Dak-Deniers/Fact Haters, What Will Dak Have to Do for You to Eat Crow?

[dogunwo]

I'd say this is obvious, but most believe in Romo, and he never even got to a Conference Championship game.

 

[Darthkuriboh]

I'd say this is obvious, but most believe in Romo, and he never even got to a Conference Championship game.

imagine what he could have done with Zeke and this defense tho

 

[dogunwo]

imagine what he could have done with Zeke and this defense tho

I love Romo, but its a myth that he never had enough talent to win. We were loaded in 2007, 2009, and 2014 and couldn't get it done.

 

[StarBoyz83]

I love Romo, but its a myth that he never had enough talent to win. We were loaded in 2007, 2009, and 2014 and couldn't get it done.

The defense on 14 was trash like almost every year Romo played.

 

[Diehardblues]

I'd say this is obvious, but most believe in Romo, and he never even got to a Conference Championship game.

I was often a critic of Romo as well but it’s easier to believe in a QB who consistently is top 10 in offense.

I think most of Daks critics including myself were more believing of his passing skills in his Rookie season when again, we had a top 10 offense.

 

[Diehardblues]

I love Romo, but its a myth that he never had enough talent to win. We were loaded in 2007, 2009, and 2014 and couldn't get it done.

I’d agree 2007 and 2014 we had a championship caliber offense. Not so much defensively especially in 2014.

I’d liked to have seen what we could have done with a consistent product for several years like with the Tripletts in 2014. Shame they never took the field together again.

And Prescott is surrounded with some pretty talented teams in 2016 and 2018 with arguably a much better defense last year with no better results than Romo.

I really don’t see this offense as championship caliber and the defense will need to be much better to carry it in playoffs.

 

[CouchCoach]

What’s interesting is that in your defense of paying Dak you are talking about things like how the team would feel and how we could find a worse QB in a few years.

Those things should NEVER factor in whether or not you should pay your QB elite money.

And the Washington-Cousins situation is not the same as here. There were other issues at play there.

Yes, there were, either, or both, his GM or HC were not sold on him and that does not seem to be the case in Dallas.

What is it posters don't get? They are not going to pay him elite money, they are going to pay what they have to in order to keep him. Do we think they would be talking about what they're considering after the season ended? This has jumped almost 10M in just that amount of time and every team with a QB in his 1st contract is concerned where this is headed and not just the Chiefs. This has gone from 25M is crazy money to 34M might be the number.

And consider the everyday Cowboys fan, not the ones that come here and dissect everything like we're making money at it. The man has won the East 2 of the last 3 seasons and every time he scores, he points to the sky and even casual fans know who he's signaling. He's given himself up on several occasions to make the play, he doesn't throw a lot of interceptions and most of all, he's well spoken and even when asked a controversial question such as the anthem issue, handled himself very well. He is one of the best QB leaders in the game and has been since he took over.

I don't think we realize the spot the Joneses are in with a very popular player. What if they were to let him walk and get another and he flames out? What did they have and let go? The fact is Dak Prescott has made it extremely hard for them not to re-sign him.

The one thing we can hope for is that this is going to level the playing field and all the teams will be paying exorbitant process for QBs as that's the price to play.

Sydla, I am not nearly as concerned about what they give the QB, as I see that as the coming norm, as I am what they give the RB and who has to walk because of that? They can stand one top 5 salary but this team is approaching top 5's at DE, already there, WR and RB. I see a 30M+ QB as a necessity, a 15M RB? No way.

 

[dogunwo]

The defense on 14 was trash like almost every year Romo played.

You mean the same defense in 2014 that was 15th overall? The same defense that was 10th in the league in percentage of offensive drives that resulted in a score? How about the same defense that was 1st in the league in drives that resulted in a turnover, or even 2nd in the league in total turnovers. That same "trash" defense? LOL.

Source: Pro Football Reference

Was that defense elite? Probably not. They were good enough to win. No team has elite offense and defense throughout the entire starting QB's career. Fact is, we did not capitalize the years both sides of the ball were good enough to win.

 

[StarBoyz83]

You mean the same defense in 2014 that was 15th overall? The same defense that was 10th in the league in percentage of offensive drives that resulted in a score? How about the same defense that was 1st in the league in drives that resulted in a turnover, or even 2nd in the league in total turnovers. That same "trash" defense? LOL.
Source: Pro Football Reference

Was that defense elite? Probably not. They were good enough to win. No team has elite offense and defense throughout the entire starting QB's career. Fact is, we did not capitalize the years both sides of the ball were good enough to win.

All his defenses were average to bottom of the league. Never really had a legit oline or rb either. Besides murray. They all were average to below average. 2007 they were loaded other than that nah.

 

[cern]

we got lucky and drafted a very good qb with our 2nd pick in the 4th round. he has overperformed his contract. do we factor his minimal salary while contemplating his new salary. possibly. we are in the same position as every other team in the nfl when a qb in his first contract performs well and a new deal is on the horizon. what people don't really understand is the actual parameters of the deals. most see the wentz deal as 32 million a year. but it is an extension that factors in the remaining two years on his deal which makes it really 25million and change a year. dak will be in that area.

 

[dogunwo]

All his defenses were average to bottom of the league. Never really had a legit oline or rb either. Besides murray. They all were average to below average. 2007 they were loaded other than that nah.

So the numbers referenced suggest that the defense was middle to bottom of the league?

 

[StarBoyz83]

So the numbers referenced suggest that the defense was middle to bottom of the league?

They were average. 2007 was the year and they blew it. Never saw this team going anywhere besides that year.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yes, there were, either, or both, his GM or HC were not sold on him and that does not seem to be the case in Dallas.

What is it posters don't get? They are not going to pay him elite money, they are going to pay what they have to in order to keep him. Do we think they would be talking about what they're considering after the season ended? This has jumped almost 10M in just that amount of time and every team with a QB in his 1st contract is concerned where this is headed and not just the Chiefs. This has gone from 25M is crazy money to 34M might be the number.

And consider the everyday Cowboys fan, not the ones that come here and dissect everything like we're making money at it. The man has won the East 2 of the last 3 seasons and every time he scores, he points to the sky and even casual fans know who he's signaling. He's given himself up on several occasions to make the play, he doesn't throw a lot of interceptions and most of all, he's well spoken and even when asked a controversial question such as the anthem issue, handled himself very well. He is one of the best QB leaders in the game and has been since he took over.

I don't think we realize the spot the Joneses are in with a very popular player. What if they were to let him walk and get another and he flames out? What did they have and let go? The fact is Dak Prescott has made it extremely hard for them not to re-sign him.

The one thing we can hope for is that this is going to level the playing field and all the teams will be paying exorbitant process for QBs as that's the price to play.

Sydla, I am not nearly as concerned about what they give the QB, as I see that as the coming norm, as I am what they give the RB and who has to walk because of that? They can stand one top 5 salary but this team is approaching top 5's at DE, already there, WR and RB. I see a 30M+ QB as a necessity, a 15M RB? No way.

Usually a 15 million RB doesn’t work unless if you have a 30 million QB dependent on it.

And this is the bigger question. If we don’t have this RB and WR would we still want this QB if we’d missed playoffs last two years?

We’ve seen what our QB is without them. That should be how we’re going to pay him if we don’t have intentions of keeping that surrounding talent unless we think we can replace them in draft. Something we have no confidence we can do at QB.

I’m all for resigning Dak. Just paying him closer to his talent level not the team success he’s had as a result more of the supporting cast.

 

[G2]

 

[Diehardblues]

They were average. 2007 was the year and they blew it. Never saw this team going anywhere besides that year.

I’d agree they blew it. Not placing themselves in that position again though speaks more volumes of a poor organization.

Hard to judge the talent as harshly for one opportunity blown. Even some of the greatest teams don’t win or play for a championship their first time out. And shame on our organization for not better building on that core of talent.

 

[Darthkuriboh]

I love Romo, but its a myth that he never had enough talent to win. We were loaded in 2007, 2009, and 2014 and couldn't get it done.

not even close to like this

 

[Diehardblues]

we got lucky and drafted a very good qb with our 2nd pick in the 4th round. he has overperformed his contract. do we factor his minimal salary while contemplating his new salary. possibly. we are in the same position as every other team in the nfl when a qb in his first contract performs well and a new deal is on the horizon. what people don't really understand is the actual parameters of the deals. most see the wentz deal as 32 million a year. but it is an extension that factors in the remaining two years on his deal which makes it really 25million and change a year. dak will be in that area.

No, we don’t over compensate for hitting big on 4th round pick. Dak has benefited handsomely from many more endorsements than normal 4th round picks.

If Dak is in the 22-25 million range we might be ok assuming we can retain the Elite talent around him.

 

[cern]

No, we don’t over compensate for hitting big on 4th round pick. Dak has benefited handsomely from many more endorsements than normal 4th round picks.

If Dak is in the 22-25 million range we might be ok assuming we can retain the Elite talent around him.

dak gets his endorsements because of his good play, no other reason. not sure what your over compensating sentence means. dak will be paid in proportion to his performance. nothing more, nothing less.

 

[xwalker]

Can you link to where any of this was said?

This has been referenced on CZ by other posters in the past.

He references getting Dak to change from what was called in the video below.

I reviewed the play he references on the All-22.
Dak looks left then goes deep to Cooper on the right.
If Dak was going to throw to Cooper on original stop route, Dak wouldn't look left first.
Cooper has done many interviews where he goes into much more detail.
There are local media interviews like the post game with Brad and Babe.
I DVR those during the season but don't save them forever.
There a dozens of pages on the Cowboys website with links to their videos.

You'll have to scroll through about a dozen just to get back to this years draft.
The ones from during the season are probably there if you go back far enough.​

 

[CouchCoach]

Usually a 15 million RB doesn’t work unless if you have a 30 million QB dependent on it.

And this is the bigger question. If we don’t have this RB and WR would we still want this QB if we’d missed playoffs last two years?

We’ve seen what our QB is without them. That should be how we’re going to pay him if we don’t have intentions of keeping that surrounding talent unless we think we can replace them in draft. Something we have no confidence we can do at QB.

I’m all for resigning Dak. Just paying him closer to his talent level not the team success he’s had as a result more of the supporting cast.

The thinking that the QB has to have that RB is where this goes hazy. Would he be as good a QB with another good RB1? It's not about needing Elliott, it's about needing a good RB.

He will be paid what it costs to retain a QB1 and was Aikman as effective without Irvin or Novacek? He even suffered without Stepnowski.

This whole "level of talent in the supporting cast" has to be better for Prescott isn't just him. Starr, Bradshaw, Montana, Elway, Staubach and Aikman all needed a strong supporting cast. This illusion of a QB "carrying the team" is all it is. E Manning and Flacco are up on Brees and Rodgers in rings, 2-1 each.

On one hand posters defend Romo for the lack of supporting cast and then spear Prescott for having it.

I have said this and will stick by it, with the right kind of team, Prescott can get it done, warts, dirt throws and all......with the right team around him. If Brady hadn't had the right team around him, he might be Marino.