Things we should be learning from Pats

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Yeah, we try to copy them, but we try to copy their 2 TE sets and obsession w/ CB's. Here's some of the things that really make them successful.

1. Continuously draft OL and DL.
2. Make sure to have replacements in place for players who will want a huge salary.
3. Do the opposite of what most of the NFL is doing. This allows you to find useful players all over the draft. Belly's 3-4 wasn't everywhere, so he was getting players who fit his system all over the draft. When the NFL switched to the 3-4, Belly went back to the 4-3, so he's still finding useful players all over the draft. He was doing that 2 TE set, so when everyone started switching, he's now going for WR's and is using a pass catching RB profusely.
4. Even if they don't play more than half the time, make sure to have a huge dude for the middle, to put a stop to O's like the Rams. Stop that run up the middle, and it's going to be a bit more difficult.
5. Always have a good stout OL in place. Always.
6. Don't overpay players. It kills you pretty quick.

Anything I missed? I know, I know, it helps tremendously to have a top 5 all time HC and QB, I get that. And that's a huge part of why they win. However, there are other things that can be done.
Spin off of 2 and 6, don't fall in love with any player, ANY PLAYER, for the long term. If not for his willingness to take the salary Belichick wanted to pay, the GOAT would be playing elsewhere.
 

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You forgot:

Have the other 3 teams in your division stuck in a constant rebuild cycle led by ever-changing new management each more clueless than the last
One of the reasons for that is that NE is in the division. They're constantly trying to figure out how to beat him and the only thing they've come up with is change coaches often.
 

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What makes the Patriots better than most. Just do your job is more than a cliche. Know when to release a player for most value before the player even knows he's going
 

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You forgot:

Have the other 3 teams in your division stuck in a constant rebuild cycle led by ever-changing new management each more clueless than the last
Yes but come playoffs. You still have to show up. Just because they had a weak division means nothing
 

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Anything I missed?

Maybe it was covered on one of your bullet points, but i would add Adaptability. Changing offensive/defensive philosophies on a week-in, week out basis - not getting stuck in the same base offense or same base defense. The game plans that the Patriots use are really based on "who we are playing this week". You touched on that a little bit, with the comment on doing what the league isn't doing. But the Pats can really change things up week in week out. Just figured that needed to be emphasized a bit more.
 

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OK, there are four things that the Cowboys cannot duplicate, in fact, no team can because they don't have him or his owner smart enough to let him lead the way and they all follow.

One, he does what most think is impossible, especially in the age of limited practice, he changes from week to week based on the opposition and specializes in getting players that can do that. If you want to see detail coaching, just look up what is required of his players on the walk throughs the night before games. He spends an inordinate amount of time on being prepared and the details extend to every player as he assumes he will have to use backups.

Two, he can read film better than anyone in the game and knows more about his opponents strengths and weaknesses than they know about themselves and he always takes at least one thing away from them. He took Witten away from Romo and no one saw that coming and it took a half to adjust to it and then he changed again.

Three, he knows which players fit what he wants to do better than any coach and he's not really good at drafting but when he picks up a FA, they make a difference. Even if he only intends to keep them for a short period of time. He knew Brandin Cooks was a one year fix and had already planned on what he was going to do. He doesn't misuse players often.

And Four, the most difficult of all, he sees the present and future equally well and is probably already thinking what he's going to do in Feb 2020 with his team. Now, he has the advantage of being the most influential and powerful coach with his owner in the league so that helps a lot.

I am not a fan of the man and he irritates me with his press conference act but one game showed me that he was the best in game coach I've ever seen and he watches the game like the mad scientist he is. His team has, uncharacteristically, fallen behind by 25 to ATL and as I looked on the sideline at him, his coaching staff and players, I couldn't tell they didn't have the lead. The confidence factor was off the rails and everybody was doing what he likes them to do, their jobs. He knew the Falcons were running out of gas and helped them along because he knew his QB could bring them back against a tired team and that's exactly what he did. He stole their momentum, step one, and by the time they realized that, it was too late.

McVay was right, he did get outcoached in the SB, just like Reid did the two weeks prior in a totally different style of game. Belichick is the only coach I've seen since Walsh that put the opposition on notice, you are behind before the kicker touches that ball. He is simply the hardest coach to game plan against, on either side of the ball, in the history of the game.
 

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Off topic, but I was listening to a podcast regarding man and zone coverages and is passrush more important than coverage.
The guy brought up an intresting point... The greatest football mind, his highest FA defensive expenditures have been the Top CB's of that year.
The guy also said, he thinks Billicheck drafted a rb in round 1 this year just to screw with the other teams. Patriots in no way needed to draft a rb with a 1st rounder.
 

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7. Have one of the greatest QB's of all time playing on a relatively low salary so you can still sign other talent to fill out your roster.
8. CHEAT.
:muttley::laugh::lmao::lmao2::facepalm:

7. Thirty-one other NFL teams had 5-6 chances to draft Tom Brady before the Pats took him.

8. Yes, the Pats got caught filming other teams during the preseason (since then, several ex-NFL coaches have admitted it was a common practice at the time). NE was fined $500,000 and lost a first-round draft pick...and yet it didn’t slow them down.

Later, during a 45-7 beatdown of the Colts, one of Brady’s footballs was found to be under-inflated by less than 1psi (like that was the difference in the game, smh). Tom then served season-opening 4-game suspension and yet the Pats still went 3-1, while using both their second & third-string QBs.

The REAL reason for the Pats success is their owner was smart enough to hire the best PROFESSIONAL football mind available (Bill Belichick) and then stay the F’ out of his way.

What’s ironic is, Jerry Jones started out with the same approach when he hired Jimmy Johnson.

The difference is, Bob Kraft was/is willing to stay out of the football side of things — other than to polish his SIX Lombardi Trophies — while Jerry has operated the Cowboys as his personal ego-stroke ever since he ran Jimmy off.
 
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Dak Prescott throws the football better than Tom Brady did that first championship run. But aye........let's pretend like he was always the best quarterback in the league lol.

Just so you're not confused, this is not a "say the opposite " thread
 

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DraftIng the GOAT with 199th pick is by far the biggest lesson from the Patriots. Belichick has a losing record without him.
 

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Yeah, we try to copy them, but we try to copy their 2 TE sets and obsession w/ CB's. Here's some of the things that really make them successful.

1. Continuously draft OL and DL.
2. Make sure to have replacements in place for players who will want a huge salary.
3. Do the opposite of what most of the NFL is doing. This allows you to find useful players all over the draft. Belly's 3-4 wasn't everywhere, so he was getting players who fit his system all over the draft. When the NFL switched to the 3-4, Belly went back to the 4-3, so he's still finding useful players all over the draft. He was doing that 2 TE set, so when everyone started switching, he's now going for WR's and is using a pass catching RB profusely.
4. Even if they don't play more than half the time, make sure to have a huge dude for the middle, to put a stop to O's like the Rams. Stop that run up the middle, and it's going to be a bit more difficult.
5. Always have a good stout OL in place. Always.
6. Don't overpay players. It kills you pretty quick.

Anything I missed? I know, I know, it helps tremendously to have a top 5 all time HC and QB, I get that. And that's a huge part of why they win. However, there are other things that can be done.

The big difference between how the Pats defense defended the Rams run game as compared to the Cowboys vs Rams was more scheme than players.
 

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DraftIng the GOAT with 199th pick is by far the biggest lesson from the Patriots. Belichick has a losing record without him.
Would Brady be the GOAT without Belichick (with the owner’s blessing and lack of interference) building a sustainable team around him; a team whose fluid composition has allowed Brady to age gracefully as a QB?
 

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Yeah, we try to copy them, but we try to copy their 2 TE sets and obsession w/ CB's. Here's some of the things that really make them successful.

1. Continuously draft OL and DL.
2. Make sure to have replacements in place for players who will want a huge salary.
3. Do the opposite of what most of the NFL is doing. This allows you to find useful players all over the draft. Belly's 3-4 wasn't everywhere, so he was getting players who fit his system all over the draft. When the NFL switched to the 3-4, Belly went back to the 4-3, so he's still finding useful players all over the draft. He was doing that 2 TE set, so when everyone started switching, he's now going for WR's and is using a pass catching RB profusely.
4. Even if they don't play more than half the time, make sure to have a huge dude for the middle, to put a stop to O's like the Rams. Stop that run up the middle, and it's going to be a bit more difficult.
5. Always have a good stout OL in place. Always.
6. Don't overpay players. It kills you pretty quick.

Anything I missed? I know, I know, it helps tremendously to have a top 5 all time HC and QB, I get that. And that's a huge part of why they win. However, there are other things that can be done.

I think the Patriots are better mentally prepared than most teams. It's not that they're that much more talented than other teams. It seems they are less likely to make mental mistakes. No team plays a perfect game. But the Patriots seem to be able to take advantage of their opponents' mistakes more often than the their opponents are able to take advantage of the Patriots' mistakes. If Dee Ford doesn't line up offsides in the AFCCG, the Chiefs are playing in the SB.

The Patriots seem to more situationally aware than most teams.
 

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Trevor Lawrence 2021. Have a real true pocket passing franchise QB. Have a big and physical front seven, to stop the run. Load up on DB's. Easy peasy.

NFL history as shown that real pocket passing QB's can win multiple Superbowls.
 
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