Twitter: MVP Odds

[HungryLion]

Lets be real. Aside from Dak’s ability or lack thereof, in order for a cowboys QB to win MVP, something would have to go wrong with the offense. Meaning. We are a run first offense. We are going to remain a run first offense unless something happens to Zeke.

Our offense isn’t designed in a way that is meant for a QB to win MVP.

 

[OmerV]

Lets be real. Aside from Dak’s ability or lack thereof, in order for a cowboys QB to win MVP, something would have to go wrong with the offense. Meaning. We are a run first offense. We are going to remain a run first offense unless something happens to Zeke.

Our offense isn’t designed in a way that is meant for a QB to win MVP.

Of course we don't know how much will change with Moore, but since 2014 the offense has been at it's best with the QB throwing about 29 times per game, while there are QB's that throw 40+ times a game. That makes it hard for a Cowboy QB to win MVP because no matter how sharp he is, he isn't likely to be among the stat leaders. That's not to say it's impossible - I suspect Romo was a pretty serious MVP candidate in 2014, but he also probably split votes with DeMarco Murray. Dak might be in the same boat with Elliott.

 

[HungryLion]

Of course we don't know how much will change with Moore, but since 2014 the offense has been at it's best with the QB throwing about 29 times per game, while there are QB's that throw 40+ times a game. That makes it hard for a Cowboy QB to win MVP because no matter how sharp he is, he isn't likely to be among the stat leaders. That's not to say it's impossible - I suspect Romo was a pretty serious MVP candidate in 2014, but he also probably split votes with DeMarco Murray. Dak might be in the same boat with Elliott.

Agreed.

In 2014. The cowboys were tied for the best record in the NFL. Tony had the best QB rating in the league. Still didn’t win MVP because the total passing yards and passing touchdowns numbers were lower than others.

 

[WillieBeamen]

In disguise?

I don’t have a problem with @WillieBeamen but this thread isn’t a disguised Dak bashing thread. He is pretty open about it.

What you mean?



I love Dak

 

[JD_KaPow]

Yet another bash Dak thread in disguise. There is no way Zeke has a better chance at winning MVP honors over Dak. This Zeke > Dak campaign needs to end right now. Dak is going to get paid and paid first. Zeke is getting traded if he gets greedy. That is where the priorities are with the Cowboys. Dak is our MVP.

It's much much more likely that Zeke gets the MVP than Dak, but it has nothing to do with the relative quality of the players.

The odds of Dak putting up a season with bigger numbers than Mahomes and Luck and Rodgers and Brady and all the other QBs are really really low, in large part because the Cowboys simply won't throw the ball enough (unless they're losing, in which case he won't be in contention anyway). And big numbers are what it takes to win the MVP.

The odds of Zeke having a statistical monster of a season that the voters simply cannot ignore (i.e. 2000+ rushing yards) are much better.

Emmitt Smith won an MVP and came in 3rd twice. Aikman never sniffed one. He came in 5th once (1993) and never got a vote any other year. Same reasons.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Agreed.

In 2014. The cowboys were tied for the best record in the NFL. Tony had the best QB rating in the league. Still didn’t win MVP because the total passing yards and passing touchdowns numbers were lower than others.

This is pretty misleading.

Tony's passer rating was 113.2. Rodgers put up a 112.2. Those are not meaningfully different. (Third place was 103). Plus, Rodgers put up those numbers over 85 more pass attempts.
Tony ran 26 times for 61 yards (2.3 ypc) and no TDs. Rodgers ran 43 times for 269 yards (6.3 ypc) and 2 TDs. Those numbers don't show up in the passer rating.
Tony had a sack percentage of 6.3%. Rodgers's was 5.1%. Those numbers don't show up in the passer rating either.

Rodgers won the MVP because overall he had a better season than Romo.

 

[WillieBeamen]

This is pretty misleading.

Tony's passer rating was 113.2. Rodgers put up a 112.2. Those are not meaningfully different. (Third place was 103). Plus, Rodgers put up those numbers over 85 more pass attempts.
Tony ran 26 times for 61 yards (2.3 ypc) and no TDs. Rodgers ran 43 times for 269 yards (6.3 ypc) and 2 TDs. Those numbers don't show up in the passer rating.
Tony had a sack percentage of 6.3%. Rodgers's was 5.1%. Those numbers don't show up in the passer rating either.

Rodgers won the MVP because overall he had a better season than Romo.

This isnt true


Romo didnt win because Murray had 1800 yards and won OPOY.

He did not have a better year than Romo

This is only the 7th time in the last 38 seasons that a QB has led the league in passer rating, completion percentage, touchdown percentage, and yards per pass attempt. The other six QB who did it all won the Most Valuable Player award for that season.

2014 Romo
2007 Brady
2001 Warner
1999 Warner
1994 Young
1992 Young
1989 Montana

bold = MVP

Amazing season he had and also why its insane posters on here think Dak is anywhere close to Romo’s level....

 

[OmerV]

What you mean?



I love Dak

So much so you would love to give him a big hug around the neck … with a piano wire … pulled nice and tight ...

 

[DFWJC]

I would bet 3300 to earn 100 that Mitch Trubiski wont be NFL MVP
He will continue to i prove, but no way

 

[HungryLion]

This is pretty misleading.

Tony's passer rating was 113.2. Rodgers put up a 112.2. Those are not meaningfully different. (Third place was 103). Plus, Rodgers put up those numbers over 85 more pass attempts.
Tony ran 26 times for 61 yards (2.3 ypc) and no TDs. Rodgers ran 43 times for 269 yards (6.3 ypc) and 2 TDs. Those numbers don't show up in the passer rating.
Tony had a sack percentage of 6.3%. Rodgers's was 5.1%. Those numbers don't show up in the passer rating either.

Rodgers won the MVP because overall he had a better season than Romo.

Not intentionally misleading. Rodgers is Rodgers so I would never try to argue he wasn’t worthy either. But was using it as an example about how our offense leads to deflated total QB stats due to it being run first.

 

[Risen Star]

66-1 for a QB who can't throw the ball?

A fool and their money....

 

[JD_KaPow]

Not intentionally misleading. Rodgers is Rodgers so I would never try to argue he wasn’t worthy either. But was using it as an example about how our offense leads to deflated total QB stats due to it being run first.

That's fair. I just remember a lot of arguments here about how Romo was totally shafted by the voters, with the passer rating difference being offered as obvious proof that he was better than Rodgers.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Of course. Everyone else is wrong, but you... you know the secrets to nfl analysis. It only makes sense.

Just like they were wrong about eagles winning the division last year.....

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Exactly.

What do you mean exactly..... Eagles are overrated. Remember last year everybody said eagles would win the division and Dallas would be in the basement...... How did that work for everybody

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Someone someday needs to explain the Wentz universal love affair. I just don’t get it.

It's because most of these guys said Wentz is the best QB coming out and Dak would be lucky to be a backup at best. They were wrong and so now they hold onto the 17 season even though Watson was leading the MVP race before he was injured.

 

[JD_KaPow]

This isnt true


Romo didnt win because Murray had 1800 yards and won OPOY.

He did not have a better year than Romo

Having a little trouble parsing this. You're saying Rodgers didn't have a better year than Romo, right? I disagree, and point to the numbers I presented as my evidence.

You quoted Percy's post, I assume as evidence that Romo should have won the MVP?

This is only the 7th time in the last 38 seasons that a QB has led the league in passer rating, completion percentage, touchdown percentage, and yards per pass attempt. The other six QB who did it all won the Most Valuable Player award for that season.

2014 Romo
2007 Brady
2001 Warner
1999 Warner
1994 Young
1992 Young
1989 Montana

bold = MVP

There are a couple problems here.
First, completion percentage, yards per pass attempt and TD percentage are all part of passer rating, so this is all pretty redundant, and still ignores sacks and rushing.
Second and more importantly, those other guys didn't have competition like Rodgers. All of them except 2001 Warner led the league in passer rating by at least 13 points (Warner led by 6, Romo led by only 1), and all of them except Montana led the league in passing TD (Rodgers led Romo by 4). 2014 was a unique year.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Just like they were wrong about eagles winning the division last year.....

We ended up making it as far as you anyway. That's worth something I'd say.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Question......if I put down $150 bucks for Dak and he wins it @ 66/1 odd, what's my take?

 

[JJHLH1]

Zeke actually received 9 MVP votes in 2016, our best season.

You want to know how many votes Dak received?

Dak won Offensive Rookie of the Year in 2016 over Zeke.

But the only award that really matters is Super Bowl MVP.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

We ended up making it as far as you anyway. That's worth something I'd say.

Did you win the division like everybody said before the season started? Y'all don't have Foles to save the losing season like last year.

Way to dance around the foolishness you posted. Every year when the majority picks the winner or best team in the East they are wrong. So saying everybody says it isn't a very good argument as most of the time they are wrong.

If the majority was saying Dallas was going to win the division I would be worried. But since they said Philly will, I'm confident Philly will not win it and I'm betting on it.