Dak-Deniers/Fact Haters, What Will Dak Have to Do for You to Eat Crow?

[Risen Star]

I think some of you would rather be "right" than have the Cowboys win. Y'all need to grow up.

This is rich.

Grown men who act like babies because you just don't like their QB think you have to grow up.

Ahuh.

Prescott is a bum. A fraud. And soon to be the most over paid player in the history of the NFL.

Go Cowboys.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Most of the people with the extreme and unwarranted criticism of Dak just plain do not like Dak. I think most will not concretely answer what it will take for Dak be a viable qb option in their eyes because they just don't like Dak. If they say what they'd like to see Dak do and he does it the reasons for disliking him go away but their dislike does not.

It seems people forget flip flopping from game to game with weeden and cassell not being able to convert a 1st down let alone win a game. There's more disdain for Dak then there was for those two, ryan leaf, and most of the other bozos that came through here combined. Why?

Hilarious. How do REAL Cowboy fans NOT like Dak? 4th round pick and the kid has come out in his first 3 years with one heck of a resume. Most consistent this team has been since Aikman.

The ONLY way you hate Dak is if your an Eagles or Commanders fan.

 

[mattjames2010]

Hilarious. How do REAL Cowboy fans NOT like Dak? 4th round pick and the kid has come out in his first 3 years with one heck of a resume. Most consistent this team has been since Aikman.

The ONLY way you hate Dak is if your an Eagles or Commanders fan.

That "4th round pick" has shown to be a middling QB who wants elite QB money.

That "4th round pick" doesn't mean jack crap anymore.

 

[CowboyRoy]

There were never legitimate comparisons. Never. There were reaches.

Now, after 3 seasons, you see those comparisons as being incredibly silly. Us "Dak haters" pointed out his footwork problems, trouble fitting the ball into tight windows, inaccurate deep ball, etc. All of this was there his rookie year - having 15 minutes behind the line covers a lot of flaws.

And we will see this year, Dak has been struggling with his footwork since college - you think he's finally just going to get it during his fourth year in the pros?

So what is a more ridiculous statement?

1. A young QB will never get better at things he needs to work on

2. A young QB like Dak will continue to get better at things he needs work on

Which one sounds dumb and which one sounds like common sense?

 

[CowboyRoy]

That "4th round pick" has shown to be a middling QB who wants elite QB money.

That "4th round pick" doesn't mean jack crap anymore.

LOL......such an angry little troll.

Daks resume in his first 3 years makes your first statement laughable.

The 4th round pick thing is important because it makes it all that much better. All we had to spend to get our franchise stud was a middling 4th round pick. Its not he is Wentz and we gave up the farm for him. Hence Cowboy fans should be more in love with the kid.

REAL Cowboy fans that is.

 

[Scotman]

Dude, again

Dak Prescott - 526 pass attempts
Ezekiel Elliott - 304 rushing attempts

This is more pass heavy than we were in the 90s

Smith ALONE had nearly 400 carries, this isn't even factoring in backup RBs or Johnson who would get 40 carries a year LOL

Just to be clear, you're starting that our current offensive scheme is pass-oriented? And our play calls favor the passing game about 526 to 304 running plays?

Aikman didn't start every game. Emmitt wasn't the only runner. Dak has taken virtually every snap, but Zeke didn't get every carry.

You're clearly biased and looking for evidence that your assumptions are accurate. And when challenged you resort to being condescending to feel validated. Pull team numbers so we can actually discuss scheme. I don't have to be right.

I'm hopeful. You're not. I'd wait to pay him without a discount. It sounds as if you'd start over with another QB. I'm trying to talk to you like an adult. You're talking to me as if I'm a child.

 

[CowboyRoy]

This is rich.

Grown men who act like babies because you just don't like their QB think you have to grow up.

Ahuh.

Prescott is a bum. A fraud. And soon to be the most over paid player in the history of the NFL.

Go Cowboys.

So how do you think your Eagles are going to do this year?

 

[mattjames2010]

Just to be clear, you're starting that our current offensive scheme is pass-oriented? And our play calls favor the passing game about 526 to 304 running plays?

Aikman didn't start every game. Emmitt wasn't the only runner. Dak has taken virtually every snap, but Zeke didn't get every carry.

You're clearly biased and looking for evidence that your assumptions are accurate. And when challenged you resort to being condescending to feel validated. Pull team numbers so we can actually discuss scheme. I don't have to be right.

I'm hopeful. You're not. I'd wait to pay him without a discount. It sounds as if you'd start over with another QB. I'm trying to talk to you like an adult. You're talking to me as if I'm a child.

I think last year, we would be considered balanced, but Dak still had a good amount of passing attempts. We were not "balanced" in the 90s, we were a running team with an RB that would run the ball nearly 400 times with other RBs dividing out - one year, an RB behind Smith had something like 60-70 carries, Johnson had around 40.

With Zeke, you'll have him rushing 300-320 times with about 30-40 more carries coming from the backup and that's about it. The 90s was a run first, run heavy offense. Zeke is simply an overworked RB on the field for both running, catching, and blocking.

And I just showed you the numbers.

 

[mattjames2010]

So what is a more ridiculous statement?

1. A young QB will never get better at things he needs to work on

2. A young QB like Dak will continue to get better at things he needs work on

Which one sounds dumb and which one sounds like common sense?

A QB in his 4th year who has had the same footwork problems since probably high school, most likely will not get it figured out 4 years into pro football. That is more likely to be true.

 

[mattjames2010]

LOL......such an angry little troll.

Daks resume in his first 3 years makes your first statement laughable.

The 4th round pick thing is important because it makes it all that much better. All we had to spend to get our franchise stud was a middling 4th round pick. Its not he is Wentz and we gave up the farm for him. Hence Cowboy fans should be more in love with the kid.

REAL Cowboy fans that is.

You already brought of Dak's "2 probowls" - which you ended up leaving out that Dak was not just a replacement, but third in line and got into the pro-bowl due to a starter injury....

You then went on to say he's a "winner" - what has he won? Regular season games and a wildcard game. There have been QBs who have had more success in this league for a lot long who aren't considered "winners" for winning playoff games. Mark freakin' Sanchez got further than Dak in his first two seasons, what was Mark Sanchez?

 

[Seven]

Well you interpreted wrong. And there’s nothing gained from posters who do nothing but come here and whine about everything the Cowboys do. We’re all frustrated with the lack of championship runs in the last 20+ years. But to crap on everything the team does is not the answer. So I appreciate your input, but please try and understand my point of view. I only make responses like I did to the habitual complainers. Notice the ^^ in my post.

Didn't you know Matt James invented football........?

 

[Garrettop]

There were never legitimate comparisons. Never. There were reaches.

Low round pick played earlier than expected due to established QB injury, plays far above draft expectations. The last half of 2017 and first half of 2018 doesn't undo 2016. Has he had periods when he would get happy feet under pressure? Yeah. So do a lot of other QBs, even those considered amazing on this board. From this past season:

https://www.clnsmedia.com/patriots-gameplan-packers-aaron-rodgers/

In fact, Rodgers’ 56.3 passer rating while under pressure ranks 20th out of 28 qualified quarterbacks this season.

 

[mattjames2010]

Didn't you know Matt James invented football........?

Old man still big mad for getting blown out in a discussion months ago. Go cut your grass, come back inside and turn on some cable news and think about how us young guys are making you irrelevant.

 

[mattjames2010]

Low round pick played earlier than expected due to established QB injury, plays far above draft expectations. The last half of 2017 and first half of 2018 doesn't undo 2016. Has he had periods when he would get happy feet under pressure? Yeah. So do a lot of other QBs, even those considered amazing on this board. From this past season:

https://www.clnsmedia.com/patriots-gameplan-packers-aaron-rodgers/

Dak Prescott was a projected third round pick that dropped due to an off the field concern. This is not comparable to Brady who had an awful combine, was an on and off starter in college, and nearly went undrafted. There is more comparisons to Brady with Romo than there is to Dak Prescott (Romo isn't worthy of it either)

 

[Scotman]

I think last year, we would be considered balanced, but Dak still had a good amount of passing attempts. We were not "balanced" in the 90s, we were a running team with an RB that would run the ball nearly 400 times with other RBs dividing out - one year, an RB behind Smith had something like 60-70 carries, Johnson had around 40.

With Zeke, you'll have him rushing 300-320 times with about 30-40 more carries coming from the backup and that's about it. The 90s was a run first, run heavy offense. Zeke is simply an overworked RB on the field for both running, catching, and blocking.

And I just showed you the numbers.

We were far more balanced in the 90's that you're able to see. My overall numbers are pretty accurate.

Not only are my overall numbers reasonably accurate, the running stats are padded because we played with a lead more often than not. 4th quarter was all Smith pounding them into the ground and running out the clock.

Seriously, instead of just jumping on me, look up the passing plays versus running plays for the period I gave you.

A MUCH better argument on your part would be that Aikman, in that scheme, was FAR more effective than Dak has ever been in quarters 1-3. When teams stacked the box, Aikman made them.pay often enough that they had to pick their poison. Dak hasn't scared teams away from stacking the box. Just a few more completions to Gallop would go a long way to changing that narrative.

I don't know why anything I've said struck you the wrong way.

 

[HoplessCowboysFan36]

There were never legitimate comparisons. Never. There were reaches.

Now, after 3 seasons, you see those comparisons as being incredibly silly. Us "Dak haters" pointed out his footwork problems, trouble fitting the ball into tight windows, inaccurate deep ball, etc. All of this was there his rookie year - having 15 minutes behind the line covers a lot of flaws.

And we will see this year, Dak has been struggling with his footwork since college - you think he's finally just going to get it during his fourth year in the pros?

I think Dak has the intangibles to keep getting better. All I hear about him is that he works his tail off to get better every day.

 

[Scotman]

I think last year, we would be considered balanced, but Dak still had a good amount of passing attempts. We were not "balanced" in the 90s, we were a running team with an RB that would run the ball nearly 400 times with other RBs dividing out - one year, an RB behind Smith had something like 60-70 carries, Johnson had around 40.

With Zeke, you'll have him rushing 300-320 times with about 30-40 more carries coming from the backup and that's about it. The 90s was a run first, run heavy offense. Zeke is simply an overworked RB on the field for both running, catching, and blocking.

And I just showed you the numbers.

1992-19952016Running Play Percentage50.451.6Yards Per Run4.14.8Net Yards Per Pass7.07.7Completion Percentage65.566.8


Sorry...I legitimately don't know how to link an article. I've found examples that quantify the play calling for our superbowl teams. That was supposed to be a link to a Forbes article.

 

[CouchCoach]

I think Dak has the intangibles to keep getting better. All I hear about him is that he works his tail off to get better every day.

Just curious, did you leave the e out in your moniker or are you actually earthbound?

 

[mattjames2010]

We were far more balanced in the 90's that you're able to see. My overall numbers are pretty accurate.

Not only are my overall numbers reasonably accurate, the running stats are padded because we played with a lead more often than not. 4th quarter was all Smith pounding them into the ground and running out the clock.

Seriously, instead of just jumping on me, look up the passing plays versus running plays for the period I gave you.

A MUCH better argument on your part would be that Aikman, in that scheme, was FAR more effective than Dak has ever been in quarters 1-3. When teams stacked the box, Aikman made them.pay often enough that they had to pick their poison. Dak hasn't scared teams away from stacking the box. Just a few more completions to Gallop would go a long way to changing that narrative.

I don't know why anything I've said struck you the wrong way.

This isn't adding up for you, Dak Prescott had 200+ more passing attempts to Zeke's rushing attempts, even when you factor in other RB attempts, that's still 100+

When you factor in ALL touches for RBs on those 90 teams, Aikman had around 400 to a little over 400 passing attempts those seasons which Smith HIMSELF almost totaled a couple times. It was a run first, run heavy offense.

 

[mattjames2010]

I think Dak has the intangibles to keep getting better. All I hear about him is that he works his tail off to get better every day.

This is said about most QBs. It's a job. It's a career. Most want to succeed.

You rarely see QBs having lifelong habits die in the NFL.