Just a What If. 2016

[aaev84]

Romo with Zeke and the oline would have been absolutely ridiculous. Imagine defenses having to respect the pass fully while accounting for Zeke. No doubt in my mind Romo at least matches the year he had with Demarco Murray if not better. Barring the if game with injury of course.

 

[Risen Star]

There's no question Prescott cost this team a title in 2016. Romo wins it easily.

 

[Risen Star]

The first thing Richard can do is throw away his template and put Jourdan Lewis on the field.

It is disgraceful how little we've used him.

 

[HungryLion]

There's no question Prescott cost this team a title in 2016. Romo wins it easily.

Always nice to have the voice of reason come into the thread and let everyone know what’s what.

 

[DallasEast]

Why didn't Romo do in 2015 what you are saying he *could* have done in 2016?

The Dallas Cowboys didn't need Romo to save the day in 2016...they needed him to save the day in 2015. Dak had already saved the season in 2016. Dallas - as soon as Romo was inserted back into the lineup after being cleared - had an opportunity to make the playoffs, get a home game even, and then beat the Broncos in the SB. This is what Tony Romo is for right? I mean, Tony Romo couldn't possibly fail in such circumstances right?

So we have Tony Romo, slightly younger, experienced, all-world QB (with the leagues best OL and a dominant running game [yes Dallas running games averaged 4.6 yards per carry in 2015 vs 4.8 yards per carry in 2016], a younger Dez and Witten, etc.) that would slice up any defense the NFL dares to put in front of him - why didn't he QB Dallas to a Superbowl victory in 2015?

Why the focus on 2016? In 2015, he had the same opportunity *could of* had in 2016? Except in 2015, Tony Romo was REALLY needed. And of course, this says nothing about 2014, 13, 12, 11, 10, 09, 08, etc.

So why the focus on 2016 over 2015 or 2014?

 

[DFWJC]

How about this? Instead of dwelling on the 2016 season, which did not need saving, why don't we talk more about the 2015 season--you know, the ACTUAL season that needed a hero.

In 2015, all world Tony Romo had a chance go to the Superbowl with a dominant running game, dominant OL, younger Dez and Witten, same defense, and same coaching staff as in 2016. And, IMO, 2015 was set up far better for Romo than 2016 on account that the NFC East was flat out terrible.

What happened? Why didn't/couldn't all-world, experienced, much better QB than Dak could ever dream to be, Romo save the day in 2015?

And then after discussing the 2015 season, we can talk about the 2014, 13, 12, 11 etc seasons next.

You’re obsession with the 2015 team in framing Romo as a failure is off on so many levels.

Just for starters, beside the fact that broke his collarbone and came back so soon it broke again is only the beginning
Dallas was 3-1 with Romo
Dallas was 1-11 without Romo

In other words, it was the broken collarbone that stopped us.

Furthermore, that 2015 didn’t have Dez for awhile and Zeke hadn’t arrived yet, and Murray was in Philly.
2016 was a far better team and opportunity

Looking forward
Go Dak, Go Cowboys

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Marinelli got pantsed in our last two playoff losses. Coaches matter.

And he got pantsed by the Packers in the second half of the 2014 game. He's been pantsed in all 3 of our latest playoff losses.

 

[Beast_from_East]

We can play the "What If" game all day long...………..but its pointless.

Maybe Romo beats the Packers, maybe he doesn't...………..what is done is done and nothing is going to change it, so its a moot point now.

 

[TheSkaven]

@TwoDeep3 as others on this thread have already written, Dak was NOT the reason that the Cowboys lost that game to the Packers. If anything, he carries the team on his back.

Dak threw for more than 300 yards in that game, 3 touchdowns, 132 of those yards to Dez Bryant. That game was lost by the defense.

What especially hurt was that Dak brought the team back several times. They were down 28-20 when threw a TD to Dez then ran it in himself for the two point conversion. Then he drove them again for the tying field goal and left less than a minute on the clock.

When I dial back my emotions to how I felt during that game, you just knew that the last team with the ball in their hands was going to win. It’s incredible, but 58 seconds was indeed too much time to leave on the clock.

But the defense blew that game. Romo at quarterback would not have changed the outcome. If anything, they might have lost worse and hurt Dak’s confidence in a way that could have lost the team and turned them against the coach.

 

[TwoDeep3]

@TwoDeep3 as others on this thread have already written, Dak was NOT the reason that the Cowboys lost that game to the Packers. If anything, he carries the team on his back.

Dak threw for more than 300 yards in that game, 3 touchdowns, 132 of those yards to Dez Bryant. That game was lost by the defense.

What especially hurt was that Dak brought the team back several times. They were down 28-20 when threw a TD to Dez then ran it in himself for the two point conversion. Then he drove them again for the tying field goal and left less than a minute on the clock.

When I dial back my emotions to how I felt during that game, you just knew that the last team with the ball in their hands was going to win. It’s incredible, but 58 seconds was indeed too much time to leave on the clock.

But the defense blew that game. Romo at quarterback would not have changed the outcome. If anything, they might have lost worse and hurt Dak’s confidence in a way that could have lost the team and turned them against the coach.

Did you or any one else who have advised me on who lost the game see me say Dak lost the game? No, because I didn't say that,

I believe the most profound reply to my post was the one which brought up Willis Reed. That was my point.

Kirk Gibson was another way to put this.

This is not about Dak losing. This is about a team that rallies around the grey beard who has his last shot at winning it all, and a team finding the perfect storm to do so.

My belief is Romo was at his height as far as reading defenses and making all the throws. Even with Murray, Romo did not have a running back at the level of Zeke. The defense argument has been the mainstay on this board since the mid 90's. It assumes something which is not fact. It only takes looking back at games where the offense had the ball last and went on a championship drive to score enough to overtake the other team to see that sometimes offenses win the day.

As far as the bolded part, I absolutely disagree with this. Dak is too confident to allow the team to go to their veteran QB during his rookie season to try and win it all. I just think he is far too mentally tough for that to happen.

Second, turning against the coach may have been a silver lining if they did ultimately win.

Last, whatever Dak did against Green Bay, or what Romo had done in the past has no bearing on what might have happened with Romo. All things are not equal and results do not follow historical data always.

Thank you for your replies.

 

[Melonfeud]

I am wanting the opinions of the fans here on this. I know the season is coming, and what if is a stupid game. But I have changed my opinion about a piece of history in 2016 and wish to see if I am alone.

So,

What if:

In the last game against the Eagles in regular season what would the results have been if Jerry stepped in and advised Dak he has a future, but this is Tony's team, win, lose, or draw for the rest of this season.

1. Would the team (players) have accepted that?

2. They were already going to the play-offs. How would they have fared with a healthy Romo dropping dimes on his receivers and Zeke tearing the league a new rear end?

I was in favor of keeping Dak under center. You don't break a streak.

But upon reflection, I can't help thinking, Tony, knowing this was his swan song, and his ability to recognize the defenses and exploit them, he would have gotten the team - past those butt ugly Packers - to the NFC Championship game and taken the Cowboys to the Super Bowl.

I just see this moment in time, where the stars aligned, and Jones and The Red Headed cheerleader made the wrong move.

I think Tony would have handed the Patriots their butt in the first half, and then dissected them in the second to win it all.

Opinions?

* congratulations my like minded fellow brethren, as yer' O.P./Threads posting timeline, undoubtedly preempt's a responding post I'd made to our forum fellow of regarded esteem @OmerV this very past afternoon,,, er,,, and this is my initial foray into yer'thread ,right here at the present, TD3

*and you better stop reading my mind's seething , yet, unformulated to expression forum thoughts on any & all subject matter, ,,,er,,, for that matter as well,cuz' as it's a point I"ve been thinking about making that's never been questioned as of yet,,,fair warning has thusly been rendered, Friend,,, act accordingly



lmao,,, as some of FOOTBALL DaD kinda' creeped on in ,while I was dwelling in the grey spirit zone of relayed conversation

 

[buybuydandavis]

And he got pantsed by the Packers in the second half of the 2014 game. He's been pantsed in all 3 of our latest playoff losses.

I'll cut him slack for 2014. We had no dline. Go look at who was getting snaps in that game. It was sad.

 

[Starforever]

What would've happened, if Jackie Smith caught the TD pass from Staubach? That is more intriguing.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I'll cut him slack for 2014. We had no dline. Go look at who was getting snaps in that game. It was sad.

Fair enough. But definitely the last 2, he got destroyed.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Wow! Hahahaha!!!!! Well done!! Seriously, well done!

 

[buybuydandavis]

Fair enough. But definitely the last 2, he got destroyed.

Marinelli was more culpable than anyone for both losses.

This is what's been hard watching the Cowboys for the last 15 years. Watching the success of the players being held back by the failure of the coaches.

 

[starfan1]

Romo with Zeke and the oline would have been absolutely ridiculous. Imagine defenses having to respect the pass fully while accounting for Zeke. No doubt in my mind Romo at least matches the year he had with Demarco Murray if not better. Barring the if game with injury of course.

Yep that achieved less than last year

 

[BLEU3ASY]

Whenever Romo got hit in ANY game was his last time getting hit.. You can't play "what if" when you already know what the outcome is going to be!! His body called it quits, thats football and I loved everything about him. In the NFL quarterbacks are going to get hit especially the way Romo played the game.. He got hurt 3 plays in a preseason game, he wasn't going to make it.. ijs...

 

[Sevenup3000]

You’re obsession with the 2015 team in framing Romo as a failure is off on so many levels.

Just for starters, beside the fact that broke his collarbone and came back so soon it broke again is only the beginning
Dallas was 3-1 with Romo
Dallas was 1-11 without Romo

In other words, it was the broken collarbone that stopped us.

Furthermore, that 2015 didn’t have Dez for awhile and Zeke hadn’t arrived yet, and Murray was in Philly.
2016 was a far better team and opportunity

Looking forward
Go Dak, Go Cowboys

Perfect. So almost immediately after Tony Romo was cleared in 2015- he injured himself AGAIN. All because he came back too soon.

Great. You answered the first question: Romo did not get "his job" back in 2016 after being cleared to play because -- maybe-- the Cowboys were concerned that Romo was being rushed back like 2015. Best to keep Romo on the bench all season, if necessary, and not rush him back so that he doesn't re-injure himself again.

And given the success of the 2016 team, there was no need to risk Tony's health - unlike 2015.

In addition, nobody is blaming Romo for being injured. But in order to save the day, you do have to be available- unfortunately, for the 2015 season.

Okay? And Dez also missed a number of games in 2016 too - and 2015 Dez could have came back to play the last 3 or 2 games however, the Cowboys were either eliminated or on the brink of elimination from playoff contention so they shut Bryant down for the season.

And finally: Dallas running game 2015: 4.6 yards per rush (5th in NFL); Dallas running game 2016: 4.8 yards per rush (3rd in NFL). I really don't think 0.2 yards per rush better makes one team all that much more primed for success than the other.

 

[DFWJC]

Perfect. So almost immediately after Tony Romo was cleared in 2015- he injured himself AGAIN. All because he came back too soon.

Great. You answered the first question: Romo did not get "his job" back in 2016 after being cleared to play because -- maybe-- the Cowboys were concerned that Romo was being rushed back like 2015. Best to keep Romo on the bench all season, if necessary, and not rush him back so that he doesn't re-injure himself again.

And given the success of the 2016 team, there was no need to risk Tony's health - unlike 2015.

In addition, nobody is blaming Romo for being injured. But in order to save the day, you do have to be available- unfortunately, for the 2015 season.

Okay? And Dez also missed a number of games in 2016 too - and 2015 Dez could have came back to play the last 3 or 2 games however, the Cowboys were either eliminated or on the brink of elimination from playoff contention so they shut Bryant down for the season.

And finally: Dallas running game 2015: 4.6 yards per rush (5th in NFL); Dallas running game 2016: 4.8 yards per rush (3rd in NFL). I really don't think 0.2 yards per rush better makes one team all that much more primed for success than the other.

Romo had WAY more time to heal in 2016. He was fully ready by week 12 o 13. Thats 13-14 weeks, not 7.
No rushing at all.

The reason they didn't bring him back in 2016 was because the team was on a huge roll and they didn't want to mess with it.

I get why they did what they did and was not one of the fans conplaining about it.
Do I think they had a better chance with him?
Yes, absolutely.

But I understand why they did what they did.
Moved on