How is Dak worth more than Nick Foles?

[atlantacowboy]

He's wants Rush to start.

Rush gives us an excellent chance to pick in the top 5 next year and secure a truly elite QB. We've seen the best of Dak and its not good enough.

 

[Nav22]

Nice cherry pick. Brandon Weeden completed 72.4% of his passes for us and lost his job. That pretty much squashes your argument. lol

Dak’s W/L record PLUS his stats absolutely thrashes your argument.

He wins and he puts up good numbers. He’ll soon be making over $30 mil/year and he’ll be our guy for years to come.

You’re done... but by all means, keep flailing!

 

[jnday]

It's been 6 years since Foles made the Pro Bowl his one and only time, and that is the only season Foles had as a good a year as any of Dak's first 3 seasons. Besides, if Pro Bowls are important to you, Dak has been on the team 2 of the last 3 years, and that would outdo Foles making it one time 6 years ago.

As for the Super Bowl, that is one game out of a 7 year career. Admittedly, Foles also played very well in the other 2 playoff games leading up to the Super Bowl, but even then you are talking about 3 games out of a 7 year career.

If you want to look at stats, It took Foles 7 years to accumulate the yardage and TDs Dak did in 3 years, and Dak has been better in virtually every other category (QR rating, completion %, TD%, INT% …)

In the end, Foles has mostly been a career back up who had one strong season early on, and had a dream playoff run 5 years later, and the rest of those 7 years hasn't amounted to much.

Foles time in Philly shows how good an average QB can look when surrounded by talent. I think he would be even better in Dallas where he would have the best RB in the league to take pressure off of him.

 

[jnday]

Dak’s W/L record PLUS his stats absolutely thrashes your argument.

He wins and he puts up good numbers. He’ll soon be making over $30 mil/year and he’ll be our guy for years to come.

You’re done... but by all means, keep flailing!

Dak doesn’t have a W/L record. The Cowboys team is responsible for the wins and loses. Any average QB would look as good as Dak, if not better, when surrounded with the talent that is on the Cowboys now. Dak was the 18th rated QB for most of last season and he struggled to pass over 200 yards a game.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

It pains me to say so, but Foles achieved all that with a superior coaching staff and supporting cast in Philly. He's going to have neither in Jacksonville and I think they will regret the money they just threw at him.

Let's face it, that 2017 Eagles team was loaded and it would have cruised to the title whether their QB was Wentz, Foles, Dak, or an un-retired McNabb.

Could Dak have hung 41 on Belichick?

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

This Pro Bowl argument is silly. Foles made the Pro-Bowl one time in his 7 year career, and that was 6 years ago. If Pro Bowls matter, Dak has the upper hand because he has been to 2 in the last 3 years, and it doesn't require relying on ancient history to find them.

And the Super Bowl was big for Foles, no doubt, but it was one game out of a 7 year career, and the playoff run was 3 games out of a 7 year career.

How much does it really make sense to say 1 season 6 years ago and 3 games 2 years ago define who he is, and the other 80% of his career doesn't apply?

The other 80%, 50% of it he wasn’t allowed to start, and 20% of his remaining 30% was under the QB career destroyer, Jeff Fisher.

Read this in Jon Gruden’s voice: “Percentile!? We should be talkin’ football, and instead you’re out here with Percentiles?”

 

[Nav22]

Dak doesn’t have a W/L record. The Cowboys team is responsible for the wins and loses. Any average QB would look as good as Dak, if not better, when surrounded with the talent that is on the Cowboys now. Dak was the 18th rated QB for most of last season and he struggled to pass over 200 yards a game.

So what would the Cowboys record be in 2019 if Dak misses the season? What record would Cooper Rush lead us to?

Pssst... Dak DOES have a W/L record. QB records are kept for a reason. There’s a reason the QBs with the most wins are typically among the very best in NFL history.

LOL “any average QB”, that’s cute... do you mean average starting QB? So 10-20 range? Or are you so dense that you think any NFL QB, even scrubs like Nathan Peterman, could go 32-16 with this “amazing supporting cast”?

 

[Wood]

Nick Foles signed a 4 year, $88,000,000 contract with the Jacksonville Jaguars, including a $25,000,000 signing bonus, $50,125,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $22,000,000. In 2019, Foles will earn a base salary of $5,000,000, a signing bonus of $25,000,000, a roster bonus of $500,000 and a workout bonus of $250,000, while carrying a cap hit of $12,000,000 and a dead cap value of $45,125,000.

Foles won the Super Bowl and has made the Pro Bowl. Dark isn't worth more than Foles.

Its why entire situation is out of control. Best thing Jones can do is hold off on all contracts until off-season. Let the triplets prove they are all top 5 at their position.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

I love Dak but he’s an average NFL QB.

The fact we are offering top 5 money is crazy. The fact he isn’t taking top 5 money is crazier.

LLLOOOLLL

 

[Red Dragon]

It beats me how, within the Cowboys fan-universe, winning Super Bowls is THE metric to judge a quarterback by ("Staubach, Aikman won Lombardis, did Romo? did Dak?") but somehow, when it comes to another team's quarterback (Foles,) suddenly "He was average until he won a Super Bowl, and even then it was just one Super Bowl."

Come on. I know we hate the Eagles, but this is a double standard.

 

[kskboys]

Foles time in Philly shows how good an average QB can look when surrounded by talent. I think he would be even better in Dallas where he would have the best RB in the league to take pressure off of him.

Until the playoffs, Foles pretty much blew in 17. 79.5 QBR and average under 80YPG passing. That was in 7 games and one might have been only part of a game, BTW, but he still pretty much blew.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Nick Foles signed a 4 year, $88,000,000 contract with the Jacksonville Jaguars, including a $25,000,000 signing bonus, $50,125,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $22,000,000. In 2019, Foles will earn a base salary of $5,000,000, a signing bonus of $25,000,000, a roster bonus of $500,000 and a workout bonus of $250,000, while carrying a cap hit of $12,000,000 and a dead cap value of $45,125,000.

Foles won the Super Bowl and has made the Pro Bowl. Dark isn't worth more than Foles.

Who is Dark?

 

[Captain-Crash]

Foles won the big games.
Zeke has the W/L.

Dak breaks from fear when pressured. Other than that, he a pretty good average QB. No way I'd be paying an average QB top 5 pay. Oh well, I support him, but he's average around 17-18

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Rush gives us an excellent chance to pick in the top 5 next year and secure a truly elite QB. We've seen the best of Dak and its not good enough.

lol, So Dak's 71.6% completion rate (since Cooper) not good enough.

 

[atlantacowboy]

lol, So Dak's 71.6% completion rate (since Cooper) not good enough.

It wasn't good enough for Brandon Weeden to keep his job. Why suddenly is completion % such a great measuring stick?

 

[CATCH17]

It beats me how, within the Cowboys fan-universe, winning Super Bowls is THE metric to judge a quarterback by ("Staubach, Aikman won Lombardis, did Romo? did Dak?") but somehow, when it comes to another team's quarterback (Foles,) suddenly "He was average until he won a Super Bowl, and even then it was just one Super Bowl."

Come on. I know we hate the Eagles, but this is a double standard.

What do you mean?

Foles isn't a very good QB.

His career proves that.

 

[blueblood70]

First of all, you have it wrong. It's not 30 and 17, those are the contract offers that each player has refused. So whatever those numbers are, it sounds to me like they are going to be 30 and 17 if they are truthful about not signing and we want a deal. I mean, this isn't about who's better or whatever. This is about the facts of how things work. Dak is the most important player and he gets done before anybody else, he gets paid more, he is the most important. Cooper gets done because he's in his last year and you definitely don't want to get him into FA where you have to bid for his services. We will end up paying a fortune for him. Zeke is last on the totem pole so to me, it really sounds like it's Zeke who is left in the cold by demanding a contract this year.

You don't have to believe this but that's how I see it. I mean, it only makes sense. Seems like everybody doesn't get the dynamics involved. The more you have to put out, the more critical it is to get done and the easier it is to push out the smaller dollar value. Cowboys have to address Dak and Cooper. They are hitting FA . Zeke is going to either accept what the Cowboys offer this year or sit and wait. I think that's whats going to happen and it has nothing to do with who is more productive.

exactly if they refused that IMO they are GONE.. they arent even worth it regardless of how you think YOU SEE it or how it works..MARKET is not set for players OUTSIDE THE TOP 10 AT THEOIR PSOTION, THAT IS RESERVED FOR ELITE TOP 5 PLAYERS AND IF THEY TURNED DOWN TOSE ALREADY HIGH OFFERS..

I say let them ride , better start drafting because Zeke is the ONLY ONE that deserves top pay, he earned it and will continue to earn it, the others have bloated egos on how they fall just because of postion market but once again MARKET set is for NOW ELITE top 5 players, if you are outside that and get a top 5 pay offer , what the flip is the issue? its player agent issue is what it is and Id rather use them all up then and restock NOW..

If you think Dak just because hes starting QB in this league is worth MARKET top pay ie over 30 with the big boys , you are mistaken..very delusional because all dak has done is been solid above average QB and Amari played 9 games with us and got 2nd chance here but still is so far from top 5 hes also delusional like you that are being brainwashed by the term MARKET.. no not all starters get top 5 market money and deserve to be new market setters just because some teams made that mistake already.. in my eyes you earn it on the field, not by postential and no way no how does dak and Amari deserve more then 30 and 17 SORRY its not how it works or all 32 starting qbs and all 2nd tier WRs outside the top 10 would get new market setting money and the Cap would be like the MLB and NBA and thats not how it works..

i dont care about +YOUR totem pole but if you cant see the facts and stats in front of you is this repeated over and over ZEKE has been #1 in all categories since 2016 except rushing tds and hes 2 has 2 rushing titles could have had 3 in row, is not a receiving threat, and is not injury prone plays nearly every down and is YOUNG 25 even for a RB ..

therefore hes the exception to the RB rule given you pay him NOW its why the blinded fans upset about 2yrs left and hes already paid enough and hes RB doesnt apply.. pay him now, thats 4 years at 14.7 and guarantee 3, he has every chance to play at the same level for 3-4 more years as he has now..So YES hes earned being a market setter regardless of Position and current contract terms ..If im running business my star employee performing at high level and arguable best in the entire corporation will be the highest paid give what he can offer for 3-4 years and basically earn the past and future money hes demanding..Im not paying my 2nd tier , very good employees MORE just because they look around other corporations who are paying more to their employees..

the issue is with Dak and Amari and hen those wake u and realize how rediculous it is that they would not accept the current offers at near 30 and 17 it means they have bloated unrealistic views of who they are right at the moment..i get it but i dont agree i realize we will be stuck choosing between Amari and Dak limited with FT rules and if both are not signed before march 2020 they are RFAs or FAs and then we might be in pickle but that cant be Zekes problem..

Sory you wont convince me that we have to sign Dak and Amari to their ridiculous demands as they want to be paid way more then they are actually worth..Id rather roll with Zeke plus them 2 for one full year and choose to let Amari Go and Keep Dak/Amari under brand new shiny contract if they earned it , if niether does let one walk FT the other and at least you only have to replace one..

Im done debating i have my opionion and thats where we are at, ive seen teams win SBs with great d great RB and average QBs , it can work either way..not buying into a great RB never wins SBs when ive seen it just because they didnt have the RT or the Money they were still great, i mean Rothelsburger wasnt the reason they won that first SB, it was Jerome Bettis, I saw Lagerette Blount on 2 SB teams?, Marshawn Lynch, Barber with the NYG, Sproles? didnt Fournette and great D cover up Bortles 2 yrs ago to get very close to a SB?...reality's , we are more like that team with Dak and Amari , set up with Zeke as the center piece, we are not NE with TB or the Saints, who got ronbbed ,but they have 2 really good Rbs both could be like zeke if they used them like Zeke but umm they have a HOF QB and a better coach but RB not important and not needed for SB appearences or wins is bad narrative.

the real statement is this,

Teams low ball really good to great RBs monetarily and use RBBC at times but they still have to have very productive Rb1 and some accents to make it work, TEAMSNEED GREAT RBS BUT ON THE CHEAP, NOT AVERAGE RBS TO WIN..Issues are QB sare taking some huge chunk most teams are forced to low ball RBs but they are not devalued as far as their importance on team, they are simply being used up and cut and Zekes putting his Elite FOOT down..hes not havig that happen to him, i dont blame him..

 

[Blake]

Foles won the big games.
Zeke has the W/L.

Dak breaks from fear when pressured. Other than that, he a pretty good average QB. No way I'd be paying an average QB top 5 pay. Oh well, I support him, but he's average around 17-18

Dak "breaking from fear" when pressured.

 

[blueblood70]

What do you mean?

Foles isn't a very good QB.

His career proves that.

wrong he hasn't been a very good QB in certain systems, but in Philly hes been elite both stops and I believe the coach or OC in Jacksonville is running phillys system are they not? they will tailor the system to Nick and use Fournette and that D to have a bounce back post bortles IMO..

Yes just any team Foles been average at best but for whatever reason hes got magic with Philly Offensive scheme that Jaguars will be running with quality Back and Defense.. he just might surprise you/us..

 

[CATCH17]

wrong he hasn't been a very good QB in certain systems, but in Philly hes been elite both stops and I believe the coach or OC in Jacksonville is running phillys system are they not? they will tailor the system to Nick and use Fournette and that D to have a bounce back post bortles IMO..

Yes just any team Foles been average at best but for whatever reason hes got magic with Philly Offensive scheme that Jaguars will be running with quality Back and Defense.. he just might surprise you/us..

He's had some stretches but so have guys like Ryan Fitzpatrick.

QB is about consistency and Foles isn't very good at being consistent because eventually he gets exposed.