Dak and Zeke dont care about championships

[CouchCoach]

it's not like they're the first players to ever do this. also, dak is at least in camp. zeke is in cabo. wonder why.

QB's can't hold out, we've yet to see the first one do it. I doubt that any agent would ever suggest it.

Most players, like the JAX player, use it as leverage and Bryant even used it as a threat successfully.

I've asked this before and haven't received an answer. If this was you or your son, what would you do? Get your legs run off for 3M while the QB makes 10x as much and the WR 5x and you are the best skill player on the offense?

 

[erod]

I think that Martin is the best player on the team and they made him the top G when they did his deal. The question is do they feel Elliott is the best RB and how necessary is he to the success of this offense and a brand new OC?

Of the 3 players, which position is the easiest to replace but the $ have to be considered. 40M for Prescott makes 15M for Elliott look like a hell of a deal and 17M for Cooper as well because I believe both of those players are better than Prescott as their position and are going to continue to get better.

If Prescott is really asking for 40M, that's not money talking, that's ego and he might think he's better than Wentz but he couldn't carry Wilson's jockstrap. But he's looking at Wilson's deal, did he care about a team friendly deal and other players? Does he care more about the coin or the championship? And I would let him find out what he's worth this off season, any team paying him 40M is some new kind of dumb. 35M and they're just stupid.

What player does a team friendly deal? Brady? That was a "keep him in NE and get the backup outtahere deal" and Kraft pretty much confirmed it.

I get putty's point but that was then and this is now and the game shifted to a hired gun mentality until that 2nd contract is done. That's what they all play for and their agent reminds them of that every time they talk.

Elliott is the hardest to replace because he's the sole focus of every defensive coordinator Dallas faces. He IS the offense.

Martin is not as good as Zeke. Much better dude, but not the player Zeke is. I don't think any back is. I see him more as a play maker than a running back. Irreplaceable in this offense. Too bad he's such a knucklehead.

The fact is, Dallas owns Dak for four years outright. The only negative for the Cowboys is that they couldn't use that tag on Amari, who wants to test the market.

Brady's wife makes more than $40 million a year, so that's a different situation for sure. And he just wants to stack up as many Super Bowls as possible for his legacy. He would probably play for free at this point.

 

[CouchCoach]

Elliott is the hardest to replace because he's the sole focus of every defensive coordinator Dallas faces. He IS the offense.

Martin is not as good as Zeke. Much better dude, but not the player Zeke is. I don't think any back is. I see him more as a play maker than a running back. Irreplaceable in this offense. Too bad he's such a knucklehead.

The fact is, Dallas owns Dak for four years outright. The only negative for the Cowboys is that they couldn't use that tag on Amari, who wants to test the market.

Brady's wife makes more than $40 million a year, so that's a different situation for sure. And he just wants to stack up as many Super Bowls as possible for his legacy. He would probably play for free at this point.

They do not own the QB for 4 years, they can only tag him twice after this season.

I'll take Martin over a RB that scores 6 rushing TD's and has 6 fumbles.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It's more popular than ever because it was never popular to begin with. It's regular season ratings are beaten by EPL soccer.

A league should not be run by the players, and these recent moves are the beginning of the end of the league.

Do people watch Carolina versus Green Bay in the NFL? Do they watch New Orleans versus Atlanta? Do they watch Cleveland versus Washington?

You bet they do. In droves. It dominates the ratings. Huge viewership despite the smaller markets.

Now, do people watch Charlotte versus Milwaukee in the NBA? Do they watch New Orleans versus Atlanta? Do they watch Cleveland versus Washington?

No. QVC and PBS get better ratings.

The NBA is second-rate garbage.

You're trying to change the argument. No one argued the NBA was as popular as the NFL. Not one person. You said its not popular and you are flat out WRONG. Admit it and we can move on. You're comparing a 17 week schedule to a 82 game season in regards to popularity. NBA is the best its been in a LONG TIME. I'm not gonna do the research for you you google whatever you have to.

 

[DallasEast]

For the fans, it's about championships. For the players, it's about generational wealth. Championships are way down the list.

I think we would all be shocked about how many NFLer's actually don't like playing at all. They do it just for the money. It's not like David Irving was the only one.

I believe it is a mixture of several reasons. In my opinion, most players love playing the sport and the achievements (e.g. championships) that come with it. That said, I think you are 100% correct that gaining once-in-a-lifetime wealth is a huge part of practically all players' motivation.

It would not surprise me that most players their roles play a larger part in successful outcomes than their contractual demands will erode surrounding talent. They feel they are the difference makers and the extra cash paid to them are worthy investments.

 

[erod]

You're trying to change the argument. No one argued the NBA was as popular as the NFL. Not one person. You said its not popular and you are flat out WRONG. Admit it and we can move on. You're comparing a 17 week schedule to a 82 game season in regards to popularity. NBA is the best its been in a LONG TIME. I'm not gonna do the research for you you google whatever you have to.

But it's just not "popular." More than it was 10 years ago, maybe. But the ratings are dreadful. We're talking about the skinniest kid at fat camp here.

It's popular among a teeny tiny group of people.

In 10 years, soccer will be the number 2 sport in this country. In fact, it might number 1 if concussion fears and legal challenges kill the NFL and college football. Youth football is drying up in the DFW area. Some parts of the country are considering eliminating high school football from school systems.

 

[lukin2006]

I would not sign Zeke. Trade him to Buffalo or Cincy. As for Dak a penny over 20 million is about all I'd give him...

I'm all in on Cooper...to my knowledge he just comes to work and does his job...

 

[waldoputty]

It’s their career first. I’m sure you haven’t taken a pay cut at your job hoping the company succeeds more bc of it

it is their career first, true.
but the offer is still top-5 player type dollars.
it is not as if they are offering brady-type deals.

 

[waldoputty]

With respect, why should they? Jerry sure as Hell doesn't...

it is their legacy.
if they dont care, then that was the point of the OP

 

[waldoputty]

Umm, because every damn year the cap rises?

Since the implementation of the cap in 1994 we've gone from 35 mill to 188 mill. Beginning in 2013, we've seen increases of 10 mill a year every single year.

The TV contacts won't expire for another two years. When they do, networks will be falling over themselves to bid on those deal. Look no further than Fox's TH night contacts - even at a time when ratings were falling Fox's bid still involved a 33% increase over the previous contract. For TH night football ... which rarely gets good games.

is it correct that this is the 1st time tv ratings are significantly down compared to before?

 

[waldoputty]

oh lord. this again?
you would do the same thing if it were you. it's easy to say you wouldn't from your position, eating cheetos on the couch...but, you more than like would if in the actual spot these guys are in...like 95% of players do.

no actually i would not.
difference between 100 million and 80 million is not significant
they call that diminishing marginal utility

 

[waldoputty]

I think that Martin is the best player on the team and they made him the top G when they did his deal. The question is do they feel Elliott is the best RB and how necessary is he to the success of this offense and a brand new OC?

Of the 3 players, which position is the easiest to replace but the $ have to be considered. 40M for Prescott makes 15M for Elliott look like a hell of a deal and 17M for Cooper as well because I believe both of those players are better than Prescott as their position and are going to continue to get better.

If Prescott is really asking for 40M, that's not money talking, that's ego and he might think he's better than Wentz but he couldn't carry Wilson's jockstrap. But he's looking at Wilson's deal, did he care about a team friendly deal and other players? Does he care more about the coin or the championship? And I would let him find out what he's worth this off season, any team paying him 40M is some new kind of dumb. 35M and they're just stupid.

What player does a team friendly deal? Brady? That was a "keep him in NE and get the backup outtahere deal" and Kraft pretty much confirmed it.

I get putty's point but that was then and this is now and the game shifted to a hired gun mentality until that 2nd contract is done. That's what they all play for and their agent reminds them of that every time they talk.

if it is just a business for everyone then the solution is simple
use franchise tag on dak after this year
let zeke sit out first 10 games and be ready for the same next year
sign cooper even if you have to set the market
draft rb and qb next year at 1st and 2nd
trade zeke if someone will offer a 1st plus package for him

 

[morat1959]

What bothers all of us is their contract demands tell us about their desire for a championship, or lack thereof.
They just want to grab every dollar even though they know there is a cap limit.
They know their demands really hurt the chances of a championship because there is a limit to what tricks can be played with the cap.

Plays right in line with our front office.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

I think its safe to say that all these punks care about is money. Here is one fan that hopes the owners put them in their place during the next agreement. I would welcome a shut down if it meant these stupid salaries cease.

My God. Who is advising you? So the growth in revenue is good...but players salaries should remain the same? Jerry, is that you?

 

[CowboyRoy]

My God. Who is advising you? So the growth in revenue is good...but players salaries should remain the same? Jerry, is that you?

Why do you care what players make?

Same? Falsifying what someone says is a bad way to start a conversation.

 

[iceberg]

QB's can't hold out, we've yet to see the first one do it. I doubt that any agent would ever suggest it.

Most players, like the JAX player, use it as leverage and Bryant even used it as a threat successfully.

I've asked this before and haven't received an answer. If this was you or your son, what would you do? Get your legs run off for 3M while the QB makes 10x as much and the WR 5x and you are the best skill player on the offense?

i'd not go, or suggest my son not go, to cabo during his dispute.

 

[JoeKing]

Dak and Zeke are not in the same boat. Dak cared enough to show up to training camp. I think it's just Zeke that doesn't care about anything but Zeke.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Why do you care what players make?

Same? Falsifying what someone says is a bad way to start a conversation.

Seems like YOU are the one that cares! YOU called their salaries stupid and YOU said the owners should lock them out.

 

[aikemirv]

They both are being greedy by demanding top position pay, and we all know it. Enough with coddling them, making excuses for them or blaming the owners. This team of talent can not continue to stay intact if ownership goes on paying each top talent as the highest in the league according to their position. We all know this to be true. It takes a team of talent to yearly make the playoffs and make some noise once there, and the only way that is going to happen is if the top talent is willing to sacrifice a little in order to pitch in in order to afford to keep a bigger core of talent together for as long as possible. This won't be possible if the top talent is suddenly seeking top league position pay. We all know it.

Zeke is being greedy by asking too early. Dak is being greedy by asking for more than he can bring to the team in value!

 

[CouchCoach]

if it is just a business for everyone then the solution is simple
use franchise tag on dak after this year
let zeke sit out first 10 games and be ready for the same next year
sign cooper even if you have to set the market
draft rb and qb next year at 1st and 2nd
trade zeke if someone will offer a 1st plus package for him

Sign me up, buttercup. That might push the window a few years in the future but I'd be OK with that.

However, the fly in the ointment in that plan is not the players, it's whether they keep the HC or not. That's the spin point in all of this to me.

The fact that they've offered top 5 to all 3 signals me they're keeping the HC. If they had some backroom deal with Payton, they'd make the QB play out his contract and have Payton involved in the selection of the next QB.