Is Zeke a top 3 running back?

cern

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So based on your comment, total yards is what determines the best running back? BTW, he wasn’t drafted number one.
He didn't say Zeke was drafted #1. He said he's out gained everyone since he was drafted, ergo in his opinion zeke's number1. I concur. Sometimes we get so wrapped up in ourselves we start arguing before even understanding what we're arguing.
 

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Not me.

Barkley was durable last year. The only reason I myself would say EZ might be more durable is because w/ his build, he might be the most durable RB in the NFL.

Hey, you just thought that how a guy gets up after being tackled has something to do w/ durability!!!!!!
So a RB who had less fumbles, a better ypc, a worse O line and more total yards is less durable than Zeke? Wow! That’s impressive! I thought the Twilight Zone was all fantasy.
 

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He didn't say Zeke was drafted #1. He said he's out gained everyone since he was drafted, ergo in his opinion zeke's number1. I concur. Sometimes we get so wrapped up in ourselves we start arguing before even understanding what we're arguing.
You’ve said Zeke is the best. I think he’s 2’nd or 3rd. So how do you ignore the difference in O lines? What about the fumbles? What about the ypc?
 

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here is the issue summed up for me.

Emmitt in his first three years posted 4200 some odd yards. Zeke has just about 46 yards over 4000. Emmitt played in four extra games. Their stats are almost identical except carries. Emmitt carried the ball a lot more year 2 and 3.

I don't give a rat's wrinkle about other players in the league now. This is the best there ever was and Zeke is keeping up.

There is not a better running back in the NFL at this moment than Zeke.

And if the team works out this passing game with Dak to exploit a defense deep, Zeke will go off the chain this next season behind this line.

I apologize for this, but threads such as this one are pointless when the facts are sitting behind Dak pancaking defenders for the QB and running great routes, and moving the chains.

And for people ready to jettison Zeke because he is in a position you can get anywhere.

Try real hard not to continue hitting your head on things.
 

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You’ve said Zeke is the best. I think he’s 2’nd or 3rd. So how do you ignore the difference in O lines? What about the fumbles? What about the ypc?
This is an opinion poll, not a fact poll. Ask 100 "experts " and they won't all agree.
 

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This is an opinion poll, not a fact poll. Ask 100 "experts " and they won't all agree.
Great, thanks for clarifying. That doesn’t explain why people with the opinion that Zeke is the best refuse to address and/or acknowledge certain FACTS (ie most fumbles, better O line, less ypc average than Barkley, or most touches hence the most yards).
 

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Great, thanks for clarifying. That doesn’t explain why people with the opinion that Zeke is the best refuse to address and/or acknowledge certain FACTS (ie most fumbles, better O line, less ypc average than Barkley, or most touches hence the most yards).

That's what was said about Barry/Emmitt, oh ES had the better OL, well they should have told the Cats to do a better job drafting. That's not ES fault.
 

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Elliott a top 3 RB? lol Yeah I would say so. NFL leading rusher 2 out of 3 years and missed 6 games in his 2nd year and still posted 983 yards despite missing those 6 games.
 

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Great, thanks for clarifying. That doesn’t explain why people with the opinion that Zeke is the best refuse to address and/or acknowledge certain FACTS (ie most fumbles, better O line, less ypc average than Barkley, or most touches hence the most yards).
That’s because after weighing all of the facts it doesn’t sway their opinion.

There’s scientific evidence and facts presented to people every day and still doesn’t sway their beliefs and opinions.
 

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That’s because after weighing all of the facts it doesn’t sway their opinion.

There’s scientific evidence and facts presented to people every day and still doesn’t sway their beliefs and opinions.

Agreed, along with the fact that many that claim Zeke is the best don't watch many of the other backs play, while watching Zeke every week. So they're essentially comparing Zeke to his backups because thay's their runningback exposure.
 

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Agreed, along with the fact that many that claim Zeke is the best don't watch many of the other backs play, while watching Zeke every week. So they're essentially comparing Zeke to his backups because thay's their runningback exposure.
It’s difficult to measure how everyone arrives at their beliefs and opinions. I wouldn’t assume they haven’t watched everyone and aren’t knowledgeable to arrive at their opinion.
 

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OK .......I'll concede Barley, maybe, but no way in hell I'm putting Bell or Kamara over Zeke.





https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...acks-across-the-league-and-left-ezekiel-ellio



NFL.com ranked running backs across the league and left Ezekiel Elliott out of the top three
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The Cowboys getting disrespected.

By RJ Ochoa@rjochoa Jun 18, 2019, 4:30pm CDTSHARE
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Ezekiel Elliott is perhaps the best running back in football. This is a common assumption.

Zeke has been in the NFL for three seasons now and has two rushing titles decorating his mantle. He may very well have a third if not for his much-debated suspension in 2017, but still, two out of three is very good. In fact, it’s elite.

To many, Elliott is the gold standard at the running back position. He excels in every way that a running back should, his lone weak spot is contributions via the passing game, and that’s more Scott Linehan’s fault than anything else.



He's won the rushing title 2 out of the 3 years he has been in the league. The only reason he didn't win it the other year was because of his BS suspension. Yes he is a top 3 running back and anyone who disagrees is simply wrong.
 

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Great, thanks for clarifying. That doesn’t explain why people with the opinion that Zeke is the best refuse to address and/or acknowledge certain FACTS (ie most fumbles, better O line, less ypc average than Barkley, or most touches hence the most yards).
apparently I didn't clarify. it's their opinion that zeke is the best. just as it is mine. I don't care about stats.
 

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That’s because after weighing all of the facts it doesn’t sway their opinion.

There’s scientific evidence and facts presented to people every day and still doesn’t sway their beliefs and opinions.
that is partly true. judging an athlete still involves a measure of subjective opinion regardless of stats. whereas in science, the truth is not at all swayed by personal opinions. the truth of a test is its repetition with the same result over and over. in football, yac's can be greater if a d-back slips. too many variables. in science, there are no variables in determining the truth.
 

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Barkley might have more raw ability. It would be interesting to see what he could do behind this OL.

But some of the greatest RB in NFL history like OJ and Sanders ran behind crap OL most of their careers.
You're right Sanders, but dead wrong about Simpson. He had a fantastic O line - called "The Electric Company." And Joe DeLamielleure was one of the best linemen in the history of the NFL.
 

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While I don't think Barkley has played long enough yet to put him that high, I can agree w/ what you're saying.

Basically, Barkely needs to learn to hit the hole faster. He tends to wait too long trying to hit a HR. I thought I saw him doing better in this respect last season.
That's one of the characteristics I noticed in college. If there was a hole open, he paused and tried to beat them to the outside.
He seems like a good kid though, he should have a good career.
 

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You're right Sanders, but dead wrong about Simpson. He had a fantastic O line - called "The Electric Company." And Joe DeLamielleure was one of the best linemen in the history of the NFL.
I guess I was thinking about what a crap team Bills were most of those years.
 
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that is partly true. judging an athlete still involves a measure of subjective opinion regardless of stats. whereas in science, the truth is not at all swayed by personal opinions. the truth of a test is its repetition with the same result over and over. in football, yac's can be greater if a d-back slips. too many variables. in science, there are no variables in determining the truth.
I didn’t mean the facts or scientific evidence was swayed by opinions. I meant that people’s opinions weren’t always swayed by the scientific evidence and facts.
 

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I didn’t mean the facts or scientific evidence was swayed by opinions. I meant that people’s opinions weren’t always swayed by the scientific evidence and facts.
I understand what you meant, ergo my comment "partly true". is yac because a wr is great or the db made a poor tackle. is a qb's rating based on his great arm or great catches by his receivers. did a rb break a tackle, or did the tackler miss or take a bad angle. football stats can be skewed. scientific tests are required to be repeated until there is no doubt.
 
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