QB Salary

[Longboysfan]

As the Cowboys get ready to pay Dak I’ve been thinking. Looking at QB salaries is it possible to build a SB winner with your QB eating 15 plus percent of your cap. When Russel Wilson was on his Rookie deal the Seahawks had one of the most talented teams around should of won two rings. Besides Brady who gives his team a huge discount what veteran QBs are putting championships in the trophy case. Rogers is supposed to be the best in the game where have the Packers been lately and how long ago was that SB. Brees also one of the greats when was his SB he is lucky right now they have hit on a high percentage of picks. I think Peyton was the last big money QB to win a SB and that was cause that D but when it came time to pay the D the Broncos dropped off. I know QB is the most important position on the field but if you can’t afford to put talent around him is he worth it. Only way I see you winning with a vet is if you get lucky and hit on a high percentage of your picks. Once Dak is paid can the Cowboys afford the two LBs, BJ, EE, Cooper and to keep the O-line together? You start shipping them off you have to replace them in the draft and that’s easier said than done. I think owners have gotten carried away and can’t control themselves when it comes to QBs. Kinda reminds me of why the owners wanted a cap have to wonder if we might see a max salary coming in the next CBA to control the spending on QBs. In the current CBA are you better build a great D a strong O-line paying them and steadily drafting QBs so you always have the next man up and are never paying 15 plus percent of the cap to your QB?

If you do have a QB doing that then you get one or two runs at a SB.

Patriots proved that with Brady - taking a little less to get to pay other players. You get more chances. That and drafting well.

Look at the Saints. One run then down. Now with lesser paid players back to try again.

This is the cycle you get into with QB's that take all the CAP.

Look at Green Bay, Seattle now.......

 

[Sydla]

In 3 years, $30m won't be an "elite" contract. There are a bunch of QBs who will get new contracts in that time - Mahomes, Goff, Wentz, Watson, Newton, Luck, Trubisky - and they're all going to get more than that. Plus, there's last year's draft class down the line and who knows what kind of contracts some of the older QBs, like Rivers and Roethlisberger will get on short-term deals.

In 2022, $30m might be, what, the 12th-highest per year contract? That's the bet the Cowboys are making.

This logic simply makes zero sense. Because if it works then apply it to all players.

I mean why not get out ahead of Robert Quinn now and sign him to a huge DE contract because hey, in a few years, it might be only the 10th highest paid DE contract and a real bargain?

Again, note, I am not opposed to paying Dak Prescott a big contract. I just don't believe they should do it right now until they see how he plays and handles a team that Jerry has clearly said is a SB caliber roster. Which Dak you getting in 2019? The awesome one from 2016? The really mediocre one from 2017 or the just good one from 2018?

 

[Hennessy_King]

Maybe but they have made like 10 AFC Champ games over their run so it's not like they are facing slop in the playoffs too.

But if you are in the playoffs 16 times in 18 years. Your odds are pretty good at getting a couple wins to find yourself in those games.

 

[blueblood70]

man this is getting old we have like 50 active Dak type threads and discussions on salary's and yet new one pop up daily..

 

[Hennessy_King]

This logic simply makes zero sense. Because if it works then apply it to all players.

I mean why not get out ahead of Robert Quinn now and sign him to a huge DE contract because hey, in a few years, it might be only the 10th highest paid DE contract and a real bargain?

cuz hes old and not a pro bowl player. we did that with ty craw and look how that worked out lol

 

[Sydla]

But if you are in the playoffs 16 times in 18 years. Your odds are pretty good at getting a couple wins to find yourself in those games.

Sure, maybe a few here or there over the years. But in the last 18 years, they have made FOURTEEN AFC Champ games (including the last 8 in a row). They have made the SB 9 times over 18 seasons.

So trying to write off the Patriots as a product of a weak division is pretty preposterous when you see that over the last 18 seasons, the Patriots have been in the champ game nearly 80% of the time.

 

[Sydla]

cuz hes old and not a pro bowl player. we did that with ty craw and look how that worked out lol

When we did it with Crawford he was young just like Dak.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Sure, maybe a few here or there over the years. But in the last 18 years, they have made FOURTEEN AFC Champ games (including the last 8 in a row). They have made the SB 9 times over 18 seasons.

So trying to write off the Patriots as a product of a weak division is pretty preposterous.

besides the patriots or peyton manning's team what other team has even been half decent?

 

[Hennessy_King]

When we did it with Crawford he was young just like Dak.

yeh and he was a nobody. Jerry projected what he would do in the future and he was wrong.

 

[Sydla]

besides the patriots or peyton manning's team what other team has even been half decent?

I just can't.

A team made 14 AFC Champ games, made 9 Super Bowls and won 6 of them in 18 years and you want to write it off to a weak division and apparently a weak conference.

This is where Patriots hate enters deranged territory.

 

[Sydla]

yeh and he was a nobody. Jerry projected what he would do in the future and he was wrong.

You are kind of proving my point. At this point, the Cowboys are projecting what Dak will be in the future and talking about making him a Top 3-4 paid QB in football. How confident are you that they have it right?

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

So it boils down to IMO:

You (the NFL QB) either want to be a rich ex-NFL QB or a slightly less rich ex-NFL QB that has a / several SB victories for the record (and thus a gold jacket). No guarantees on the SB or gold jacket but there are increased odds.

 

[OmerV]

If you're going to pay your QB the type of money that makes him 15% of your cap, he needs to be someone that makes everyone around him better... Dak isn't that guy.

I see your point, although I would say the jury is still out on Dak. But I believe this point oversimplifies the situation. A team also has to consider the alternatives. Dak isn't an Aaron Rodgers/Tom Brady/Drew Brees level player, but neither is he a Cooper Rush/Tyrod Taylor/Blake Bortles/Andy Dalton level player. If Dak is allowed to leave, the odds are much higher the Cowboys will be left with someone the level of the second group rather than the first group.

 

[Sydla]

I see your point, although I would say the jury is still out on Dak. But I believe this point oversimplifies the situation. A team also has to consider the alternatives. Dak may not be an Aaron Rodgers/Tom Brady/Drew Brees level player, but neither is a Cooper Rush/Tyrod Taylor/Blake Bortles/Andy Dalton level player. If Dak is allowed to leave, the odds are much higher the Cowboys will be left with someone the level of the second group rather than the first group.

And because the jury is still out, there should be no rush from this franchise to lock him into a huge contract right now.

 

[Future]

This logic simply makes zero sense. Because if it works then apply it to all players.

I mean why not get out ahead of Robert Quinn now and sign him to a huge DE contract because hey, in a few years, it might be only the 10th highest paid DE contract and a real bargain?

Again, note, I am not opposed to paying Dak Prescott a big contract. I just don't believe they should do it right now until they see how he plays and handles a team that Jerry has clearly said is a SB caliber roster. Which Dak you getting in 2019? The awesome one from 2016? The really mediocre one from 2017 or the just good one from 2018?

Lots of teams do that. It's exactly what they did with Tyron Smith, and it's what they didn't do with Demarcus Lawrence.

Robert Quinn is about to be 29 years old...

Even if he's the 2018 version forever, the number is going to go up over $30m anyways. They're betting that in 2022, even if he doesn't improve, it's a slightly above-average contract. If he does improve, you're looking at a top-10 QB with the 12th (or whatever) contract. It's unlikely that Dak busts completely.

 

[OmerV]

And because the jury is still out, there should be no rush from this franchise to lock him into a huge contract right now.

The jury is still out in my mind, but an NFL team isn't bound by the mind of a fan. If the Cowboys believe the jury is in and the verdict is positive, all they can do is act accordingly.

 

[Hennessy_King]

You are kind of proving my point. At this point, the Cowboys are projecting what Dak will be in the future and talking about making him a Top 3-4 paid QB in football. How confident are you that they have it right?

Because he has made 2 pro bowls and in our playoff losses has been the best player on the field. Just go look at his stats at his efficiency. We aren't a passing team don't expect him to throw for 5k yards. He makes good decisions with the football and helps the team win.

 

[Hennessy_King]

I just can't.

A team made 14 AFC Champ games, made 9 Super Bowls and won 6 of them in 18 years and you want to write it off to a weak division and apparently a weak conference.

This is where Patriots hate enters deranged territory.

Ugh yeh. Now granted I think Belichek is the greatest coach in nfl history.

 

[OmerV]

You are kind of proving my point. At this point, the Cowboys are projecting what Dak will be in the future and talking about making him a Top 3-4 paid QB in football. How confident are you that they have it right?

The thing is that the intent isn't to treat him as a top 3-4 QB, it's to pay him at a level the market dictates today. Salaries are not a ranking, they are just a reflection of the market at the particular time a player signs his contract. If all QBs were negotiating contracts in today's market, Dak would not end up in the top 3-4.

 

[Nightman]

People really overstate Brady's "team discount." Except for his 6th round rookie years, he got similar money to Peyton Manning in (what was assumed to be) his prime years mid-career. He's only been "discounted" when he's also been old as hell for an NFL QB, past the age 99% of QBs are long since retired, and I think that has a certain discount from the max salary built into it. It's really not the same situation as a QB under 30 going for their first post-rookie contract.

Yeah, Dak's not a living legend, but he's also not closer to AARP membership than his rookie season, either.

That is not accurate at all..... Brady averaged 14-15m for 12 years.... that is a steal

Only the last 2 years has he had a salary over 20m.... he should have been over well 20m for 10 years at least