Would Hill have gone 1st round if not for attitude?

[waldoputty]

I’m curious if anyone sees Hill as any better than Collins? (Aside from Collins being injured often)

pure numbers wise, hill is more explosive than collins as measured by vertical and broad jump. so he should get better penetration results. lets hope hill is not injured all the time like collins (knock)

 

[waldoputty]

As for scheme or not, players have to win battles. Ross and Reed were not getting it done. Better S play might have gotten it done, but I know of no scheme that compensates for DT that are easy combos and getting washed.

What I am concerned about is who is going to play the 1. Most of the press coming out has Hill pegged at the 3. I hope Covington and Woods can get it done. DT still feels thin to me.

i think they will see whether he is better at the 3 or 1.
like u, i kind of like someone with hill's 1st step lined up at the a gap exploding in the gap as quickly as he can.
also would like some shifting around by the dl so give some uncertainty to what they are doing.

 

[waldoputty]

It was a scheme failure plain and simple. Rams Guard Austin Blythe flat out said they knew which way the Cowboys defensive line was stunting "90% of the time" and it showed up on tape.

"Rams right guard Austin Blythe told The Ringer that it worked “plus-90 percent” of the time, crediting the inside information with helping Los Angeles run for 273 yards on 48 carries.

If Maliek Collins shaded closer to the tackle, the Rams expected a stunt. If Collins lined up wider, the Rams looked to see which hand a certain Cowboys lineman had on the ground. The Rams said it gave them a good idea what was coming.

“We had a pretty good tell when they were going to do that,” Blythe told The Ringer."




Rams O-lineman were easily washing D-lineman out of plays, using their aggressiveness against them while easily getting to the second level against the linebackers.

Even before Woods got injured we were getting gashed on the ground. Antwaun Woods tore his labrum on the first play of the Rams third drive. (11:20 mark in the 2nd quarter).

The Rams already had gotten 127 yards on the first two drives with a healthy Woods. 85 of those yards came on the ground on 15 carries in a little over one quarter.

i have not dragged myself to watch that game.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Had he been happy and played first team snaps, I believe he would have been yes. However because of the falling out with coaches there is little way to know.
Stats wise and athletically he is better than Daron Payne who went first round and had a good year with Washington.

 

[Hardline]

He most likely slips into the 3rd round if not for the Cowboys reaching for him.

 

[Falco78]

i believe he performed better than top dt picks (top 10 draft slots) on a per snap basis.

I agree, I think we got a steal

 

[Future]

Actually there is. That's the very basis on what determines the round the player is taken. First rounders are never taken on traits. you get your trait players in undrafted free agency. I can't believe I have to explain this.

Nick Bosa? Rashan Gary? DK Metcalf?

Teams all draft traits. The difference between a first and third-round pick, more often than not, is production matching those traits.

 

[Future]

Hill didn't go in the first round because of how deep this draft class is on the DL, that's it. Does anyone think he's a worse prospect than Taven Bryan?

 

[Hardline]

Nick Bosa? Rashan Gary? DK Metcalf?

Teams all draft traits. The difference between a first and third-round pick, more often than not, is production matching those traits.

You said the key word .... Production

 

[Future]

You said the key word .... Production

Right, none of those 3 I mentioned had any lol

 

[speedkilz88]

He most likely slips into the 3rd round if not for the Cowboys reaching for him.

Possible, the 3rd round was only 7 picks away. Zach Allen, Dre'mont Jones, Chase Winovich, Khalen Saunders, Jaylon Ferguson were drafted in the 3rd (but gone by 90) and they would have still been solid DL picks at 58 as well.

 

[kskboys]

Nick Bosa? Rashan Gary? DK Metcalf?

Teams all draft traits. The difference between a first and third-round pick, more often than not, is production matching those traits.

It's really not. The difference is, more than not, key traits such as lateral agility and burst. Small football school vs big football school. Motor and instincts. And in today's world, off field issues. Our own Jordan Lewis slid due to height and off field issues.

College production is a very small part of the analyzation process.

 

[kskboys]

You said the key word .... Production

You could prove yourself way wrong w/ this idea w/ a very simple analyzation.

 

[eromeopolk]

Hill had a hurt ankle his senior year at Stanford and lasted until the 3rd round for the Cowboys. It was another John Wooten draft scout pick up. James Lofton was drafted in the first round from the Stanford team in 1978.

Hill had set every Stanford receiving record and would have been a 1st round pick if not for the ankle injury.

https://newspaperarchive.com/st-louis-sporting-news-nov-04-1978-p-9/

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

He just liked my post about him on IG so I’m happy with the guy haha

 

[perrykemp]

If someone hasn't posted this already, he is what NFL scouts told Bob McGinn about Hill:

(11th Ranked DT) TRYSTEN HILL, Central Florida (6-2 ½, 306, 5.03, 2-3): Started 26 games in 2016-’17 under coach Scott Frost but only one last year under new coach Josh Heupel. “You tell me a good player is a backup at UCF?” said one scout. “That’s all you need to know. He gets in and they just knock him around. He’s not very good.” Declared a year early, then tested extremely well. “The new staff didn’t like him,” a second scout said. “It all had to do with social media and he didn’t get along with the new coaches. Has maturity issues. His mother was in prison for a year. This guy’s on the edge.” Finished with 71 tackles (20 for loss) and six sacks. Made a lot of pre-draft visits as teams try to get a read on his character. Wonderlic of 23. “Kind of a barrel-looking guy,” a third scout said. “More athletic and twitchy than you’d expect looking at him. A lot of what he does is based on effort and athleticism. He kind of strays away from being a sound, fundamental player.” Arms were 33 3/8, hands were 10 ¼. From Lee, Fla.

 

[kskboys]

pure numbers wise, hill is more explosive than collins as measured by vertical and broad jump. so he should get better penetration results. lets hope hill is not injured all the time like collins (knock)

That's it in a nutshell. Hill is explosive w/ a freaky fast 1st step. That's why he was rated as high as he was.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

If someone hasn't posted this already, he is what NFL scouts told Bob McGinn about Hill:

(11th Ranked DT) TRYSTEN HILL, Central Florida (6-2 ½, 306, 5.03, 2-3): Started 26 games in 2016-’17 under coach Scott Frost but only one last year under new coach Josh Heupel. “You tell me a good player is a backup at UCF?” said one scout. “That’s all you need to know. He gets in and they just knock him around. He’s not very good.” Declared a year early, then tested extremely well. “The new staff didn’t like him,” a second scout said. “It all had to do with social media and he didn’t get along with the new coaches. Has maturity issues. His mother was in prison for a year. This guy’s on the edge.” Finished with 71 tackles (20 for loss) and six sacks. Made a lot of pre-draft visits as teams try to get a read on his character. Wonderlic of 23. “Kind of a barrel-looking guy,” a third scout said. “More athletic and twitchy than you’d expect looking at him. A lot of what he does is based on effort and athleticism. He kind of strays away from being a sound, fundamental player.” Arms were 33 3/8, hands were 10 ¼. From Lee, Fla.

Nice. So you have one scout dismissing him because he didn’t start at UCF since ‘that’s all you need to know’ and another scout that seems to link his maturity issues to his mother being in jail for a year.

Imagine being the teams that are relying on these clowns to advise them on personnel decisions. LOL.

 

[kskboys]

Nice. So you have one scout dismissing him because he didn’t start at UCF since ‘that’s all you need to know’ and another scout that seems to link his maturity issues to his mother being in jail for a year.

Imagine being the teams that are relying on these clowns to advise them on personnel decisions. LOL.

And those are the reasons a player w/ his potential was even available w/ a late 2nd.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I honestly don't have an opinion either way, but this is a very simplistic argument. plenty of first round talents slip out of the first round every year.

just this year Byron Murphy, Jawan Taylor, Greedy etc etc.

I agree, players slip but bottom line here, if you go in the first, then you are a first round pick. If you don't, then you aren't. I mean, it really doesn't get any more simple then that.