Going all in for 2019

[QuincyCarterEra]

It's not a personal attack.

In many posts I seriously don't know when people really can't understand a basic concept or if they're intentionally ignoring the obvious meaning of a post or statement.

You are now using Strawman arguments (Making up things I didn't say).

Well I'll just clear it up for you since you don't know so much.

Your simple concept was wrong and it needed to be pointed out. I thought it was a simple concept to understand that those moves were not all in the name of going "All In", but it wasn't a simple concept for you so I let you know.

I'm making up things you didnt say? Point them out.

 

[Bullflop]

Going "all in" just isn't Dallas' thing, at least, for this year and who knows about the foreseeable future?

It's probably and very likely a predictable outcome that the players mentioned aren't on their "to do" list.

 

[buybuydandavis]

DE - Lawrence, Charlton
3T - McCoy, Hill
1T - Woods, Collins
DE - Quinn, Armstrong

I don't see any Crawford there. I think he's probably our base RDE, but assuming he's not, swapping out Crawford for McCoy gives us more pass rush juice at DT.

McCoy *replacing* Crawford might be a move that makes us better and doesn't cost us net cap.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I don't expect him to be great. But, if healthy, I expect him to be better than what we have. For the right price, take a flier on him. And the longer he sits out, the cheaper he gets if has a desire to play in 2019.

So I'll take the risk on him under a fairly reasonable contract.

Berry has upside for both play and comp pick churn. He's got Jerry written all over him.

 

[buybuydandavis]

The last thing the Cowboys need is an All-In mindset.

Having said the above, I'm curious how much it would take to sign Gerald McCoy.

Why would we go "all in" when we're signing the key pieces for years to come?

McCoy is an interesting one as a replacement for Crawford. One thing to keep in mind with our fantasy shopping - we actually don't have a lot of players we want to dump on the dline.

Heads up, he's a better 3T than Crawford, and might come cheaper. There are comp pick considerations, but swapping out Crawford for McCoy leaves us better at 3T.

If they think they have RDE handled without Crawford, we're better overall.

 

[gimmesix]

- Sign McCoy

- Sign Berry

- Trade a 4th for Kyle Rudolph

If we picked up McCoy, I'd rather see us use Tyrone Crawford or Maliek Collins in a trade than giving away a fourth-rounder. We'd have too many DL to keep, so even seeing what Taco might bring us would be favorable to trading a draft pick IMO. Safety would be my priority in a trade simply because I think making this defense as good as it possibly can be is our best path to the Super Bowl. Obviously, if we can get a better quality TE than what we've got, we should consider it, but I'm not all that certain Rudolph (6-4-634(9.9)-4 in 2018) is much of a step up from Witten (63-516 (8.9)-5 in 2017).

 

[CowboyRoy]

None of these moves are needed for a Superbowl run.

The difference maker will be Kellen Moore.

NO chance we are winning any SB with Heath and Woods at safety and Garrett as HC. Only way is if Garrett is left up in the stands on game day.

 

[cowboy_ron]

None of these moves are needed for a Superbowl run.

The difference maker will be Kellen Moore.

More Moore and less Garrett......The less involvement Garrett has in the decision making the better chance we have.

 

[Fletch]

There is a saying among us nine to five-ers at Exxon Mobil about the brass of leadership.

"Those idiots up top are not going to do that, because it makes too much sense."

I guess things don't change from industry to the next. The people making the decision just don't get it.

McCoy at 31 is OTH. Berry is an injury away from becoming a paraplegic. Why? Sexy, big names, that their teams no longer want to pay?

So yaaaay, makes all the sense in the world to bring them here. Lol.

Aged talent. Mentors. Depth. Aaaaand cap space.

No thanks.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

McCoy at 31 is OTH. Berry is an injury away from becoming a paraplegic. Why? Sexy, big names, that their teams no longer want to pay?

So yaaaay, makes all the sense in the world to bring them here. Lol.

Aged talent. Mentors. Depth. Aaaaand cap space.

No thanks.

If the Cowboys wanted to go all in, this would've been the year to do it. No necessarily with those players. It could've been Earl Thomas and Suh for instance. But this was definitely the year to do that.

 

[Stash]

Berry has upside for both play and comp pick churn. He's got Jerry written all over him.

Berry wants to get paid. That's obvious. He wants a team to have to assume the risk of whether he's healthy or not. And that's why he continues to be unemployed.

And unless his attitude changes, he's more likely to retire than to play.

 

[Rayman70]

CLICK BAIT . Reason I say that, don't we read that same post or mantra each year? lol... Its funny..we been going all in for 15 years with no results. You can certainly tell its May.

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

There is a saying among us nine to five-ers at Exxon Mobil about the brass of leadership.

"Those idiots up top are not going to do that, because it makes too much sense."

I guess things don't change from industry to the next. The people making the decision just don't get it.

Exxon Mobil about to spend $10 billion locally. Helping Texas be rich!

 

[Corso]

Exxon Mobil about to spend $10 billion locally. Helping Texas be rich!

My nephew is a welding supervisor for their rigs on the Gulf. He's a good man. I hope he gets a nibble of what they're doing.

 

[xwalker]

Why would we go "all in" when we're signing the key pieces for years to come?

McCoy is an interesting one as a replacement for Crawford. One thing to keep in mind with our fantasy shopping - we actually don't have a lot of players we want to dump on the dline.

Heads up, he's a better 3T than Crawford, and might come cheaper. There are comp pick considerations, but swapping out Crawford for McCoy leaves us better at 3T.

If they think they have RDE handled without Crawford, we're better overall.

If McCoy is cheaper than Crawford, then it's NOT an All-In move.

Free Agents signed after May 8 don't count against the comp pick formula.

They would have to keep Crawford for both 2019 and 2020 to have a chance to get a comp pick from him.

Obviously everyone would agree that McCoy is a better DT than Crawford.

If McCoy would sign for 1-year, 7M and they cut Crawford, then there would be zero cost to add McCoy.

At this point, Crawford is more likely to play DE than DT with or without McCoy on the team.

 

[OmerV]

CLICK BAIT . Reason I say that, don't we read that same post or mantra each year? lol... Its funny..we been going all in for 15 years with no results. You can certainly tell its May.

The concept of going "all in" is really just a fan thing. NFL teams (not just the Cowboys) rarely, if ever, throw the future out the window and sacrifice everything to win in one season. it's really a foolhardy notion anyway because it can actually lower the odds of a team winning a championship because it is banking on one shot and one shot only rather than giving a team a chance year after year. A sustained high level of excellence is really the goal.

 

[TheSkaven]

Except nothing I posted we should do would be overly expensive or potentially risk the future. In other words, trading a 4th rounder for Rudolph isn't quite the same as trading two first rounders for Galloway. Signing McCoy to what could be a one year deal isn't the same as spending $50MM on Brandon Carr.

Nothing I proposed is really all that risky.

He speaks the truth. In fact, most of these guys are on one-year deals. The Cowboys could choose not to re-up any of them if they don’t perform well.

 

[Corso]

He speaks the truth. In fact, most of these guys are on one-year deals. The Cowboys could choose not to re-up any of them if they don’t perform well.

I can agree with this, but since the CBA allowed cap space roll-over - the Cowboys have been playing that shell game to the hilt and now is when they need to navigate those waters like true pros.

 

[Nightman]

That mindset was a key to Jerry's failures over the years. It resulted in:

• Two 1st rounders for Joey Galloway
• 1st/3rd/7th for Roy Williams
• 50M contract for OG Leonard Davis
• 50M contract for Brandon Carr
• Signing TO (possible cause of Parcells departure)
• Trading up for Claiborne.
• Franchising Anthony Spencer Twice.
• Jerry over-ruling Stephen to give Dez a mega-contract in 2015. Dez never got close to his previous production in the 3 years after the new contract.

I wouldn't call any of those moves bad except for Galloway but only because he got hurt

The trade for RW11 was OK , the extension was horrible but TO needed some help

Davis was fair market and so was Carr

TO was a great move on the field

Can't whine about Claiborne without giving credit for DLaw

ASpencer got hurt.... it happens

Dez deserved every penny.... he went 88/1300/10 for 3 straight years and is still our All time WR TD leader

It is never wrong going for it..... you don't get Wins for extra Cap Space or being conservative

 

[Fire407]

The concept of going "all in" is really just a fan thing. NFL teams (not just the Cowboys) rarely, if ever, throw the future out the window and sacrifice everything to win in one season. it's really a foolhardy notion anyway because it can actually lower the odds of a team winning a championship because it is banking on one shot and one shot only rather than giving a team a chance year after year. A sustained high level of excellence is really the goal.

You are right. Everyone said last year that the Rams were going all in, and yet they are still set up well for the next few seasons.