QB Salary

[Swagger]

He will never be an elite QB, it just isn't going to happen. Elite is Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers - Prescott lacks the quality in his arm to throw like those guys do and those no shame in that because wow only a few can!

I completely agree with this..........................but.............so what? When was the last time Rogers won a SB? Heck he didnt even make the playoffs this year. Didnt even have a winning season.

You need to start thinking about the QB as just another player on the team. Dak is good enough..........move on. Now lets worry about the rest of the team.

-Finish off the defense
-get a safety
-scheme

ect......ect.....

Its not like Dak is going to be facing Mahones and they each have the exact same team. Thats why coaching is so important in this league. It gives you the advantage if you dont have it in personnel.

But that's exactly my point - Rodgers is paid top dollar, although it will actually look ok over the next few seasons, yet hasn't smelt a Superbowl since his rookie contract.

So if an elite QB like him is unable to even reach the Championship rounds then (ok I also regarded Mike McCarthy as a HORRIFIC Head Coach and you can question their drafts) surely the percentage call is to continually go down the rookie QB route.

We don't need to follow the sheep and pay solid QBs outside of rookie contracts like elite QBs as when did that last win a Superbowl?

 

[Swagger]

I think the front office has generally done a fantastic job over the past five years, including drafting Prescott in the fourth round (although that seems to have been more luck than judgement).

But in my view all that good work will be halted once Prescott gets paid what is likely to be circa. $30 million a year. And no I'm a Dak hater - I don't even know the guy!

 

[CowboyRoy]

It's funny because you don't realize you are actually helping prove my point.

If Dak went into the tank because the team around him wasn't perfect and ideal like it was in 2016, does that scream to you upper echelon QB that you should pay $150MM or more to?

And no, we don't know if Dak was actually a better QB in 2018 than 2016. Statistically, he was not. The offense overall was much better in 2016. The overall team won 13 games that year in 2016, only 10 in 2018. Both teams spit the bit in the divisional round.

Hence why I think it makes sense to wait another year. Dak has not matched his rookie year performance the last two years.

And when did the season go in the toilet? LOL

We won the NFC East, made the playoffs and won a playoff game. You call that going into the toilet?

In fact, Dak played balls out in the 2nd half of the year and rallied the entire team.

With the talent that we had and the coaching we had, Dak actually maximized the season. Thats not going in the toilet and thats not average either.

Then when you factor in that the kid was only in his 3rd season it becomes an amazing accomplishment.

Dont need another year.........its obvious.

And anyone with any type of abilities to predict would be able to see quite clearly that the offense, barring a major injury is going to take off this year. Cowboys are gearing up for a good year.

You pay the guy before he breaks out, not after. Price goes up.

 

[CowboyRoy]

But that's exactly my point - Rodgers is paid top dollar, although it will actually look ok over the next few seasons, yet hasn't smelt a QB since his rookie contract.

So if an elite QB like him is unable to even reach the Championship rounds then (ok I also regarded Mike McCarthy as a HORRIFIC Head Coach and you can question their drafts) surely the percentage call is to continually go down the rookie QB route.

We don't need to follow the sheep and pay solid QBs outside of rookie contracts like elite QBs as when did that last win a Superbowl?

The point is that the team surrounding the QB is more important than the QB.

Its true that given an even playing field, Rogers would beat out Dak most of the time. But thats not reality.

Rogers, like any other QB, needs quality around him. QB is an important part of the team, but its not more important than the team.

Best players dont win every year. Best team does.

The fact that we only had to use a 4th round pick to get Dak has allowed us to utilize other assets to surround Dak with a better team then otherwise would be possible. There are other advantages.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

. Besides Brady who gives his team a huge discount what veteran QBs are putting championships in the trophy case. Rogers is supposed to be the best in the game where have the Packers been lately and how long ago was that SB. Brees also one of the greats when was his SB he is lucky right now they have hit on a high percentage of picks. I think Peyton was the last big money QB to win a SB and that was cause that D but when it came time to pay the D the Broncos dropped off. I know QB is the most important position on the field but if you can’t afford to put talent around him is he worth it

The FACT is that the Pats have been in 5 of the last 10 SBs. In that time span, only the Seahawks have been there more than once. Yes coaching matters but I don't think it's a coincidence that Brady has taken less money than he could have demanded so that the Pats can pay other players.

Now is the "your quarterback takes less money than he could have demanded" the only way to win SBs? No, but there's no doubt Bradys don't grow on trees, trying to find that gem is very difficult, just makes sense to me to try and build an overall good team, or a super defense, or a great running game, than putting all your eggs in the "our quarterback can win when the rest of the team isn't that great" basket....

 

[Swagger]

The point is that the team surrounding the QB is more important than the QB.

Its true that given an even playing field, Rogers would beat out Dak most of the time. But thats not reality.

Rogers, like any other QB, needs quality around him. QB is an important part of the team, but its not more important than the team.

Best players dont win every year. Best team does.

The fact that we only had to use a 4th round pick to get Dak has allowed us to utilize other assets to surround Dak with a better team then otherwise would be possible. There are other advantages.

I agree with everything you state.

Can we sustain and even improve upon the roster once we pay Prescott around $30 million a year?

 

[CowboyRoy]

I agree with everything you state.

Can we sustain and even improve upon the roster once we pay Prescott around $30 million a year?

We seem to be doing it and the FO seems to have prepared great for all these signings coming up. The big question for me is the coaching. We seem hopelessly at a disadvantage with Garrett as HC and his predictable schemes.

Because Dak is NOT Mahones, because Garrett is always the worst coach on the field, my feeling is that we will need a top 5 defense to actually win it all. I think the rest of the offense is good enough at this point as long as the Oline says healthy.

For me, the question becomes...........can we get the defense there?

 

[dckid]

I see your point, although I would say the jury is still out on Dak. But I believe this point oversimplifies the situation. A team also has to consider the alternatives. Dak isn't an Aaron Rodgers/Tom Brady/Drew Brees level player, but neither is he a Cooper Rush/Tyrod Taylor/Blake Bortles/Andy Dalton level player. If Dak is allowed to leave, the odds are much higher the Cowboys will be left with someone the level of the second group rather than the first group.

I disagree with your thinking. That is why Cousins got paid. He is not worth what he is making.
To make a basketball equivalent, that is why the Rockets paid Chris Paul, we all know that contract is horrific starting next year.
Do not just pay someone just because. If Dak is not an Elite QB, which he is not, do not pay him 30 million plus.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I disagree with your thinking. That is why Cousins got paid. He is not worth what he is making.
To make a basketball equivalent, that is why the Rockets paid Chris Paul, we all know that contract is horrific starting next year.
Do not just pay someone just because. If Dak is not an Elite QB, which he is not, do not pay him 30 million plus.

Ill take Dak over Cousins all day long. 30 million dollars a year isnt elite QB money pal. Thats just the going rate for a franshise QB in 2019. And its not like these things make sense anyway.

Rogers got 35, Wilson got 35, thats why Dak isnt getting 35. And 2 or 3 years from now hell be like the 10th highest paid QB. Right where he should be.

 

[Pape]

OTC with a little Cut and Paste adjustments

Each player has a History tab that shows some old contracts and cash paid

better source for brady contract information than otc ... http://patscap.com/brady.html#brady

 

[panchucko]

I don’t care which QB gets paid, even though Dak isn’t my favorite, he is still the Cowboys QB so I live with it, i personally think the QB salaries are getting out of control. Kind of like the Rookie Contracts a few years ago. Somewhere along the line they are going to have to cap the QB salary.

 

[OmerV]

I disagree with your thinking. That is why Cousins got paid. He is not worth what he is making.
To make a basketball equivalent, that is why the Rockets paid Chris Paul, we all know that contract is horrific starting next year.
Do not just pay someone just because. If Dak is not an Elite QB, which he is not, do not pay him 30 million plus.

My thinking isn't that they pay Dak "just because". That wasn't what I was saying at all. The market isn't at the level being talked about with Dak simply because he is a QB - the market wouldn't be the same for Bortles or Tannehill or Taylor for example.

Cousins didn't get paid "just because" either. He got paid because the Vikings thought he was a high quality QB saddled with a bad team, and that he would have an impact on their team. The fact that the team didn't do well after signing Cousins is hindsight knowledge.

The fact is, in today's market, $30 million is not the price tag for elite QB's. If the truly elite QBs were negotiating in today's market they would be getting $35-40 million. If the Cowboys only want to pay $15-20 million they are going to have to look at low end QBs.

And, ask yourself this - who is the option for the Cowboys if they refuse to pay something near market value for Dak.

 

[DFWJC]

Two facts

1. Yes, it's VERY tough to win it all with a QB making 15-20% of the cap
2. It's looking like Dak is going to get paid 20-25% of the cap

 

[Cattle_Rancher]

man this is getting old we have like 50 active Dak type threads and discussions on salary's and yet new one pop up daily..

This not really about Dak it is more about can you win rings with a high priced QB and how to do it.

 

[blueblood70]

This not really about Dak it is more about can you win rings with a high priced QB and how to do it.

it is if we are debating Daks salary and we all know we are, veiled or not lol

 

[Cattle_Rancher]

That's the catch 22. Pay the QB and you can't field a championship team. But without him you don't have a championship team. Emmitt Smith aside, someone on these boards came up with a really good idea to address this. If a team resigns a player they drafted they get a discount on the cap. You can still pay them market value, but the entire contract won't be a cap hit. Just the portion left over after the discount. Players can still go to highest bidder. This does not give teams an unfair advantage. All it does is put more emphasis on the draft. If you draft well you'll do better. The idea is actually brilliant.

League won’t do that cause if I understand you correctly you are giving the players a larger cut of the pie.

 

[Cattle_Rancher]

it is if we are debating Daks salary and we all know we are, veiled or not lol

I am not some people have taken it there but I am getting a lot of the conversation I was seeking

 

[blueblood70]

I am not some people have taken it there but I am getting a lot of the conversation I was seeking

right

 

[DFWJC]

I don't get the extremes regarding Dak

• I think there might be some (maybe 2%) that would rather Dallas not win it all if Dak is QB. Seems crazy, but I think there are a few.

• Equally crazy. I think there are some that are ok if Dallas never wins a Super Bowl, as long as Dak is QB and makes top dollar.

Strange times

 

[dckid]

My thinking isn't that they pay Dak "just because". That wasn't what I was saying at all. The market isn't at the level being talked about with Dak simply because he is a QB - the market wouldn't be the same for Bortles or Tannehill or Taylor for example.

Cousins didn't get paid "just because" either. He got paid because the Vikings thought he was a high quality QB saddled with a bad team, and that he would have an impact on their team. The fact that the team didn't do well after signing Cousins is hindsight knowledge.

The fact is, in today's market, $30 million is not the price tag for elite QB's. If the truly elite QBs were negotiating in today's market they would be getting $35-40 million. If the Cowboys only want to pay $15-20 million they are going to have to look at low end QBs.

And, ask yourself this - who is the option for the Cowboys if they refuse to pay something near market value for Dak.

Please see the average salary of the top paid QB's
To me the anomalies are Kirk Cousins, Jimmy G,
To a lesser degree Stafford, Carr, Alex Smith, Flacco. I think Foles is being paid a fair salary based on his skill set and performance. I am 100% ok paying Dak a salary equivalent to Alex Smith. It would not be an insult for him to agree to that contract.

Wilson 35
Big Ben 34
Rodgers 33.5
Ryan 30
Kirk 28
Jimmy 27.5
Stafford 27
Carr 25
Brees 25
Luck 25
Alex S 23.5
Flacco 22
Foles 22