There's a reason Dak wants to get paid now

[glimmerman]

He just has to produce. Our Defense has to play well and limit the other team.

 

[percyhoward]

In 2018, Prescott didn't have to face a defense that was ranked in the Top 5 in passer rating. Three of 2019's opponents (Vikings, Bills, Bears) ranked in the Top 5 last year. Last year's rankings may have little to do with 2019, but just the law of averages says it's highly unlikely that Dak would go a second consecutive season without facing a Top 5 pass defense at least once.

Prescott's first three seasons
in 6 career games vs. Top 5 Pass Defenses:
110 of 192 (57%) 1155 yd (6.0 ypa) 6 td 6 int 72.3

vs. all other opponents during that time (44 games)
928 of 1382 (67%) 10474 yd (7.6 ypa) 66 td 21 int 99.2

Historically (and predictably), young QB struggle against elite pass defenses. (These numbers are not adjusted for era.)

Romo's first four seasons as a starter
in 9 career games vs. Top 5 Pass Defenses:
204 of 337 (59%) 2409 yd (7.1 ypa) 10 td 11 int 78.6

vs. all other opponents during that time (52 games)
1086 of 1706 (64%) 13572 yd (8.0 ypa) 102 td 46 int 97.0

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Remember as a rookie in the NFL, Dak went to Greenbay and beat an Aaron Rodgers led team. Dak went to Pittsburgh and beat a Big Ben Steelers led team. These are 2 QBs Tony Romo has never beaten on the road. Dak has beaten Carson Wentz led teams for the Division Championship at home and on the road. Dak has beaten Drew Brees, Kurt Cousins, Eli Manning, Matthew Stafford, and Russell Wilson led teams including beating Russell Wilson in the playoffs.

I am sure Dak is not thinking about what you are suggesting at all.

I stated wait until the Cowboys are +10 wins this year and then sign him to that top 5 QB contract. But, it is only going to cost the Cowboys more than it would now. But, if Jerry chooses this GM route, it will be to the shame of the Dallas Cowboys.

Small fact correction: Dallas won in Green Bay in 2008.
Big Fact correction: QB winz aren’t real and they are dumb to boot...

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

2019 Schedule:

@New Orleans (looking for revenge)
@New England
@Chicago (in the winter)
@Detroit

vs Green Bay
vs LA Rams

There's a damn good chance this guy cannot keep up with the firepower coming at him/us in the 2019 season. He knows this and so does his agent. If I were in control I'd take the risk that the '19 season humbles him a bit, his stock drops and we get him for a cheaper price after this season.

Uh...his OL is deep, he has weapons everywhere (wrs/rbs/good young te's), why can't he keep up offensively? Unless you think Moore's playcalling won't cut it. His defense too should be better than last years.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I did not even include the revamped Eagles in this argument. This is going to be a tough schedule to navigate. I'd make him do it before paying him. The chances of his stock dropping going against these opponents is higher IMO.

Do you have the same standards for Cooper & Zeke before paying them, or only Dak?

 

[viman96]

Remember as a rookie in the NFL, Dak went to Greenbay and beat an Aaron Rodgers led team. Dak went to Pittsburgh and beat a Big Ben Steelers led team. These are 2 QBs Tony Romo has never beaten on the road.

2008 Cowboys @ Greenbay, Boys win 27-16.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=280921009

 

[408Cowboy]

In 2106, teats milk you!
(In my best Yakov Smirnoff voice)

We gotta figure out how he got there then

 

[BigD_95]

2019 Schedule:

@New Orleans (looking for revenge)
@New England
@Chicago (in the winter)
@Detroit

vs Green Bay
vs LA Rams

There's a damn good chance this guy cannot keep up with the firepower coming at him/us in the 2019 season. He knows this and so does his agent. If I were in control I'd take the risk that the '19 season humbles him a bit, his stock drops and we get him for a cheaper price after this season.

I 100% agree - wait until next off-season. I mean if the guy already wants paid like a top QB whats it hurt waiting another year and then paying him like a top QB?

 

[lostar2009]

It's different if we had someone behind Dak. Recall post Aikman era. Anyone recall the 2015 season? We had several vets who couldn't win is a game !!!

 

[viman96]

I 100% agree - wait until next off-season. I mean if the guy already wants paid like a top QB whats it hurt waiting another year and then paying him like a top QB?

In your opinion how should they pay Dak if this season is just like last year? Not too long away people where complaining about paying Dak $20-$25M per. Now the likely range is somewhere around $28-$32M. Next year the range could be $32-$36M. No matter what people are going to complain.

 

[TexasHillbilly]

Yep

And if he lights it up exceeding our expectations then open up the checkbook.

So many would like to see him fail so they can say I told you so. I for one want him to succeed. Pay the man, just pay the man.

 

[Ranching]

It is not like he faced a tough schedule before.
Remember in 2106, even game was his big teat, he passed, so the next game, oh he will be welcomed to the NFL, he passed that test too.

I don't think he is concerned about the schedule nor has it any bearing on his contract.

And is the schedule really all that tough?

2106? Do you drive a Delorean? Lol!!

 

[G2]

This is nonsense. First, no one knows how good ANY team will be this early.
2nd, Prescott would make more money if he waited as the market value increases when older contracts get extended.

 

[bayeslife]

2019 Schedule:

@New Orleans (looking for revenge)
@New England
@Chicago (in the winter)
@Detroit

vs Green Bay
vs LA Rams

There's a damn good chance this guy cannot keep up with the firepower coming at him/us in the 2019 season. He knows this and so does his agent. If I were in control I'd take the risk that the '19 season humbles him a bit, his stock drops and we get him for a cheaper price after this season.

What does this have to do with his stock? He dragged this team to the playoffs last year.

 

[Typhus]

2019 Schedule:

@New Orleans (looking for revenge)
@New England
@Chicago (in the winter)
@Detroit

vs Green Bay
vs LA Rams

There's a damn good chance this guy cannot keep up with the firepower coming at him/us in the 2019 season. He knows this and so does his agent. If I were in control I'd take the risk that the '19 season humbles him a bit, his stock drops and we get him for a cheaper price after this season.

What is most humbling in this very polarizing debate on who gets payed is not that the Dallas Cowboys franchise did not draft well, Dak a 4th round gem/steal.
Zeke, 4th pick overall, can be argued forever, and sure it will be, but at the time of the pick, was a stud RB on talent alone,, but now we see his true immaturity,, so fans that opposed that pick at the time he was drafted, are the hard core value drafters, that say never invest that much capital in a RB when you have a probowl OL,,, yes, yes,, lets please let that drop. Zeke was drafted 4th overall, lets let history just be history, what this franchise has to do is figure who they are,,, Im not talking about the players,, Im talking about the front office.
Who are you?
What are you going to do now?
What really defines this franchise moving forward?
Do you pay starting franchise QB money like other teams in this league with sub par talent at the position just because they are starters in this league at the position?
Kirk Cousins, Mathew Stafford, Matty Ice, Derek Carr? All of those franchises gave up big guaranteed money for their hopeful franchise QB,,, Dak will get a contract like Russell Wilsons, and I didnt even include him in that peer group, because Dak hasnt passed the eye test to be compared to RW yet,, maybe he does but who knows at this point.
Thats all Im saying. All Im saying is why even rush it,, let the contracts play out its in the best interest of this franchise, cap wise, to just let this play out at this point.
Im looking at Cooper as the only must retain player at this point,, he immediately changed the entire passing offense, and cost a first.
Its priorities,, and this can be debated forever, but investing in average and red flags never has a good return.

 

[G2]

In 2018, Prescott didn't have to face a defense that was ranked in the Top 5 in passer rating. Three of 2019's opponents (Vikings, Bills, Bears) ranked in the Top 5 last year. Last year's rankings may have little to do with 2019, but just the law of averages says it's highly unlikely that Dak would go a second consecutive season without facing a Top 5 pass defense at least once.

Prescott's first three seasons
in 6 career games vs. Top 5 Pass Defenses:
110 of 192 (57%) 1155 yd (6.0 ypa) 6 td 6 int 72.3

vs. all other opponents during that time (44 games)
928 of 1382 (67%) 10474 yd (7.6 ypa) 66 td 21 int 99.2

Historically (and predictably), young QB struggle against elite pass defenses. (These numbers are not adjusted for era.)

Romo's first four seasons as a starter
in 9 career games vs. Top 5 Pass Defenses:
204 of 337 (59%) 2409 yd (7.1 ypa) 10 td 11 int 78.6

vs. all other opponents during that time (52 games)
1086 of 1706 (64%) 13572 yd (8.0 ypa) 102 td 46 int 97.0

That was LAST year.

 

[BigD_95]

You can't ask for 35 million if you've never threw for more than 4000 yds or 25 tds.

 

[BigD_95]

In your opinion how should they pay Dak if this season is just like last year? Not too long away people where complaining about paying Dak $20-$25M per. Now the likely range is somewhere around $28-$32M. Next year the range could be $32-$36M. No matter what people are going to complain.

Like a tier 2 QB at best - You can't ask for 35 million if you've never threw for more than 4000 yds or 25 tds.

 

[percyhoward]

That was LAST year.

What was?

 

[viman96]

Like a tier 2 QB at best - You can't ask for 35 million if you've never threw for more than 4000 yds or 25 tds.

So if Dak leads Cowboys to a 3rd NFCE title and throws for 3,999 yds and 24 tds then you do pay him the going rate? The pay scale will continue to climb. What if tier 2 floor is $35M? No matter what he signs for there will be a lot of people complaining.