The Case Against Extending Elliott

[PAPPYDOG]

The case for seems to revolve around two points.

1) He's a top 3 RB.

Can't argue that point and he'd probably be #1 if he scored more TD's on a team ranked 22nd in scoring in the NFL and 14th in the NFC. You read that right, 14th in the NFC behind the NYG and PHL. The only two NFC teams to score less were WAS and AZ.

The point I will argue is the necessity of a top 3 RB on any team.

2) The Cowboys run the offense through him and the QB is not as good without him in the game.

Can't argue that point either but is there a good reason to continue doing that with the price of the player? Is that what this offense is going to be dependent on for the QB? If so, take a look at that scoring ranking in the NFC again. A full 10 ppg behind the NFCCG participants. The QB needs THIS RB to average 21 ppg?

Maybe we're looking at this problem from the wrong angle? This QB needs a run game, or at least has up until now, but the only reason he needs this RB is that he's the only RB1 he's had. Do we assume there aren't other RB's that can help the QB? Cheaper RB's? Maybe playing in college this season?

The real case for not having a top 5 paid RB is that if this offense continues to run the offense through him, it's not going anywhere. That's the offense of yesteryear and if you think they promoted an ex QB to OC to run the ball, think that one again. All of this sign Elliott is based on that #2 point. If you expect that to continue, then expect another OC next season.

The name of the game is scoring and he doesn't do that. Top 5 paid RB's don't rank 19th in rushing TD's. And top 5 paid RB's don't get 47 yards on 20 carries and 2 catches for 19 in the most important game of the season.

A good RB is a necessity, a top 5 paid one is a luxury.

There no reasons as without Zeke our offense is GARBAGE!!!!!

 

[CouchCoach]

Plus the league is anti-trade with Dallas.

We might get a 3rd for Zeke because the NFL refuses to let Jerry get a decent trade deal in our favor.

LMAO, you blame the league for his lame trades up until the one for Cooper? They didn't make him give up two 1sts for Galloway or Williams, he did that on his own.

 

[JoeKing]

We had a guy named Emmitt for three of those, a HOF RB. We have been trying to rebuild that 90s team since JG took over. We can’t win with an average back. Neither JG nor Dak are good enough to do that.
And say you get a bevy of picks in a trade, what positions you drafting? Pass Rusher? We just paid a great one. OL? We have three all pros. WR? We are stocked there. LB, we have 3 pro bowlers.
CB? We’re pretty good there. S? We like our guys apparently. QB? We are going all in on Dak.
And outside QB, what position alters a game and touches the ball as much as Zeke?
This team is loaded, JG is the Achilles heel.

Teams win SB all the time without a workhorse RB. We can do it too, nut let's make this clear, that's not what I'm suggesting we do. We can get another guy if we trade Zeke. He's not that special.

 

[John813]

Myth....3-5 last season until we got Dak a viable WR so Dak could do his job.

Minor correction, they were 3-4.

Cooper was on the team for the Titans loss that put the team at 3-5.

So they went 7-2 with Cooper. Still really good lol.


IMO the only reasons why you wait to extend him are or don't at all:

1. Off the field issues leading to either legal or NFL trouble
2. Being worn down towards the end of the extension
3. You think a cheaper back could come close to his production at a fraction of a cost.


Out of the 3, I think #3 is something the Cowboys could achieve. Take another back in the top 3 rounds that fits what you want and I think they would still have a good run game.

That being said, I think they'll extend him, but not this offseason.

 

[bsbellomy]

The case for seems to revolve around two points.

1) He's a top 3 RB.

Can't argue that point and he'd probably be #1 if he scored more TD's on a team ranked 22nd in scoring in the NFL and 14th in the NFC. You read that right, 14th in the NFC behind the NYG and PHL. The only two NFC teams to score less were WAS and AZ.

The point I will argue is the necessity of a top 3 RB on any team.

2) The Cowboys run the offense through him and the QB is not as good without him in the game.

Can't argue that point either but is there a good reason to continue doing that with the price of the player? Is that what this offense is going to be dependent on for the QB? If so, take a look at that scoring ranking in the NFC again. A full 10 ppg behind the NFCCG participants. The QB needs THIS RB to average 21 ppg?

Maybe we're looking at this problem from the wrong angle? This QB needs a run game, or at least has up until now, but the only reason he needs this RB is that he's the only RB1 he's had. Do we assume there aren't other RB's that can help the QB? Cheaper RB's? Maybe playing in college this season?

The real case for not having a top 5 paid RB is that if this offense continues to run the offense through him, it's not going anywhere. That's the offense of yesteryear and if you think they promoted an ex QB to OC to run the ball, think that one again. All of this sign Elliott is based on that #2 point. If you expect that to continue, then expect another OC next season.

The name of the game is scoring and he doesn't do that. Top 5 paid RB's don't rank 19th in rushing TD's. And top 5 paid RB's don't get 47 yards on 20 carries and 2 catches for 19 in the most important game of the season.

A good RB is a necessity, a top 5 paid one is a luxury.

Seems like you are building a better case against paying Dak. If he can't get the job done with Zeke then he's sure in a world trouble without him.

Oh and for the record Dak during Zeke's 6 game suspension in 2017: 1146 yards (191/gm), 107-167 (64%), 5TDs and 7 INTs, 18ppg.

 

[ItzKelz]

Seems like you are building a better case against paying Dak. If he can't get the job done with Zeke then he's sure in a world trouble without him.

Oh and for the record Dak during Zeke's 6 game suspension in 2017: 1146 yards (191/gm), 107-167 (64%), 5TDs and 7 INTs, 18ppg.

Sophomore slump and still went 3-3

 

[CouchCoach]

There is no case. Extend him now for 3 years with a 4th year option. He’s good for at least that long. It’s freaking amazing to me how some fans want to get rid of the best RB in the last 10 years if not longer. And don’t tell me let him play out his remaining 2 years. You think Zeke is going to let that happen? No.

He won't play the option year and may not play this one, that remains to be seen. However, I do not see the Cowboys as a team that will not blink, they did it with Bryant.

The real question is not how much but how much causes them not to be able to keep valuable players at other positions. If they hadn't already done a DE for 21M and looking at a 30-34M QB and 16-17M WR, it would be different.

If they can keep Elliott and not lose players off that D like Jones or Smith and have room for the others, no problem but I don't think they can do that and if they can it's going to be a small window to max that out before it starts to disassemble.

 

[CouchCoach]

Seems like you are building a better case against paying Dak. If he can't get the job done with Zeke then he's sure in a world trouble without him.

Oh and for the record Dak during Zeke's 6 game suspension in 2017: 1146 yards (191/gm), 107-167 (64%), 5TDs and 7 INTs, 18ppg.

That's not going to happen and the options they have if they don't extend Prescott are much more limiting than replacing a RB. They're only option is to draft a QB next year and that's not a great option.

I am assuming they're going to extend Prescott and Cooper, that's the reason I do not think extending Elliott is wise.

 

[Ranching]

The case for seems to revolve around two points.

1) He's a top 3 RB.

Can't argue that point and he'd probably be #1 if he scored more TD's on a team ranked 22nd in scoring in the NFL and 14th in the NFC. You read that right, 14th in the NFC behind the NYG and PHL. The only two NFC teams to score less were WAS and AZ.

The point I will argue is the necessity of a top 3 RB on any team.

2) The Cowboys run the offense through him and the QB is not as good without him in the game.

Can't argue that point either but is there a good reason to continue doing that with the price of the player? Is that what this offense is going to be dependent on for the QB? If so, take a look at that scoring ranking in the NFC again. A full 10 ppg behind the NFCCG participants. The QB needs THIS RB to average 21 ppg?

Maybe we're looking at this problem from the wrong angle? This QB needs a run game, or at least has up until now, but the only reason he needs this RB is that he's the only RB1 he's had. Do we assume there aren't other RB's that can help the QB? Cheaper RB's? Maybe playing in college this season?

The real case for not having a top 5 paid RB is that if this offense continues to run the offense through him, it's not going anywhere. That's the offense of yesteryear and if you think they promoted an ex QB to OC to run the ball, think that one again. All of this sign Elliott is based on that #2 point. If you expect that to continue, then expect another OC next season.

The name of the game is scoring and he doesn't do that. Top 5 paid RB's don't rank 19th in rushing TD's. And top 5 paid RB's don't get 47 yards on 20 carries and 2 catches for 19 in the most important game of the season.

A good RB is a necessity, a top 5 paid one is a luxury.

Lol!!! Get the flip outta here with this crap!!

 

[Rockport]

He won't play the option year and may not play this one, that remains to be seen. However, I do not see the Cowboys as a team that will not blink, they did it with Bryant.

The real question is not how much but how much causes them not to be able to keep valuable players at other positions. If they hadn't already done a DE for 21M and looking at a 30-34M QB and 16-17M WR, it would be different.

If they can keep Elliott and not lose players off that D like Jones or Smith and have room for the others, no problem but I don't think they can do that and if they can it's going to be a small window to max that out before it starts to disassemble.

Well the Cowboys said they can. Sorry Couch but I believe them over you or I.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Did you not here me say "trade"? We won 5 SBs without Zeke and we can win without him in the future too. We'll have another workhorse RB if Zeke is traded.

One of those Superbowls was with Tony Dorsett. Surely one of the best running backs in his time. Three more were with Emmitt Smith. The best running back of all time.

The first Superbowl win was with Dan Reeves, Walt Garrison, Duane Thomas and Calvin Hill. Surely a running back by committee.

Your assertion about the Superbowls was absurd, as is your arguments against Zeke. And some nebulous rookie and Smith do not equal Zeke in this or any universe you may end up in.

Exactly as Rockport said. Extend him for four years with the last an option year at the Cowboys option.

Your ideas on this issue remind me of the days when Landry ran in a different QB on every play. On paper it seemed like such a great plan. But in practice it turned out to be a horrible idea.

That was the HOF Tom Landry with a horrible idea. One of the greatest to coach this professional game.

So taking that into consideration, what does that make your idea?

I shudder to think.

 

[CouchCoach]

Well the Cowboys said they can. Sorry Couch but I believe them over you or I.

Definitely believe them over me but not so sure about you.

Seriously, we will see if they can do what they think they can do. And even if they can, they better be the healthiest team in the league if they want to contend.

Going the opposite direction of that cat in NE doesn't sound like a good idea to me. Anyone think he's making any RB the top paid at his position? And he loves to run the ball.

 

[CouchCoach]

Lol!!! Get the flip outta here with this crap!!

OK, but I am coming back with a vengeance.

 

[DuncanIso]

The fan/media focus should be on who would replace Zeke more than on other issues in this debate.

They probably don't have that player on the roster right now.

Pollard:
I'm a big fan of the pick as an offensive weapon with a versatile skill-set; however, I don't know if he projects to being a lead NFL RB.

Weber:
He was pick #218 in the draft. He appears to have some talent but it's not a lock that he'll even make the 53 man roster this season.


Zeke is under contract for 2 more seasons.

Actually holding out of regular season games is NOT likely to happen.
Le'Veon Bell lost 14.5M and didn't gain anything by skipping 2018.​

Not that easy to replace Zeke.

He probably ranks below Emmitt and Dorsett in potential.

He'll break team records if he stays in Dallas.

NOTE: Bell signed a 4 yr 52millon contract with the Jets. 8 Mil sign bonus. He couldnt wait to get out of Pitt.

Bell made a total of 16 mill in 5 seasons with the Steelers. 12.1 Mill in his final season.

Let that sink in.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/leveon-bell-12329/cash-earnings/

Thats what happens when you wait around for Mgmt to make a deal for you.

Zeke isnt that dumb.

 

[JoeKing]

One of those Superbowls was with Tony Dorsett. Surely one of the best running backs in his time. Three more were with Emmitt Smith. The best running back of all time.

The first Superbowl win was with Dan Reeves, Walt Garrison, Duane Thomas and Calvin Hill. Surely a running back by committee.

Your assertion about the Superbowls was absurd, as is your arguments against Zeke. And some nebulous rookie and Smith do not equal Zeke in this or any universe you may end up in.

Exactly as Rockport said. Extend him for four years with the last an option year at the Cowboys option.

Your ideas on this issue remind me of the days when Landry ran in a different QB on every play. On paper it seemed like such a great plan. But in practice it turned out to be a horrible idea.

That was the HOF Tom Landry with a horrible idea. One of the greatest to coach this professional game.

So taking that into consideration, what does that make your idea?

I shudder to think.

I know the Cowboys history but that doesn't mean they can win without a workhorse RB. And again, I'm not suggesting the Cowboys try to. Are you hearing that?

 

[Ranching]

OK, but I am coming back with a vengeance.

Let me know when so I can post a CouchCoach comes back menu!!!

 

[CouchCoach]

One of those Superbowls was with Tony Dorsett. Surely one of the best running backs in his time. Three more were with Emmitt Smith. The best running back of all time.

The first Superbowl win was with Dan Reeves, Walt Garrison, Duane Thomas and Calvin Hill. Surely a running back by committee.

Your assertion about the Superbowls was absurd, as is your arguments against Zeke. And some nebulous rookie and Smith do not equal Zeke in this or any universe you may end up in.

Exactly as Rockport said. Extend him for four years with the last an option year at the Cowboys option.

Your ideas on this issue remind me of the days when Landry ran in a different QB on every play. On paper it seemed like such a great plan. But in practice it turned out to be a horrible idea.

That was the HOF Tom Landry with a horrible idea. One of the greatest to coach this professional game.

So taking that into consideration, what does that make your idea?

I shudder to think.

What RB's did NE win the SB with? When all of those backs you mentioned played, what was the % of run/pass? Between 55-60% run, an elite back was a much hotter commodity back then and those SB teams had top defenses as well. But most of all, none had a cap that would force them to pay Dorsett or Smith and give up some of those players on the D side.

There are few comparisons that can be made pre cap and post cap NFL. It's a different game now.

But even if you could make them. What if the Cowboys didn't have Dorsett but another quality RB? Same with Smith. We don't know but those were good teams beyond the RB.

 

[CouchCoach]

Let me know when so I can post a CouchCoach comes back menu!!!

LMAO!

 

[cern]

Leading rusher 2 out of 3 years in nfl. And consider this was done with linehan as his oc. This argument can also be used in relation to dak. Most games won in 3 years, second only to brady. Also with the LCD linehan as his oc. I think both are capable of even more than we've already seen. Sign them up.

 

[Rockport]

Definitely believe them over me but not so sure about you.

Seriously, we will see if they can do what they think they can do. And even if they can, they better be the healthiest team in the league if they want to contend.

Going the opposite direction of that cat in NE doesn't sound like a good idea to me. Anyone think he's making any RB the top paid at his position? And he loves to run the ball.

Every team needs to be fortunate when it comes to injuries. Every team.