News: CBS Writers/Editors rank NFL QBs

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I agree with Donald being the best player in the NFL right now. And to me its not even close. But that is only when you meassure him by how he dominates at his position compared to others at their specific position. When you put in the value a position brings to a team you have to pick a QB.

I have a problem with Mahomes being No1. He was MVP and all. But lets see what he does in his second year after DCs had a season of film material and an offseason figuring out how to take away his strong sides and force him to be successfull by his weaknesess.

If he still plays like an MVP in his 2nd and 3rd season they'll have some reason to put him at one of the higher spots.

PS: I have a problem with "QB is the most valuable (or most important) position in ALL sport ". Maybe in team sports. But how do you compare a team player against an athlet in a solo sport? For instance a tennis player or a 100 meter Sprinter. Arent they the most important players in their (one man) team ? I know thats immanent by the sport itself. But still, its true.
Good question.

I’ve played golf, tennis, ran track, played baseball and basketball competitively. Not football.

And while there are some very athletic people playing golf and tennis it’s more of individual skill sets and coordination not raw athletic ability like speed and size provide in the team sports.

We usually see a limited number of greater talents dominate the individual sports for longer periods of time.

The QB has become the more critical position in football, at least at the professional level because of the Salary Cap. He’s the one position you protect usually over the life of their career because it’s so difficult finding QB’s. In Amateur football the QB isn’t as vital to a team’s success because they can stockpile surrounding talent while having one does enhance the team.

In MLB the pitcher is most critical and why odds are based on who’s pitching. And NBA is usually limited to a handful or less of teams and players. Very individual talent driven.
 

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Allen is as raw as they come, and he played for an embarrassingly bad offense last year. No receivers of note at all. And he did play better as they season progressed.

He went from Wyoming to the NFL. He had no idea what he was looking at, and he's NEVER had any real coaching at the position until last year. He has so much more to learn than a typical QB draft pick. But he's tough and he has perhaps the strongest arm in the game. Buffalo fans got really excited about him as the season progressed because he showed flashes of his natural ability.

But yes, he has a long way to go. He's just far from a finished product, unlike your avatar. That's why Allen went in the first round, and Dak was drafted with the special team picks.

The fact that you are skirting around, is that in order for Allen to be successful, he needs to DRAMATICALLY improve his accuracy. Because it is god awful right now.

Meanwhile, people think Dak isn’t good enough because he has accuracy issues at times. Although his accuracy is far better than Allen’s currently.

Allen has to make major improvements to his. Dak needs to make slight improvements to his.

I’m not trying to argue who is/will be better. Just highlighting the issue because there are many who think QB’s can’t improve accuracy.
 
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That is a good list of QBs and would be tough for any qb to break into. The fact that Dak is in contention for that list is a good thing.
 

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There’s nothing wrong with having an average to below average passing QB as long as its acknowledged as such.

Prescott is a better manager of the game at QB than his raw passing abilities which obviously can produce winning results but we shouldn’t confuse winning ways to a more Elite or prolific passing QB.
 

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The fact that you are skirting around, is that in order for Allen to be successful, he needs to DRAMATICALLY improve his accuracy. Because it is god awful right now.

Meanwhile, people think Dak isn’t good enough because he has accuracy issues at times. Although his accuracy is far better than Allen’s currently.

Allen has to make major improvements to his. Dak needs to make slight improvements to his.

I’m not trying to argue who is/will be better. Just highlighting the issue because there are many who think QB’s can’t improve accuracy.
I'm going to use the ridiculous Dak-lover tactic of posting a highlight film of Josh Allen.

Forget the accurate throws here because ALL quarterbacks have some highlights of accurate throws. Watch him step up in the pocket (whick Dak rarely does effectively) and watch the velocity of his throws with almost no effort whatsoever.

THAT is enticing. The rest is still to be proven or otherwise. But metally, he has it, and physically, he's got rare talent. No idea why he went to Wyoming because so far his coaching mentors are basically just neighborhood dads.

 

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I'm going to use the ridiculous Dak-lover tactic of posting a highlight film of Josh Allen.

Forget the accurate throws here because ALL quarterbacks have some highlights of accurate throws. Watch him step up in the pocket (whick Dak rarely does effectively) and watch the velocity of his throws with almost no effort whatsoever.

THAT is enticing. The rest is still to be proven or otherwise. But metally, he has it, and physically, he's got rare talent. No idea why he went to Wyoming because so far his coaching mentors are basically just neighborhood dads.



FWIW I have never once posted a highlight video of Dak or anyone else.

I’m also not questioning Allen’s physical talent. I’m one of the posters who think QB’s can improve accuracy.
 

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I often play Devils Advocate attempting to bring a balance between those extremes on both sides.

I was often critical of Romo as well while acknowledging his assets. And I was bashed for that criticism as well.

Surely most see the assets Prescott brings to the table but we must also see the challenges his weaknesses present.

All I can do is provide my viewpoint. I don’t expect all to agree. Thanks!

I try to take the same approach. Some times my feelings overwhelm me, especially at game time. But i hope i will be known here for my balanced approach rather then my somtimes emotionally driven posts. Well, i am only human too.

I dont like those extreme posts with a simple black/white argumentation. Problems or solutions are often complex and you have to weight in the positives and the negatives before you make a decission. Well, i guess i am not Jerry Jones ;-). And one reason i like and defend Garrett.

I was also very critical about Romo. But that does never meant i didnt appreciate the posivives he had. Also with Dak. I like this guy alot as a person. But as my longterm franchise QB to me there are alot of questions he has to answer first to really convince me.

After all i like good deep conversations. But i understand also to get a deeper understanding of dependencies you have to invest time. I myself am often too lazy to do good research. In this end this is only a hobby of mine and should stay fun, not giving me a feeling of work or pressure.

Even if people dont agree with me, i like getting other ideas or another point of view. Good arguments are never a bad thing. They make you think about questions you never thought of. They change you and make you more powerfull in life. That makes you more independent. And thats a good thing.
 

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FWIW I have never once posted a highlight video of Dak or anyone else.

I’m also not questioning Allen’s physical talent. I’m one of the posters who think QB’s can improve accuracy.
As Troy Aikman says, "you're either accurate, or you're not."

This, of course, assumes that you've had some level of proper coaching and experience. The SEC and Miss State provides that. I'm not sure what Wyoming really does in that regard. (Jay Novacek was a QB there for crying out loud.) I watched him play, and early on, you could just tell that the NFL was WAY over his head. It was moving way too fast, and he didn't understand the pro concepts or the level of talent on the field compared to what he faced in college. By the end of the year, his throws looked MUCH better, although the Bills were putrid.

In his case, coaching and practice will matter more FOR A WHILE. We'll know definitively by the end of this year if he can reign in his throws. That mechanical process should be coached into him by now.
 

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Not getting the Watson love.

I like Wason. But not sure I get the case for him over Prescott or Wentz. He plays with the best receiver in the league.

Outside of that, the top 9 I have no real qualms about.
He plays with the best receiver in the league...and absolutely nothing else. That OL in particular is a bad joke.

We talk here about a team wasting a QB's first contract. Look at Houston to see how it's done.
 

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Didn't look like Allen panic when pressured like our guy. Where's the bills offensive line ranked? That should be interesting.
 
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Bills line was pretty good. Looks like 29th, cry baby Dak needs all number one pros on the offensive line.
 

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This is a bizarrely pedantic argument to make. It's not even wrong, it's just... so what? Nobody thinks that the other 52 players on the Patriots have literally zero value just because Brady is great.

Yet, that is the argument so many make with QBs.
 

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He plays with the best receiver in the league...and absolutely nothing else. That OL in particular is a bad joke.

We talk here about a team wasting a QB's first contract. Look at Houston to see how it's done.

Well I like Will Fuller but he can't stay healthy so I give you that one.
 

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Good question.

I’ve played golf, tennis, ran track, played baseball and basketball competitively. Not football.

And while there are some very athletic people playing golf and tennis it’s more of individual skill sets and coordination not raw athletic ability like speed and size provide in the team sports.

We usually see a limited number of greater talents dominate the individual sports for longer periods of time.

The QB has become the more critical position in football, at least at the professional level because of the Salary Cap. He’s the one position you protect usually over the life of their career because it’s so difficult finding QB’s. In Amateur football the QB isn’t as vital to a team’s success because they can stockpile surrounding talent while having one does enhance the team.

In MLB the pitcher is most critical and why odds are based on who’s pitching. And NBA is usually limited to a handful or less of teams and players. Very individual talent driven.

I was born, raised and live in Germany. So my influence is more soccer which i played from 7 to around 13. So i am no professional here but made some experience in that sport. I played badminton for around 12 years. Decathlon, 100m sprints, played some basketball and tennis (but that was more out of fun because Boris Becker was my hero back in the days). I also played in The GFL ( thats germany's major league in american football). I played RB in my earlier "career " some OLB and QB. Later in the GFL mainly CB and some safety. I also had a girlfriend in Wales for a couple of years and was able to watch some Rugby games there. That brought me to playing football :).

I figure american football and especially on offense is a very systematic sport. I can't name another team sport that comparably works like it.
Especially on offense every player has a specific task to fullfill. If he makes a mistake it cant be compensated by another player on that sepcific play (with some minor exceptions of course). Most of the time the play ends with a negative outcome.

Some positions though can be successfull even if the player isnt able to do certains things. For instance WR. He can be very successful even if he isnt able to run all the routes or hasnt the whole understanding of what the idea of the offense really is about. Still he can compensate for it. TEs can be pure blockers and still florish or help the offense being successful.
But the QB position is much more demanding. If he cant throw the deep ball the offense will stall. No matter how good he is in understandig the system, reading defenses, making proper calls etc. Kellen Moore i guess is a good example.

The QB is the most exposed player on the field. He has to be at least good in everything to have his offense be really successful. He makes the calls, changes plays. Needs to have a deep understanding of defensive systems etc. Everything depends so much on him. If he throws a bad ball the play is dead. If a WR runs a wrong route the QB may still adjust and make a play to another guy. But DCs will pick your QB apart if they find a weaknes in his game.

As i said i have a good knowledge about soccer. But i cant Imaging a position there which has such a radical dependency on your teams success. Even for example Messi (a great argentinian soccer player who is a genius to some) and his position as a central midfielder to me isnt as vital to the sucess of a team.

Rugby ? No. Cricket ? I dont know enough of that sports but as it is related with baseball i would say no also.

There are of course a lot more team sports but i kind of find it hard to point out a position that is more vital to a team then the QBs. Maybe the headcoach :p. (Well, in the end i couldnt resist, haha).
 

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Well I like Will Fuller but he can't stay healthy so I give you that one.
Yes. I thought Fuller was a one-trick pony but looking at it, he was very good when he played last year. But he doesn't play much. Also, Miller and Blue are perfectly fine RBs, but neither has ever provided much of anything in the passing game. Watson just doesn't have much in the way of weapons and he has an OL made up of wannabe bullfighters.
 

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I’m more apt to listen to sportswriters critique than Slobbering fans who all too often come across like parents defending their own kids. Not everyone is able to be openly critical of their own guys.
That’s true, but then it’s fairly obvious that most sportswriters have agendas of their own — readership, clicks on website columns, relative market-share, etc.

In the sportswriting game, it’s always better to have your words read, and then to be denounced because of a carefully-crafted inflammatory “take”, than to be ignored — and possibly soon out of a job.
 
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