Dak and Zeke dont care about championships

[Diehardblues]

Absolutely, that's what I am.

However, my point remains. Insisting on maxing out your contract and wanting to win championships do not go together.

A person can easily retire on around 4 mil. So, for the love of all things holy, please don't dredge up the "need as much as possible to live the rest of his life on". It doesn't take 100 million.

While I appreciate the honesty and respect your stance it’s unreasonable IMO to expect players to take less. Unbelievable you’d expect a player to retire on 4 million when they could with 100 million. Lol

It isn’t a players responsibility to manage the cap. That’s the mgmt job and their tough decisions. And if you’re siding with mgmt that’s fine but not respecting or at least realizing a player attempting to optimize his value is short sighted or small minded in the larger picture with the business of the league. If you don’t like the business of the league, that’s fine.

The players must act in their best interest much like the ownership will act in their best interest. Negotiating should be respected on both sides. Our ownership and mgmt acknowledge and respect the business of the league . Not sure why fans don’t respect it even if you don’t like?

 

[Diehardblues]

It’s true that attempting to maximize contracts and winning championships don’t often align. But that’s not the players responsibility. That’s the mgmt job.

Its why the Cap usually breaks up championship caliber teams. Those tough decisions must be made.

They all don’t need to be made this season though. Only one . The one who’s holding out. The others can actually be put off until next year.

Most analysts including some popular former Cowboys like the Moose last night think this current team can contend for a championship this year. “ one of the most talented Cowboy teams since the 90’s. Have enough talent in key positions and depth to make a run”.

But even the Cowboys greatest Homer , Michael Irvin , doesn’t think they can do it without Elliott this year.

 

[Ranched]

Romo didn't take a paycut for the team too, but didn't get half the threads Daks getting.

Because he had his own, PINNED, on TOP!

 

[BlueStar22]

People love to invoke real world situations for pro sports and be the same people not taking a company friendly salary/raise lol.

 

[kskboys]

While I appreciate the honesty and respect your stance it’s unreasonable IMO to expect players to take less. Unbelievable you’d expect a player to retire on 4 million when they could with 100 million. Lol

It isn’t a players responsibility to manage the cap. That’s the mgmt job and their tough decisions. And if you’re siding with mgmt that’s fine but not respecting or at least realizing a player attempting to optimize his value is short sighted or small minded in the larger picture with the business of the league. If you don’t like the business of the league, that’s fine.

The players must act in their best interest much like the ownership will act in their best interest. Negotiating should be respected on both sides. Our ownership and mgmt acknowledge and respect the business of the league . Not sure why fans don’t respect it even if you don’t like?

Greg, you're putting words in my mouth. C'mon. I never once suggested a player should take 4 mil instead of 100 mil. Sad that you'd do that to me.

Dak is fighting for more more more. We don't really know where they're at in the negotiations, but if we offered, say, 25-28 mil/year, and Dak is insisting on 40, then it is on Dak. And we do not know.

I respect the hades out of Dak for wanting to make around 30 mil/season. I lose all respect for him if he's insisting on 40.

There's a monster of a difference between negotiating a fair deal for all and insisting on a cap strapping team debilitating number. I'm surprised you don't remember what giving out those contracts did to us. 8-8 and 6-10 ring any bells?

I am all for Dak being rich. There's very little you can do w/ 200 mil that you can't do w/ 150 mil. Want to know what you can do w/ 150 mil that you can't do w/ 200 mil? Win a super bowl. How do I know this? History. (BTW, those amounts are simple examples, not meant to be taken literally.)

 

[kskboys]

It’s true that attempting to maximize contracts and winning championships don’t often align. But that’s not the players responsibility. That’s the mgmt job.

Its why the Cap usually breaks up championship caliber teams. Those tough decisions must be made.

They all don’t need to be made this season though. Only one . The one who’s holding out. The others can actually be put off until next year.

Most analysts including some popular former Cowboys like the Moose last night think this current team can contend for a championship this year. “ one of the most talented Cowboy teams since the 90’s. Have enough talent in key positions and depth to make a run”.

But even the Cowboys greatest Homer , Michael Irvin , doesn’t think they can do it without Elliott this year.

Absolutely.

However, I disagree. It is on the player somewhat. No one is suggesting Dak take some ridiculously low contract as you are intimating. However, several of us think Dak should be making more in the 25-30 mil/year range. Not only would that number be more conducive to winning, it would also make Dak a very rich man. Soooo, what are you saying, that I'm not putting enough "very's" in there? That we're wrong to think Dak should be a very rich man instead of a very very very rich man? Seriously, I don't get why you appear to be so against us rooting to win a super bowl. None of us give a fried bird turd what Dak makes personally. However, we care deeply about overpaying him to the point of not being able to compete for championships.

BTW, I am not on either side. I am a fan, I want to win. And that's the ONLY regard in which I care about what Dak is paid. I really don't comprehend why you're on this high horse and acting as if we don't want Dak to get paid.

 

[Diehardblues]

Greg, you're putting words in my mouth. C'mon. I never once suggested a player should take 4 mil instead of 100 mil. Sad that you'd do that to me.

Dak is fighting for more more more. We don't really know where they're at in the negotiations, but if we offered, say, 25-28 mil/year, and Dak is insisting on 40, then it is on Dak. And we do not know.

I respect the hades out of Dak for wanting to make around 30 mil/season. I lose all respect for him if he's insisting on 40.

There's a monster of a difference between negotiating a fair deal for all and insisting on a cap strapping team debilitating number. I'm surprised you don't remember what giving out those contracts did to us. 8-8 and 6-10 ring any bells?

I am all for Dak being rich. There's very little you can do w/ 200 mil that you can't do w/ 150 mil. Want to know what you can do w/ 150 mil that you can't do w/ 200 mil? Win a super bowl. How do I know this? History. (BTW, those amounts are simple examples, not meant to be taken literally.)

Again, I understand what you’re saying but it’s not the players responsibility to balance the Cap. That’s on the mgmt.

I don’t hold the players in contempt for attempting to optimize their contracts. Of course I agree with your numbers on Dak but I don’t fault him for asking for more than he’s worth. I’d only fault our mgmt for over paying him. I’m playing devils advocate here for the players.

As a fan I can root for keeping everyone and let our mgmt figure it out. And I can critique or applaud the results of those decisions.

But you are suggesting they take less in order to help the team win which my argument is that’s not their job or responsibility. Mgmt has to balance that. And if we can’t justify his contract they should attempt to get it elsewhere. That’s the business of the NFL.

Money is greater than winning and why most players bolt for bigger contracts. “ show me the money” lol

Dak is the one I’d let walk cause he’s definitely not worth too 5 money out of all 3. Cause if you keep him he will need all this Elite supporting cast. But you don’t have let him walk now.

But if you’re going to let Dak and Zeke walk then your basically acknowledging starting over . And why I’d go all in for about 3 years with them. If we don’t make a push for a Super Bowl in next couple years probably not gonna happen. Then you can start over.

 

[Diehardblues]

Absolutely.

However, I disagree. It is on the player somewhat. No one is suggesting Dak take some ridiculously low contract as you are intimating. However, several of us think Dak should be making more in the 25-30 mil/year range. Not only would that number be more conducive to winning, it would also make Dak a very rich man. Soooo, what are you saying, that I'm not putting enough "very's" in there? That we're wrong to think Dak should be a very rich man instead of a very very very rich man? Seriously, I don't get why you appear to be so against us rooting to win a super bowl. None of us give a fried bird turd what Dak makes personally. However, we care deeply about overpaying him to the point of not being able to compete for championships.

BTW, I am not on either side. I am a fan, I want to win. And that's the ONLY regard in which I care about what Dak is paid. I really don't comprehend why you're on this high horse and acting as if we don't want Dak to get paid.

I understand the fans perspective . I’m arguing on the players behalf. Which of course isn’t usually a popular stance but I enjoy taking those type of issues on.

We’re assuming winning is more important than making additional millions. Do I want 25 million which helps us win more or push for 40 million which limits those possibilities. As a player I take the 40 million because I know my career can end on the next play.

And I totally agree Dak isn’t worth what he’s asking. It’s up to mgmt to decide what he’s worth to them and can manage. That’s all part of the business of the NFL.

But for fans to say” they can live or retire on 25 million a year instead of 40” is not for us to decide. Those are obvious observations that most fans can’t really grasp. They see it simply as greed. But yet they don’t have a problem with owners making billions.

 

[IceBowler]

This is professional sports, not combat...I think the stakes are a little bit lower lol.

Agree absolutely, however,the principle remains whether pro sports or combat and the personal character required to adhere to it is lacking. Besides, let's all be perfectly honest here: Whether you're talking $25M or $40M ... BOTH represent generational wealth unless you are STUPID as a rock - in which case, $100M isn't enough.

 

[Jake]

Maxing out contracts keeps teams from winning it all. Trying to get the absolute most you can get and wanting to win do not go together, no matter how much people keep proclaiming that it does.

The Cowboys generated $840 million in revenues last year, and after paying salaries still cleared a $350 million profit.

Trying make a profit that's twice as much as the salary cap and wanting to win do not go together, no matter how much people keep proclaiming it's on the players.

 

[IceBowler]

I love how people think players should work for regular salaries in a business that generated $15 billion last year.

Meanwhile, owners have the cash to throw down $250 million on a boat but the players are "greedy".

I have no problem at all with the owners making ridiculous money. They are, after all, the OWNERS. Here's another perspective to consider:
If the Owners folded up all 32 teams tomorrow ... they'd still be, well, Billionaires. They players conversely would be immediately seeking gainful employment with "University Studies" and Exercise Science degrees ... IF they managed a degree at all.

One other thing - are the Owners performing per the contract the player signed of his own free will? If so, then I believe the player should honor his signature and, even more importantly, his word and handshake. But I come from another time ... before all this went to hell in a hand-basket.

 

[Diehardblues]

I have no problem at all with the owners making ridiculous money. They are, after all, the OWNERS. Here's another perspective to consider:
If the Owners folded up all 32 teams tomorrow ... they'd still be, well, Billionaires. They players conversely would be immediately seeking gainful employment with "University Studies" and Exercise Science degrees ... IF they managed a degree at all.

One other thing - are the Owners performing per the contract the player signed of his own free will? If so, then I believe the player should honor his signature and, even more importantly, his word and handshake. But I come from another time ... before all this went to hell in a hand-basket.

The players are the product. They are the entertainment value. Without the level of talent it’s the USFL, World Football league or XFL.

It’s like if fans didn’t attend a concert or buy a CD all the artist would need to get a real job. Or all the actors would need to get a real job if people stop going to movies.

The NFL is a sports entertainment entity. It’s not just a football league. It became much more than that when the Merger and network TV agreement.

If you want to go back to a time when athletes are just part time employees playing for the passion of the game then we’ll need to take it off the air.

What most fans lose face with it’s a small percentage of players who earn multi millions. The average player only makes about 800 grand a year.

Professional sports is a business like any other entertainment entity. We don’t have an issue with a Rapper or a Rock Star making a hundred million on a tour or an Actor making 25-50 million on a film. Why so much issue with an athlete millions?

 

[IceBowler]

The players are the product. They are the entertainment value. Without the level of talent it’s the USFL, World Football league or XFL.

It’s like if fans didn’t attend a concert or buy a CD all the artist would need to get a real job. Or all the actors would need to get a real job if people stop going to movies.

The NFL is a sports entertainment entity. It’s not just a football league. It became much more than that when the Merger and network TV agreement.

If you want to go back to a time when athletes are just part time employees playing for the passion of the game then we’ll need to take it off the air.

What most fans lose face with it’s a small percentage of players who earn multi millions. The average player only makes about 800 grand a year.

Professional sports is a business like any other entertainment entity. We don’t have an issue with a Rapper or a Rock Star making a hundred million on a tour or an Actor making 25-50 million on a film. Why so much issue with an athlete millions?

You and I are not in opposition. I understand completely what you're saying. I believe it is important, no, critical that a man honor his obligations ... regardless of the circumstances. If we all did that, it'd be a better place. I do. I've taught my children to do so ... and I'm sure it'll cost them in this crooked, selfish world. But there's no price on doing what you say you'll do.

Oh, and if a rapper or actor signs a contract for X and the promoter or producer makes X + a gazillion ... the "product" or "entity" has no claim on the excess unless he negotiated for a piece of the gate.

 

[kskboys]

The Cowboys generated $840 million in revenues last year, and after paying salaries still cleared a $350 million profit.

Trying make a profit that's twice as much as the salary cap and wanting to win do not go together, no matter how much people keep proclaiming it's on the players.

I'm saying apples are green and you're replying scissors.

I'm not proclaiming it's on the players. Never half. My only interest is being able to fit a winning team under the salary cap. On a personal level, I do not care what the players or the owners make. Not relevant to me even a little bit.

I cannot comprehend how your last sentence makes sense.

 

[kskboys]

I understand the fans perspective . I’m arguing on the players behalf. Which of course isn’t usually a popular stance but I enjoy taking those type of issues on.

We’re assuming winning is more important than making additional millions. Do I want 25 million which helps us win more or push for 40 million which limits those possibilities. As a player I take the 40 million because I know my career can end on the next play.

And I totally agree Dak isn’t worth what he’s asking. It’s up to mgmt to decide what he’s worth to them and can manage. That’s all part of the business of the NFL.

But for fans to say” they can live or retire on 25 million a year instead of 40” is not for us to decide. Those are obvious observations that most fans can’t really grasp. They see it simply as greed. But yet they don’t have a problem with owners making billions.

Your amounts are not accurate, unless you're speaking on a per season basis.

I think you have it backwards. If you're worried about a career ending injury, you should take less of a contract but w/ more guaranteed. Which is what I'm promoting.

 

[Diehardblues]

You and I are not in opposition. I understand completely what you're saying. I believe it is important, no, critical that a man honor his obligations ... regardless of the circumstances. If we all did that, it'd be a better place. I do. I've taught my children to do so ... and I'm sure it'll cost them in this crooked, selfish world. But there's no price on doing what you say you'll do.

Oh, and if a rapper or actor signs a contract for X and the promoter or producer makes X + a gazillion ... the "product" or "entity" has no claim on the excess unless he negotiated for a piece of the gate.

Holding out for new contracts is part of the process in the NFL if you’re one of the most Elite.

I’m not sure why we bash players for acting in what they believe is in their best interest?

 

[Diehardblues]

Your amounts are not accurate, unless you're speaking on a per season basis.

I think you have it backwards. If you're worried about a career ending injury, you should take less of a contract but w/ more guaranteed. Which is what I'm promoting.

Yes, per year basis.

We are in agreement on what Dak is worth. My argument is of a more general perspective for players.

 

[Diehardblues]

I'm saying apples are green and you're replying scissors.

I'm not proclaiming it's on the players. Never half. My only interest is being able to fit a winning team under the salary cap. On a personal level, I do not care what the players or the owners make. Not relevant to me even a little bit.

I cannot comprehend how your last sentence makes sense.

I think we can agree how critical managing the Cap is to the team’s success.

My point in all of this is it’s not the responsibility of the players attempting to optimize their value to manage the Cap. That’s on the mgmt and why there are negotiations.

 

[Diehardblues]

I’m beginning to think if we aren’t trying to win now we should let Zeke sit. Then we can see what we have in Dak without the leagues leading rusher. And we’ll know if Dak is worth the 40 million he’s asking for.

 

[kskboys]

I think we can agree how critical managing the Cap is to the team’s success.

My point in all of this is it’s not the responsibility of the players attempting to optimize their value to manage the Cap. That’s on the mgmt and why there are negotiations.

It is on the players to a certain extent, when they are insisting on maxed out contracts.