. 78.8 QBR.
5 game winning drives. 5--4th quarter comebacks.





So as you can see Dak hasnt had the best situation as a rookie QB and beats most every rookie QB in every stat. So the myth these doubters and haters keep spewing from their mouths about Dak is just that. It's false and a blatant lie. For all the Dak supporters y'all already knew this and are ahead of the others.

Every time I slam Prescott in the first second third quarter. Come the fourth quarter he makes me eat my words. Personally I don't need to compare them to anybody else I can see the greatness grow. isn't that what it's supposed to do. I have been on the bandwagon since his first preseason game against Seattle. From the first snap until the last snap everything in between is called football. I care mostly what you do when the game is on the line. Go Prescott go Cowboys

 

[CrownCowboy]

However, I will be the first to say that it wasn't Romo's fault. As with any QB, he is reliant on the talent and coaching around him.

So it wasn't that Romo showed us what he could do for 10 years then?

It was what everybody around him could do that stopped us from advancing further during his career?

Overall, I agree with you about Romo and the pieces he had around him. There were years where the defense was playing okay. A few others where the Oline was serviceable. With that said, it is my opinion that Tony Romo had the talent and heart to win a Super Bowl. It didn't happen for the reasons mentioned.

Of course he made plenty of mistakes but I contend that if he didn't make something happen then nothing would happen.

As this pertains to Prescott, I'm sure he has fallen victim to the same circumstances where others have failed him but not nearly as much or on the same level as what Romo experienced. Granted, he's only been here three years.

I pull for Dak and the Cowboys. I'd love nothing more than for him to be here for 10 years and lead us to the Super Bowl. I'm in the crowd that is not convinced he has the physical skills to do that as of now.

 

[CowboyRoy]

So it wasn't that Romo showed us what he could do for 10 years then?

It was what everybody around him could do that stopped us from advancing further during his career?

Overall, I agree with you about Romo and the pieces he had around him. There were years where the defense was playing okay. A few others where the Oline was serviceable. With that said, it is my opinion that Tony Romo had the talent and heart to win a Super Bowl. It didn't happen for the reasons mentioned.

Of course he made plenty of mistakes but I contend that if he didn't make something happen then nothing would happen.

As this pertains to Prescott, I'm sure he has fallen victim to the same circumstances where others have failed him but not nearly as much or on the same level as what Romo experienced. Granted, he's only been here three years.

I pull for Dak and the Cowboys. I'd love nothing more than for him to be here for 10 years and lead us to the Super Bowl. I'm in the crowd that is not convinced he has the physical skills to do that as of now.

For the most part, Romo had to do everything. He also had that gunslinger mentality and it hurt us at times. He also had the horrid Garrett as OC and HC most of the time. Then Jones not providing the proper team around him for us to ever be a true contender. When Romo had a nice run game at least and a decent D we had good seasons.

Dak is young so he has been more reliant on the team around him. He also has bad coaching as Romo did. If injuries hold up and Frederick returns to form I think the offense should humm like 2016. What will Moore bring?

 

[CowboyRoy]

So it wasn't that Romo showed us what he could do for 10 years then?

It was what everybody around him could do that stopped us from advancing further during his career?

Overall, I agree with you about Romo and the pieces he had around him. There were years where the defense was playing okay. A few others where the Oline was serviceable. With that said, it is my opinion that Tony Romo had the talent and heart to win a Super Bowl. It didn't happen for the reasons mentioned.

Of course he made plenty of mistakes but I contend that if he didn't make something happen then nothing would happen.

As this pertains to Prescott, I'm sure he has fallen victim to the same circumstances where others have failed him but not nearly as much or on the same level as what Romo experienced. Granted, he's only been here three years.

I pull for Dak and the Cowboys. I'd love nothing more than for him to be here for 10 years and lead us to the Super Bowl. I'm in the crowd that is not convinced he has the physical skills to do that as of now.

As a rookie and a good team around him he lead us to 13-3 and played great in the playoff loss. That should have given you a nice hint about Dak right there.

 

[erod]

Every time I slam Prescott in the first second third quarter. Come the fourth quarter he makes me eat my words. Personally I don't need to compare them to anybody else I can see the greatness grow. isn't that what it's supposed to do. I have been on the bandwagon since his first preseason game against Seattle. From the first snap until the last snap everything in between is called football. I care mostly what you do when the game is on the line. Go Prescott go Cowboys

Dak needs everything around him to be absolutely perfect for him to be reasonably decent.

It's a problem, no matter how you paint it.

An elite quarterback would go 15-1 here in their sleep.

 

[InTheZone]

Dak needs everything around him to be absolutely perfect for him to be reasonably decent.

It's a problem, no matter how you paint it.

An elite quarterback would go 15-1 here in their sleep.

We definitely have that potential, but some teams just stick with their QB no matter what while other coaches and players go. All they see are jersey sales so that's good enough for them.

 

[CrownCowboy]

For the most part, Romo had to do everything. He also had that gunslinger mentality and it hurt us at times. He also had the horrid Garrett as OC and HC most of the time. Then Jones not providing the proper team around him for us to ever be a true contender. When Romo had a nice run game at least and a decent D we had good seasons.

Dak is young so he has been more reliant on the team around him. He also has bad coaching as Romo did. If injuries hold up and Frederick returns to form I think the offense should humm like 2016. What will Moore bring?

Jason Garrett should be fired. But that is another discussion.

We all know what Romo had to put up with having Jason Garrett as his coach. I have no idea how Moore will help or hurt this offense. I am not particularly excited about him but what other choice do we have? As you can probably tell, I've pretty much had it with Garrett but I digress.

Injuries are always a concern and hopefully we stay healthy. 2016 was a good ways back in the NFL and I'd like to see if Dak can do what Romo did many times and that's carry the entire team on his back. He has shown flashes.

I know how you feel about Dak and I'll just say that I don't share your opinion. With that said I hope that you are right and I am wrong. I do like some of the things Dak brings and some of the things he has done while being in Dallas.

He'll get signed because the Front Office has made it a point to say they will. I just don't see the need for the Cowboys to give up the leverage they have currently considering the limitations this offense has had at times recently.

I hope the kid keeps improving and changes my mind.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Jason Garrett should be fired. But that is another discussion.

We all know what Romo had to put up with having Jason Garrett as his coach. I have no idea how Moore will help or hurt this offense. I am not particularly excited about him but what other choice do we have? As you can probably tell, I've pretty much had it with Garrett but I digress.

Injuries are always a concern and hopefully we stay healthy. 2016 was a good ways back in the NFL and I'd like to see if Dak can do what Romo did many times and that's carry the entire team on his back. He has shown flashes.

I know how you feel about Dak and I'll just say that I don't share your opinion. With that said I hope that you are right and I am wrong. I do like some of the things Dak brings and some of the things he has done while being in Dallas.

He'll get signed because the Front Office has made it a point to say they will. I just don't see the need for the Cowboys to give up the leverage they have currently considering the limitations this offense has had at times recently.

I hope the kid keeps improving and changes my mind.

Dak and Romo are completely different QB's. Complete opposites to be honest.

Romo was more of a pure passer and gunslinger. I dont see Dak ever getting to that level as a passer. Although he flashes that potential in clutch situations. But I dont think he needs to. His strengths are in other areas just as important.

Dak's strength is in leadership, clutch, managing the game, and dual threat.

 

[Whirlwin]

Dak needs everything around him to be absolutely perfect for him to be reasonably decent.

It's a problem, no matter how you paint it.

An elite quarterback would go 15-1 here in their sleep.

I totally disagree with you. He proved he can win without Elliott on the field . could he proved he could win without Dez on the field . When we had him . he proved he can win without Freddy or Jason Witten. So again I totally disagree . Did you see Drew Brees last season in the playoffs. Did you see Tom Brady how horrible he was against the Rams. Did you see Patrick Mahomes suck when he got pressured up the middle. Those are complete facts. Not speculation

 

[Whirlwin]

Dak and Romo are completely different QB's. Complete opposites to be honest.

Romo was more of a pure passer and gunslinger. I dont see Dak ever getting to that level as a passer. Although he flashes that potential in clutch situations. But I dont think he needs to. His strengths are in other areas just as important.

Dak's strength is in leadership, clutch, managing the game, and dual threat.

I think he's going to prove a lot of people wrong this season they're not going to wait until the 4th quarter to open up the game. He can totally take control of a franchise

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think he's going to prove a lot of people wrong this season they're not going to wait until the 4th quarter to open up the game. He can totally take control of a franchise

In his 4th year and with the Oline and weapons we should have he should begin taking over the offense. Hopefully Moore isn't a Garrett clone in that regard. Dak has been through 2 years of adversity. I think hes primed for a great season baring injuries to the line.

 

[CowboysBravesSpurs]

In this research i wanted to use facts to either prove the myth of Dak true or false. I will not be using the "eye" bias but instead lay out the facts. I used Pro Football reference for most of this research. Folks like to say Dak stepped into the greatest position for a rookie QB ( they say rookie because of the offense that QBs like Mahomes have but not as rookies cause they sat on the bench). I also didn't use guys like Brady because he only threw 3 passes as a rookie........only completed 1 of them so 33.3% competition haha.

First i will list these QBs that people have said are better than Dak with some of the best players on their team and than at the end give all their stats. These are rookie stats and teams only.


Peyton Manning QB
Had Marshall Faulk HB and Marvin Harrison WR, didn't have a terrible OL but wasn't great either.

Andy Dalton QB (Probowl as rookie)
Cedric Benson HB, A.J Green WR, Jermaine Gresham TE ( was a probowler that year and was pretty good at this time), also had a decent OL. Thats a really good situation for a rookie QB.

Matt Ryan QB
Michael Turner RB (All-pro that year), Roddy White WR (Probowl that year) and a pretty good OL although none made the probowl that year.

Andrew Luck QB (Probowl as a rookie)
Had Reggie Wayne WR and that's pretty much it.

Russell Wilson QB (Probowl as a rookie)
Marshawn Lynch RB (All-pro), Sidney Rice WR, Golden Tate WR, Doug Baldwin WR, Zach Miller TE and had a really good OL with 2 being probowlers and 1 All-pro. Safe to say Wilson had a much better team as a rookie QB, better coach and by far a better defense than Dak had as a rookie.

Cam Newton QB (Probowl as rookie)
Steve Smith WR, Greg Olson TE, Jeremy Shockey TE, DeAngelo Williams RB and a decent OL.

Ben Roethlisberger QB
Hines Ward WR, Marvel Smith OT, Alan Faneca LG (All-pro that year), Jeff Hartings C (All-pro that year) Jerome Bettis RB. Here is another case where it's pretty clear Ben had a much better team as a rookie QB. In fact this was most likely the best situation for any QB in league history. He also benefited from a great defense and Hall of Fame coaching. By the way his production decreased the next 2 years like some say about Dak but thats false as well.

Jameis Winston QB (Probowl as rookie)
Doug Martin RB (All-pro that year), Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson and a pretty good OL but only 1 going to the probowl that year.

Deshaun Watson QB
Lamar Miller RB, DeAndre Hopkins WR, Will Fuller WR and had an ok OL. Only played 6 games that year because he got injured but was tearing up the league in those first 6 games.....helps having the talent he had as well.

Baker Mayfield QB
Nick Chubb RB, Duke Johnson RB, Carlos Hyde RB, Jarvis Landry WR, David Njoku TE and a really good OL. I know it's the Browns but this is really good talent on offense for a rookie QB.

Dan Marino QB (Probowl as a rookie)
Mark Duper WR, Bob Kuechenberg LG, Dwight Stephenson C, Ed Newman RG and also had 2 great backs in Tony Nathan and FB Andra Franklin. This is a really good offense for a rookie QB. Thought it would be fun to use Marino because his rookie season is a top 10 season for rookies.

Dak Prescott QB (Probowl as rookie)
Ezekiel Elliott RB (leading rusher), Jason Witten TE, Dez Bryant WR and 3 all-pro OL. This is a good situation for a rookie QB but it's not the best. OL is the strength but Dez and Witten were on the decline.




Now let's look at these QBs stats and see how they shape up against each other.

Peyton Manning 3-13 record.
56.7% completion. 3739 yards passing. 26 TDs 28 INTs. 6.5 ypa. 233 ypg. 71.2 rating. 1 game winning drive and 1--4th quarter comeback.

Ben Roethlisberger 13-0 record.
66.4% completion. 2621 yards passing. 17 TDs 11 INTs. 8.9 ypa. 187 ypg. 98.1 rating. 5 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks

Russell Wilson 11-5 record.
64.1% completion. 3118 yards passing. 26 TDs 10 INTs. 7.9 ypa. 194 ypg. 100 rating. 72.7 QBR. 4 Game winning drives. 3--4th quarter cornerback.

Andrew Luck 11-5 record.
54.1% completion. 4374 yards passing. 23 TDs 18 INTs. 7.0 ypa. 273.4 ypg. 76.5 rating. 65.6 QBR. 7 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks.

Deshaun Watson 3-3 record.
61.8% completion. 1699 yards passing. 19 TDs 8 INTs. 8.3 ypa. 242.7 ypg. 103 rating. 83.6 QBR. 0 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks.

Matt Ryan 11-5 record.
61.1% completion. 3440 yards passing. 16 TDs 11 INTs. 7.9 ypa. 215 ypg. 87.7 rating. 68.5 QBR. 4 game winning drives. 2--4th quarter comebacks.

Jameis Winston 6-10 record.
58.3% completion. 4042 yards passing. 22 TDs 15 INTs. 7.6 ypa. 252.6 ypg. 84.2 rating. 61.1 QBR. 3 game winning drives. 2--4th quarter comebacks.

Cam Newton 6-10 record.
60% completion. 4051 yards passing. 21 TDs 17 INTs. 7.8 ypa. 253.2 ypg. 84.5 rating. 58.1 QBR. 1 game winning drive. 1--4th quarter comeback.

Andy Dalton 9-7 record
58.1% completion. 3398 yards passing. 20 TDs 13 INTs. 6.6 ypa. 212.4 ypg. 80.4 rating. 46.9 QBR. 4 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks.

Dan Marino 7-2 record.
58.4% completion. 2210 yards passing. 20 TDs 6 INTs. 7.5 ypa. 200.9 ypg. 96 rating. 2 game winning drives. 1--4th quarter comebacks.

Carson Wentz 7-9 record.
62.8% completion. 3782 yards passing. 16 TDs 14 INTs. 6.2 ypa. 236.4 ypg. 79.3 rating. 49.4 QBR. 1 game winning drive. 1--4th quarter comeback.

Dak Prescott 13-3 record.
67.8% completion. 3667 yards passing. 23 TDs 4 INTs. 8.0 ypa. 229.2 ypg. 104.9 rating. 78.8 QBR.
5 game winning drives. 5--4th quarter comebacks.





So as you can see Dak hasnt had the best situation as a rookie QB and beats most every rookie QB in every stat. So the myth these doubters and haters keep spewing from their mouths about Dak is just that. It's false and a blatant lie. For all the Dak supporters y'all already knew this and are ahead of the others.

This man is obsessed. Lmao

 

[eromeopolk]

I'm sold. Dak's totally better than Dan Marino and Peyton Manning.

Lets let Dak get to a NFC Championship game by year 4 like Aikman who had nothing as a rookie and went 1-15. The race is not given to the swift or strong but the one that can endure to the end.

I like Dak's future but lets get some years before we crown him...

 

[CowboyRoy]

Lets let Dak get to a NFC Championship game by year 4 like Aikman who had nothing as a rookie and went 1-15. The race is not given to the swift or strong but the one that can endure to the end.

I like Dak's future but lets get some years before we crown him...

Lets see Jones surround Dak with the team Aikman had. And lets see him get a real HC like Jimmy instead of the joke Garrett.

 

[eromeopolk]

Lets see Jones surround Dak with the team Aikman had. And lets see him get a real HC like Jimmy instead of the joke Garrett.

I would love to see that. But Dak will do what all Cowboy fans dread....save Jason Garrett's job. Romo saved Garrett's job before in 2014 and Dak is working on salvation 2019 after salvation 2016, and 2018.