News: PFT: Ezekiel Elliott has privately said that he's planning a training-camp holdout

[PhillyCowboysFan]

No, I'm not. Your point is that rookie caps make sense because they protect owners from giving out bad rookie contracts. From a player like Zeke's perspective, that means being grossly underpaid for 5 years. Has nothing to do with revenue split.

Ok I get your point. I originally took it as if the owners was saving that money as it is now allocated towards veterans contracts.

Now when you say grossly underpaid anyone under a rookie contract that had had Zeke’s success as been given an extension and rewarded enough to make up for the supposed underpayment.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The load that the Cowboys put on Zeke year to year compounded by his physical style of play tell me that he might sustain(god forbid))a major injury at some point during a long term deal. I do know that this puts Dak in a horrible position. Because if the Cowboys can’t come to terms with Zeke and he sits out long term, the onus of this offense falls on him and his highly inconsistent arm and Noooobody wants that, especially Dak.

Well, the other side of that is that if Dak is going to get paid like a top QB in this league, then he should be able to get it done with or without Zeke. I mean, I understand what you are saying but if he's going to demand that kind of money, then it's on him to get it done. That's why you don't pay him 30 plus and just say, "Oh yeah, that's the going rate these days." That's just a stupid way to do business IMO but you see it said all the time, and not just on this board. You hear talking heads say it as well.

 

[Sydla]

Hamstring will accrue a season.

I have little doubt if he fakes an injury the Cowboys will call him out and file a grievance.

 

[glimmerman]

They will continue to have talks. I think he shows for TC. It’s not like he is going to play preseason games.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Well any rookie is.
I wouldnt cry over that money tough.

Keep it real. This guy didnt play a full season for us until now. And is a step away from being suspened for a whole season.

Let him hold out. Lets see what happens.

He aint no emitt. But seems to act like.

Technically Elliott hasn't played an entire season yet. In both 2016 and 2018 Garrett sat him in the final games because the Cowboys were already locked in the playoffs. Also his next suspension will probably be for 10 games. Normally it goes 2, 4, 6 and then 10 and then the entire season.
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[InTheZone]

So the alternative it bow to him and overpay him?

That sounds smart.

Hmmm, this resolution sounds very similar to a player of a different position on the team.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Zeke won't play without a contract. By holdout, or hamstring.

I doubt he or any player fakes an injury because that will cost him his pay according to the NFL by-laws. He can hold out until week 10 and still get the season count as an accrued season.
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[CouchCoach]

Hmmm, this resolution sounds very similar to a player of a different position on the team.

More than one, they've already pulled the trigger on one and have several in the wings waiting.

 

[Future]

Again, the players decided on the Rookie Cap stuff. They didn't want Rookies making the majority of the money while Vets got paid peanuts. This is not an owner driven thing. They pay whatever the amount is that needs to be spent. This is about the players.

The players who decided it are vets - guys like Zeke were still in high school when the CBA was written. It works for the owners and for the vets. Of course owners wanted it, becuase it stops the Sam Bradford, Jamarcus Russel contracts from ever happening again.

It screws over rookies, like Zeke, who had no say in the CBA.

 

[Future]

Well any rookie is.
I wouldnt cry over that money tough.

Keep it real. This guy didnt play a full season for us until now. And is a step away from being suspened for a whole season.

Let him hold out. Lets see what happens.

He aint no emitt. But seems to act like.

Literally none of what you said matters.

Zeke is the best RB in the game and not being paid like it. The other factors really don't have any influence. He holds all the cards and, whether we like it or not, is every bit as important to this team as Emmitt was.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Ok I get your point. I originally took it as if the owners was saving that money as it is now allocated towards veterans contracts.

Now when you say grossly underpaid anyone under a rookie contract that had had Zeke’s success as been given an extension and rewarded enough to make up for the supposed underpayment.

Rookies on a 4 year contract CAN'T have their contracts extended until AFTER the 3rd season. The rookie wage scale was a NFLPA demand to help protect against rookies getting bigger contracts than veteran players have. To give teams more money for signing veteran players. Talk about under paid Elliott made 2.7 mil last season and Prescott made 630K last season after being named NFL offensive rookie of the year.
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[glimmerman]

Rookies on a 4 year contract CAN'T have their contracts extended until AFTER the 3rd season. The rookie wage scale was a NFLPA demand to help protect against rookies getting bigger contracts than veteran players have. To give teams more money for signing veteran players. Talk about under paid Elliott made 2.7 mil last season and Prescott made 630K last season after being named NFL offensive rookie of the year.
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Elliot got 4 years and 25 million coming out of college and never playing a snap in the NFL.

He got a 16 million dollar signing bonus. Here ya go kid here is 16 million dollars. That why this year he gets 3.8 million.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

Rookies on a 4 year contract CAN'T have their contracts extended until AFTER the 3rd season. The rookie wage scale was a NFLPA demand to help protect against rookies getting bigger contracts than veteran players have. To give teams more money for signing veteran players. Talk about under paid Elliott made 2.7 mil last season and Prescott made 630K last season after being named NFL offensive rookie of the year.
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So you think that three years is too long to wait to evaluate a rookie player to extend?

And as I stated if the are so good and it turns out that they may have been underpaid, well it is always made up with their new contract....EVRYTIME! Name one player that was underpaid and didn’t eventually get theirs! Come on name just one!

Also see post above!

 

[eternaljester81]

I doubt he or any player fakes an injury because that will cost him his pay according to the NFL by-laws. He can hold out until week 10 and still get the season count as an accrued season.
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[gjkoeppen]

The players who decided it are vets - guys like Zeke were still in high school when the CBA was written. It works for the owners and for the vets. Of course owners wanted it, becuase it stops the Sam Bradford, Jamarcus Russel contracts from ever happening again.

It screws over rookies, like Zeke, who had no say in the CBA.

So now the NFL should have to consult high school players when negotiating the next CBA? Ya I'd like to be screwed over like Elliott and get paid 3.8 mil this year. He and people that think players can break their word and hold out for more money seem to forget that what they are actually making is many many many times more than they will make the entire lives if it weren't for the NFL. Players that break their word and hold out for more money and the people that think they should forgot that it's not a right to play in the NFL and get huge paychecks, it's a privilege.
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So you think that three years is too long to wait to evaluate a rookie player to extend?

And as I stated if the are so good and it turns out that they may have been underpaid, well it is always made up with their new contract....EVRYTIME! Name one player that was underpaid and didn’t eventually get theirs! Come on name just one!

Also see post above!

That rule is part of the CBA. It has less than zero to what you, me or the teams think prior to the end of the 3rd season. You should read up on the CBA before you continue this.
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[gjkoeppen]

Your tweet has zero to do with faking injury.

 

[Tussinman]

Elliot got 4 years and 25 million coming out of college and never playing a snap in the NFL.

He got a 16 million dollar signing bonus. Here ya go kid here is 16 million dollars. That why this year he gets 3.8 million.

Zeke's current rookie deal is #1 in fully guranteed and #3 in total guranteed for his position.

He literally cannot hold out, he's getting top money for his position and the worst case sceanrio for him is being a free agent at only 25 years old while of already making 35 million

 

[Cowboys1fan]

And if he had come into the league and performed poorly or just as an average back, he would be overpaid. But I bet he wouldn’t offer to renegotiate his contract downward to reflect his play. It cuts both ways.

We’d just be on the verge of moving him if that was the case or cutting him

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

So now the NFL should have to consult high school players when negotiating the next CBA? Ya I'd like to be screwed over like Elliott and get paid 3.8 mil this year. He and people that think players can break their word and hold out for more money seem to forget that what they are actually making is many many many times more than they will make the entire lives if it weren't for the NFL. Players that break their word and hold out for more money and the people that think they should forgot that it's not a right to play in the NFL and get huge paychecks, it's a privilege.
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That rule is part of the CBA. It has less than zero to what you, me or the teams think prior to the end of the 3rd season. You should read up on the CBA before you continue this.
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Ok you are just missing my point. First I totally understand the CBA and why that provision was negotiated by the NFLPA and it was very smart of them as the rookie contracts was out of hand and limiting the veterans share of the salary cap. Have you seen Sam Bradford’s or JaMarcus Russell’s rookie contracts. Anyway my point is that yes I agree that Zeke is underpaid for how he has performed and I am stating that he is going to more then makeup for it when he finally signs an extension. They ALWAYS DO!

So my point is that the rookie salary scale is very good to not overpay and take money from the veterans and if anyone is ever underpaid compared to their performance, they always get there’s with the extensions. It’s good economics.

 

[glimmerman]

Zeke's current rookie deal is #1 in fully guranteed and #3 in total guranteed for his position.

He literally cannot hold out, he's getting top money for his position and the worst case sceanrio for him is being a free agent at only 25 years old while of already making 35 million

Yeah i know. And if he is calm he will get paid. Maybe even this year. SJ said they already have the money to the side. Starting negotiation on our side is gurly money. Thats 4 years and 57.5 million to start. 45 guaranteed and a 21 million dollar signing bonus to start. Crazy money.