Dak and Zeke dont care about championships

Tussinman

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I'd say the opposite. Zeke is a very good player, but Martin is a freak. Arguments could be made that he's the best player in the NFL.
Zack Martin at retirement could realistically be on 2 different all-decade teams and could be the 3rd interior 1st ballot HOF'er in almost half a century. I love Zeke and hopes he comes back but you cannot realistically say "oh yeah Zeke is for sure a better player than Martin"
 

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He struggled and still finished as the only guard in the NFL top 100 and made 1st team all-pro

You literally just proved my point, he's a generational freak. He is literally 5x better than his peers and can outplay them even injured
Yanda is as good or better.

He had some rough games last year. Simple as that.
 

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Yanda is as good or better.

He had some rough games last year. Simple as that.
Zack has had more NFL top 100 and more 1st team all-pro's in just his rookie contract as Yanda has had in a 12 year span........

Nobody starting a new team today would pick Yanda over Zack, even if they where both fresh rookie (it took Yanda 5 seasons just to make a pro-bowl, Martin made 1st team all-pro as a freaking rookie which hadn't been done at his position since the 1940s).

He had a rough year and still finished as #1 at his position........
Yanda is as good or better.
By your logic Barkley, Bell, and Gurley are just as good as Zeke. Let's see Zeke injured outplay all 3 of them (Martin can play injured and beat all of his peers)
 
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yes, they are already being offered top 5 salaries in their position.
if they cared about their legacy, they would care about what money is left for the players around them.
they also do not play defense.

On my job I couldn't care less what the guy dropping the fries makes, I want to make as much as I can.
 

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I might. I would much rather make 25-30 mil/year and be happy than make 35-40 mil/year and be miserable.

Not everyone is all about money and about being greedy.
I do agree with the concept more money doesn’t necessarily make you happy but if this example pertains to our QB I’m not sure how it relates?

Why would Dak be happy making 10 million less for same job?
 

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Yes, they are. You should do some research. Maxed out contracts keep teams from winning super bowls.

What's wrong w/ being unbelievably rich while winning championships? Why do you need 40 mil/season instead of 30 mil/season?


The odd thing is if a player has a 4 year NFL career he should be set for life from that? People actually believe this. Turning down 30 just seems like greed at this point, Specially when you don't deserve half that.
 

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It continues to amaze me how fans can’t grasp the concept of professional football business.

It’s not up to the players to take less money to benefit the teams ability to sign more talent. Totally absurd.

Everyone player attempt to maximize their worth.
 

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Who cares if your team can have more success if you accept to make 10 million less. Unbelievable!!

Fans are so focused on winning they ignore the individual aspect of professional sports.

We see time and time again with rare exception players leaving great teams for more money on crappy teams.
 

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Who cares if your team can have more success if you accept to make 10 million less. Unbelievable!!

Fans are so focused on winning they ignore the individual aspect of professional sports.

We see time and time again with rare exception players leaving great teams for more money on crappy teams.


That's all fine.. but on what planet should Dak be the highest paid QB? That's a joke and a great example of a player overvaluing his worth. And it's not the NFLs duty to make sure these guys never work another day in their life. lol Get what you can get, but at what point does that become greed? Never? Seems there's no end to it. These are fair offers on the table. They're not being short changed. If Zeke decided to show up you know Jerry would've taken care of him. The whole situation stinks. I'd rather they both sat home and made nothing at this point. Go work at chipotle. The NFL will survive without them..
 

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What bothers all of us is their contract demands tell us about their desire for a championship, or lack thereof.
They just want to grab every dollar even though they know there is a cap limit.
They know their demands really hurt the chances of a championship because there is a limit to what tricks can be played with the cap.

It's a business.

The problem is your basic prisoner's dilemma. They all want to win. They all want money. Whatever discount they might take to get a championship doesn't materially affect the likelihood of a championship, but it does affect them personally. So the play is to defect.

The only way taking a discount makes any sense would be for the top dollar guys to *jointly* bargain a discount for the team, so that the guys taking the discount actually get something for it when they do.

The Triplets. Dak, Zeke, and Cooper. They could do it together. See if Lawrence will take a haircut with them. It might even make sense for the players financially long term. Getting a ring opens up post football dollars.

That would have to come from the players, as the agents all want maximum contract dollar now, not maximum championships or post career marketability.

But I've never heard that happening ever. Or even a hint of anyone discussing the possibility of it happening ever. Not gonna happen.
 

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That's all fine.. but on what planet should Dak be the highest paid QB? That's a joke and a great example of a player overvaluing his worth. And it's not the NFLs duty to make sure these guys never work another day in their life. lol Get what you can get, but at what point does that become greed? Never? Seems there's no end to it. These are fair offers on the table. They're not being short changed. If Zeke decided to show up you know Jerry would've taken care of him. The whole situation stinks. I'd rather they both sat home and made nothing at this point. Go work at chipotle. The NFL will survive without them..

I totally agree Dak isn’t worth that but all the power to him if he can get it.

That’s all part of the business. Perhaps an aspect of the business fans don’t like. But why should we bash him for attempting to maximize his earnings?

Greed is the fuel of Capitalism.
 

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On my job I couldn't care less what the guy dropping the fries makes, I want to make as much as I can.

That philosophy is not only self centered, it's short sighted. A football team is not a one man team. If a QB, a WR and RB succeed in hogging well beyond their reasonable share of the salary cap, what happens when the quality of the OL deteriorates because the team is over paying those 3 self centered divas, and the QB starts spending more time on his back than on his feet, and maybe suffers serious injury and can't play anymore?
The team suffers, the fans suffer, and so do the three divas who thought nobody mattered but them.
 

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That philosophy is not only self centered, it's short sighted. A football team is not a one man team. If a QB, a WR and RB succeed in hogging well beyond their reasonable share of the salary cap, what happens when the quality of the OL deteriorates because the team is over paying those 3 self centered divas, and the QB starts spending more time on his back than on his feet, and maybe suffers serious injury and can't play anymore?
The team suffers, the fans suffer, and so do the three divas who thought nobody mattered but them.

Whose fault is it if that happens?

The owners wanted the salary cap, not the players. The owners decide what they're willing to spend on a guy, not the players.
 

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Whose fault is it if that happens?

The owners wanted the salary cap, not the players.
The owners decide what they're willing to spend on a guy, not the players.

Yeah right. Zeke has nothing to do with it, it's a mere coincidence that he happens to be hiding out in Cabo sitting on his rear end while his team mates are busting their rear ends in practice and the FO decides what they want to spend on him.

You know better than that Jake, ask the NE Patriots and Tom Brady. There are better and smarter ways than pure, unbridled greed. Compare their winning record to ours.
 
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That philosophy is not only self centered, it's short sighted. A football team is not a one man team. If a QB, a WR and RB succeed in hogging well beyond their reasonable share of the salary cap, what happens when the quality of the OL deteriorates because the team is over paying those 3 self centered divas, and the QB starts spending more time on his back than on his feet, and maybe suffers serious injury and can't play anymore?
The team suffers, the fans suffer, and so do the three divas who thought nobody mattered but them.
But that’s not the players concern. It’s the owners and front office concern to balance it financially.

While there is a team it’s every man for himself when it comes to contract negotiations.
 

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But that’s not the players concern. It’s the owners and front office concern to balance it financially.

While there is a team it’s every man for himself when it comes to contract negotiations.

Yup, everybody just pass the buck. Nobody accept the blame that belongs to both sides. Yes it IS the players concern, along with everyone else involved. BOTH sides are responsible for negotiating in good faith. Negotiating from a standpoint of greed alone is not negotiating in good faith.
 

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Yup, everybody just pass the buck. Nobody accept the blame that belongs to both sides. Yes it IS the players concern, along with everyone else involved. BOTH sides are responsible for negotiating in good faith. Negotiating from a standpoint of greed alone is not negotiating in good faith.
Please explain why it’s the players concern to balance the team’s budget?
 

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I do agree with the concept more money doesn’t necessarily make you happy but if this example pertains to our QB I’m not sure how it relates?

Why would Dak be happy making 10 million less for same job?
Super bowl chances rise dramatically.

It wouldn't make any difference to me personally, if I were Dak. My happiness and well being is not based on how many millions I can amass. I really feel sorry for anyone where this is the case.
 
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